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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Kingm on Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:57 am

Loose Canon wrote:Good posts by Kong and Rag in my book.

Linking a bit from each of their posts;

I'd particularly like to hear King chime in on where he stands on both Traf and players generally.

What is your read on everyone currently King?


Ok, I guess I can go through my reads on everyone at the moment:

Devante - has almost said nothing, but that's how he has been in the other games I have played/seen too, so no read here yet.
Maxleod - his comment at the end of D1 is like supersus, but if he was scum or 3P would he really say that? so read right now a bit sus, but think he maybe is town?
homer_jay - also very few comments so far, so no read
strike wolf - smells like the arsonist to me lol, is he not the 3P every game? but nah no read here either
Trafalgarlaw01 - I read the last couple of post, and yeah its a bit sus, but really not sure how you guys get scum from it, I would this if anything he would be the 3P, but then again, I really do not think he would post that comment if he was the 3P, so yeah a bit sus, but I'm at least not ready to jump on the bandwagon.
Kongming3 - reads town
Ragian - reads town
Charle - for some reason I'm a bit sus here, feels like he is playing different then in the other games I have played/seen with him, but just a bit sus nothing more yet.
Loose Canon - reads town
JFM10 - been a bit quiet, but town read so far

So the active dudes read town to me, since they at least to me appear to be trying to help, but I'm almost sure one of those I see read town is scum, but then again maybe not.

And regarding to EW being killed, I saw that come a mile away, because of that post he had D1 where he pointed to me and said that I probably was scum if he died etc., I still do not get why he did that, and I also do not understand why not the doc or jailkeeper protected EW, but like I also said D1, maybe there is something I do not get, like at least to me it was obv. that EW would be targeted, and then I would be blamed for it.

So this is my first thoughts and "reads", and what I would not give to be able to "read players" as well on Mafia as on CC, oh well, maybe it will come with experience.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Ragian on Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:35 am

I think it's hard to read anything into scum killing EW. He's a good player and it makes sense to get rid of good players.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby strike wolf on Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:39 am

Since some people don't seem to be familiar with arsonist. There's 5 basic common variations of killing roles. There's the standard night kill were all familiar with, there's the defensive night kill where someone kills the person visiting them, there's day kills which act the same.as night kills but can happen any time turning the day, there's the poisoner who poisons a player so that they die the following night and finally there's the arsonist who as mention primes players every night and thennselects when to kill them. Kong is correct that the optimal play is generally to prime as many as possible and then ignite them late in the game when it is most likely to give them the win. Losing tne fire fighter is big.

So where do we stand. Traf makes a stupid, somewhat suspicious statement. Max made a weird role comment yesterday. Many people seem to dismiss this as not scummy because why would scum not at least try to put in a fake claim and while normally I think thats valid. This is Max who seems fo just say stuff sometimes. So I don't really feel that proves he's not scum.

I agree with King on Kong. While I would caution that Kong is a capable player and we shouldn't definitively dismiss the possibility that he's Scum without better proof but his posts have read town so far. Rag, I am more neutral on. He's been active and hasn't set off any real red flags for me but I even if a bit facetious, he has to know that asking Traf if he's the arsonist is a pretty ineffective question.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Ragian on Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:56 pm

Oh, come on, Strike. You know perfectly well that it was never going to be a standalone question.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby TrafalgarLaw01 on Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:01 pm

Well I didn't really knew how the arsonist work, specially cause in my setting there was a pyromaniac, that didn't work anything remotely tho this one. So I just thought they worked the way it did on my set up. I am really not related to lot's of the roles in mafia, as I mainly had only played the werewolf version. So yes i can see how my comments looked stupid enough. Although I was just trying to figure some info which apparently I did not
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Loose Canon on Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:26 pm

strike wolf wrote:Since some people don't seem to be familiar with arsonist. There's 5 basic common variations of killing roles. There's the standard night kill were all familiar with, there's the defensive night kill where someone kills the person visiting them, there's day kills which act the same.as night kills but can happen any time turning the day, there's the poisoner who poisons a player so that they die the following night and finally there's the arsonist who as mention primes players every night and thennselects when to kill them. Kong is correct that the optimal play is generally to prime as many as possible and then ignite them late in the game when it is most likely to give them the win. Losing tne fire fighter is big.

So where do we stand. Traf makes a stupid, somewhat suspicious statement. Max made a weird role comment yesterday. Many people seem to dismiss this as not scummy because why would scum not at least try to put in a fake claim and while normally I think thats valid. This is Max who seems fo just say stuff sometimes. So I don't really feel that proves he's not scum.

I agree with King on Kong. While I would caution that Kong is a capable player and we shouldn't definitively dismiss the possibility that he's Scum without better proof but his posts have read town so far. Rag, I am more neutral on. He's been active and hasn't set off any real red flags for me but I even if a bit facetious, he has to know that asking Traf if he's the arsonist is a pretty ineffective question.


FOS on strike for that.
Reasoning is townies may not be agreeing with each other on everything, particularly best way to play but we are I think working out who the other townies are so the mafia are narrowing down by process of elimination.
If so mafia will run doubt on towniness of townies at this point.
Strike has just done that on max and Kong, and said neutral on rag.
Mafia is what mafia would do at certain points, and I think the above for strike was a certain point.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby homer_jay on Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:59 pm

i also thought Traf's comment about the arsonist was strange. it could just be an unfamiliarity with it, but i was unfamiliar as well so looked it up to find out how it works. and of course, because i'm not around as much as some of you, others jumped on it before me for the same reasons.

Vote Traf

like Strike Wolf said.. "a stupid, somewhat suspicious statement". whether it's suspicious or stupid, either way, sets him up as a good potential target
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Re: D1 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby jfm10 on Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:01 pm

Ragian wrote:I think it a bit more weird that jfm pounces on that. Noted.


I just have a bad vibe on Max this game and I believe his partner isn't well played enough to help him.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby SoN!c on Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:23 am

Official vote count


Traf (3): Loose canon, Kongming, homer_jay
Max (1): jfm10

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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Ragian on Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:31 am

@jfm, is it "just" him saying that he doesn't have a role?
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Charle on Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:25 am

Where is Devante?
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Loose Canon on Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:01 am

Charle where are you on;
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Strike
Lynching D2
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Devante on Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:52 am

RL is a bit of a mess right now time is short. I'm not a fan of Traf's post either but with vote count as it is don't feel like hammering further makes sense unless we reach a general consensus. Max and King still also hold the most suspect to me as of right now.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Ragian on Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:59 pm

Right. What do you say, D1 no lynchers? Do we lynch D2?
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Devante on Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:18 pm

Don't think it benefits town if we don't lynch. Essentially sit back and let scum dictate how things go in my opinion. Just want to make sure we have a consensus on who to lynch rather then everyone randomly choosing someone
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Kingm on Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:24 pm

Ragian wrote:Right. What do you say, D1 no lynchers? Do we lynch D2?


I also think we have to lynch D2, there has not been much activity the last day, so not much have changed.

But I will put in a vote now, so maybe we can get an answer from Max what his comment at the end of D1 meant.

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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby SoN!c on Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:26 pm

Official vote count

Traf (3) : Loose canon, Kongming, homer_jay
Max (2) : jfm10, Kingm


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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby jfm10 on Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:35 pm

Ragian wrote:@jfm, is it "just" him saying that he doesn't have a role?


He responded early in the game to me giving me a vibe as he would have been close to last even chatting.
I took it as he had a role as opposed to just vanilla so he was more interested this game. Then he became the usual silent Max until he blurted that out. It just doesn't sit right with me.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Ragian on Fri Apr 18, 2025 2:52 am

Fair deal, jfm. I see your points.

And regarding a D2 lynch. Any lynch is a consensus given that it requires a majority. If it feels random, you shouldn't vote. Instead you should question the voters and their reasons. I just don't see what's different from a D1 lynch at the moment.

- Traf has shared his ignorance (whether genuine or diabolical)
- Max is always on the chopping board due to lack of participation and some inconsistencies cf. jfm's points
- homer's vote on Traf has me raising an eyebrow as it's a safe vote in that it neither instigates any train nor puts Traf in immediate lynch danger
- I'm slightly suspicious of Strike and Charle for emitting a different vibe than usual
- I'm neutral on king, kong, and devante
- Loose and jfm seem town to me

And then FYI, I'm going on a ten day biking holiday. I don't think it'll hurt my level of participation, but it'll be via mobile, so the quoting, the memes, and the gifs might be uncharacteristically low on my part.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Loose Canon on Fri Apr 18, 2025 3:23 am

I've got a theory on Max.

Votes Kong with his confirmation post
On the possible 3P traitor quotes Sonic and says the way he reads it there may or may be a traitor nothing else
Then says I don't know my exact role yet except that I'm town

I think he might be a copycat (possibly of Kong) who learns/takes on the alignment and abilities of whoever he copied from D2/N2 onwards.

Max - do you know your exact role now?
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby SoN!c on Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:56 am

Loose Canon wrote:I've got a theory on Max.

Votes Kong with his confirmation post
On the possible 3P traitor quotes Sonic and says the way he reads it there may or may be a traitor nothing else
Then says I don't know my exact role yet except that I'm town

I think he might be a copycat (possibly of Kong) who learns/takes on the alignment and abilities of whoever he copied from D2/N2 onwards.

Max - do you know your exact role now?


MOD CONFIRMATION to stay in the realm and flavour of the game set-up. There is no such thing as a "Town Multitasking Copycat" or a "Malicious Mafia Copycat" or whatever "Alien 3P copycat lifeform" ingame.

Setup
2 Mafia Goon with altered Role Modifications for balance (the intro could give away some hints or clues)
1 possible Mafia Traitor
8 Town 7 town
1 3P (arsonist)

with Mod promise that only Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter, Roleblocker and some hidden scum powers are in the game (again, all with altered Soft Role Modifications for balance, the 3P not included)


So any current town role is some sort of Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter or Roleblocker (or these roles combined in 1 or 2 shot actions, again: most town roles are Soft Role altered for balance) and many townies are just vanilla.
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Re: The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby jfm10 on Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:26 am

Maxleod wrote:
jfm10 wrote:
SoN!c wrote:ALL ROLES SENDED OUT! PUT ON YOUR HATS BOYS, IT'S MAFIA TIME!


Setup
2 Mafia Goon with altered Role Modifications for balance (the intro could give away some hints or clues on the matter like the "You need to control. Because you know the game surprises you" quote)
1 possible Mafia Traitor
8 Town
1 3P

with Mod promise that only Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter, Roleblocker and some hidden scum powers are in the game (again, all with altered Soft Role Modifications for balance, the 3P not included)

The Mafia is composed of "Mad Vincent Vega Vengeful" and Don Giovanni “Big Tuna” Gambino!

Mechanics
Day start
Role Modifications


According to mafia game roles , the Traitor is an assigned role. Would it be safe to assume that this game Mafia can choose any of us to be a potential Traitor?


The way I read it is that there may or may not be a traitor, nothing else...


I am now convinced that Max is the Mafia Traitor.
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby homer_jay on Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:04 am

Ragian wrote:Fair deal, jfm. I see your points.

And regarding a D2 lynch. Any lynch is a consensus given that it requires a majority. If it feels random, you shouldn't vote. Instead you should question the voters and their reasons. I just don't see what's different from a D1 lynch at the moment.

- Traf has shared his ignorance (whether genuine or diabolical)
- Max is always on the chopping board due to lack of participation and some inconsistencies cf. jfm's points
- homer's vote on Traf has me raising an eyebrow as it's a safe vote in that it neither instigates any train nor puts Traf in immediate lynch danger
- I'm slightly suspicious of Strike and Charle for emitting a different vibe than usual
- I'm neutral on king, kong, and devante
- Loose and jfm seem town to me

And then FYI, I'm going on a ten day biking holiday. I don't think it'll hurt my level of participation, but it'll be via mobile, so the quoting, the memes, and the gifs might be uncharacteristically low on my part.



by this logic (homer's vote on Traf has me raising an eyebrow as it's a safe vote in that it neither instigates any train nor puts Traf in immediate lynch danger ) if we need 6 votes to lynch, anybody casting votes 2-4 is suspicious?
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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby SoN!c on Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:11 pm

For those who didn't get it:

8 Town 7 town

With 11 alive it takes (on D2) 6 to lynch..


D3 onwards the one with most votes will be lynched but the time (to lynch on D2) is now ! If a town majority of 6 (with 7 sure townies) can be reached!

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Re: D2 of The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

Postby Loose Canon on Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:30 pm

Max do you know your exact role now?
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