[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 2

[SoN!c]

If you are in jail nothing can get to you unless some very special PR.

If the mafia has for example a "Strongman" (a special killing ability that pierces all protection), they can kill that target when jailed.

Otherwise, standard rules = jailed = 100% safe from death that night.

[chanakam2020]

Quick Question.
If Jail Keeper is killed then the one who inside jail remain to inside and protected from outside actions ?
Or
Onece Jail Keeper died the one who inside jail escaped ?

Think of the jailkeeper (JK) exactly as the person who sends somebody to jail.

That jailing does two things at once:

Protects the target from being killed that night (like a Doctor).

Blocks the target from using any night actions (like a Roleblocker).

Because you have to imagine if your the JK target you find yourself locked in jail so nobody else can visit and harm you, but you can't go out and visit anybody either being locked up.

Nop this is not the thing I am asking
Say Darin jailed Halrob and locked
But then Darin Was killed.
Then the jail is locked or unlocked ?
After Darin was killed can someone visit Halrob Who is in Jail ?

Think of it this way: if the jailkeeper is killed then whoever he jailed is set free because there is nobody left to keep him in jail.

That way you also understand best why the JK can never self target (lock himself up).

Ah Ok. I asked it because I am thinking about that Ragian is jailed locked in and after Darin put Ragian in to Jail Darin was killed and the Jail is still locked so that Ragian cannot come outside jail becuase threre is nobody to open the jail door and Ragian is in Jail even now at day time.
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I thought about that possibility because Ragian who usually active in posting has not made any reply on D-2 yet.
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[SoN!c]

Quick Question.
If Jail Keeper is killed then the one who inside jail remain to inside and protected from outside actions ?
Or
Onece Jail Keeper died the one who inside jail escaped ?

Think of the jailkeeper (JK) exactly as the person who sends somebody to jail.

That jailing does two things at once:

Protects the target from being killed that night (like a Doctor).

Blocks the target from using any night actions (like a Roleblocker).

Because you have to imagine if your the JK target you find yourself locked in jail so nobody else can visit and harm you, but you can't go out and visit anybody either being locked up.

Nop this is not the thing I am asking
Say Darin jailed Halrob and locked
But then Darin Was killed.
Then the jail is locked or unlocked ?
After Darin was killed can someone visit Halrob Who is in Jail ?

Think of it this way: if the jailkeeper is killed then whoever he jailed is set free because there is nobody left to keep him in jail.

That way you also understand best why the JK can never self target (lock himself up).

Ah Ok. I asked it because I am thinking about that Ragian is jailed locked in and after Darin put Ragian in to Jail Darin was killed and the Jail is still locked so that Ragian cannot come outside jail becuase threre is nobody to open the jail door and Ragian is in Jail even now at day time.
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I thought about that possibility because Ragian who usually active in posting has not made any reply on D-2 yet.
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No im waiting on Ragian and especially Kingm (DDS) myself.

But understanding the JK is very important right now because next to being a doc and roleblocker it's also a semi-cop. If the JK locks somebody up the target can't kill anymore.. So a 3P SK (lone wolf) would instantly be busted. Basically it says IF Darin jailed Ragian then Ragian is not the SK (because we had 2 kills overnight) IF there is a 3P lone wolf SK.

Might seem farfetched explaining this way to why its important but i was thinking Ragian to be 3P SK D1.

Still wanna hear Halrob first on his "higher authorities" claim. Only Darin would explain that to me.

[halrob64]

The only way an investigation can be blocked is from an authority above my status, so the question is, why was my request to investigate Ragian blocked.
He is either an important town official who must remain incognito or he is a high ranking mafia or the assassin.
I was called out for being silent at the beginning, I was forced to reveal my status so it stands to reason we need to hear from Ragian and for him to come clean

[hjelp]

A JK can block your abilities if you (and anyone else for that matter) were to put into jail. Therefore JK can be considered as high-authority.

[hjelp]

@ Halrob

I would like you to answer if anyone paid a visit to you during the night?
- Since EW claimed you had a visit.

[halrob64]

EW is lying, no one visited me in the night

[halrob64]

I was not in jail though I was free to roam

[chanakam2020]

@Halrob64

Can you tell us why you decided to investigate Ragian ?
Is it just random pick
Or
did you have some reason to investigate Ragian out of all 12 of us ?

[halrob64]

It was a hunch, he was keen to call me out and to divulge my role in the town, also he diverted attention from himself by summarising other members of the group, I can only investigate one person at a time, you were high on my list Chan but in the end I moved on Ragian.
Regardless of where his allegiance lies its significant that my questions were blocked.
If I survive D2 then others will come under the microscope. Obviously anyone calling for my lynching will have to be suspect of being Mafia as already we have lost the jailer and one townie.

[Extreme Ways]

It was a hunch, he was keen to call me out and to divulge my role in the town, also he diverted attention from himself by summarising other members of the group, I can only investigate one person at a time, you were high on my list Chan but in the end I moved on Ragian.
Regardless of where his allegiance lies its significant that my questions were blocked.
If I survive D2 then others will come under the microscope. Obviously anyone calling for my lynching will have to be suspect of being Mafia as already we have lost the jailer and one townie.

If you are a town cop, why does it matter who your target is for whether you will be blocked or not?

[Extreme Ways]

I was not in jail though I was free to roam

You cannot know that

EW is lying, no one visited me in the night

And you also cannot know that.

People dont know whether they are visited or not during the night.

[SoN!c]

@Halrob: could you tell us the exact message like
you got it from Charle (about your N1 investigation result)? Like a copy paste. It would help a lot thx.

@kingm: chatroom and gamelogs say you are here..06/09/2025 14:29:29 * Kingm joins Social ... so are you waiting to let things cool down and blow over first before you apppear in here to say something without much actual effort to solve ? Or are you still busy ditching the murder weapon and washing off all that blood?

The inconsinstencies DDS had are also seemingly contagious but in a inverted way. DDS said he had no time to be in here but he was browsing big time.. You said you would be very active this time but your staying silent as hell here.

And since chances are big we have an SK on our hands who probably wants to coast along as long as possible (since their wincon is just surviving to endgame), we should look closely at people who are just coasting without actually doing any scumhunting...like someone who’s trying hard just to blend in and avoid any heat. Do you know anybody like that in here?

[Extreme Ways]

@Halrob: could you tell us the exact message like
you got it from Charle (about your N1 investigation result)? Like a copy paste. It would help a lot thx.

@kingm: chatroom and gamelogs say you are here..06/09/2025 14:29:29 * Kingm joins Social ... so are you waiting to let things cool down and blow over first before you apppear in here to say something without much actual effort to solve ? Or are you still busy ditching the murder weapon and washing off all that blood?

The inconsinstencies DDS had are also seemingly contagious but in a inverted way. DDS said he had no time to be in here but he was browsing big time.. You said you would be very active this time but your staying silent as hell here.

And since chances are big we have an SK on our hands who probably wants to coast along as long as possible (since their wincon is just surviving to endgame), we should look closely at people who are just coasting without actually doing any scumhunting...like someone who’s trying hard just to blend in and avoid any heat. Do you know anybody like that in here?

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[SoN!c]

I agree its not allowed on role descriptions. Surely not on investigation outcomes.. after all if it was you would never be allowed to share any investigation results.

Just wanna know if Charle mentioned anything about "higher authority" and if he used that wording or something else but similar. Hallrob seems to be spinning around it. And assumptions is the MOAFU.

[Extreme Ways]

I agree its not allowed on role descriptions. Surely not on investigation outcomes.. after all if it was you would never be allowed to share any investigation results.

Just wanna know if Charle mentioned anything about "higher authority" and if he used that wording or something else but similar. Hallrob seems to be spinning around it. And assumptions is the MOAFU.

You can paraphrase, but not quote.

[Loose Canon]

What is MOAFU?

I'm not comfortable with what Halrob has said or the way he has said what he has said, and I was glad Extreme called out what he couldn't possibly have known.
I'm not comfortable with other things Extreme has said though.

On KingM particularly his needing to reread (towards end of D1)
I'm thinking that was added as a give me a clean slate plea but King felt he couldn't ask for a clean slate so asked for time instead.
I'm suspicious - I think like others - of Kingm.

With hesitation - more because this might divert from other plays in hand than anything else.
Vote Kingm

[SoN!c]

Mother Of All f*ck Ups

I think we need Kingm to claim today for sure.

So vote Kingm

@Kingm: you don't have to wait on L-2. Im pretty sure you know why the FoS is on you and why you need to claim today.

[Ragian]

Wow...a lot of ignorant stuff has been said about a lot stuff the last two and a half pages

First, I'd ask Charle to change the headline of the thread, so it's evident that D2 has started, please <3

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Game wise there's a lot to unpack:

First, we have EW's blatant attempt at rolefishing. Even if grounded in his own powers, of which we know nothing, even he must assume that neither Son!c nor I will claim out of the blue.

Second, and this is very important. Please read this carefully. Especially halrob. We have PROOF that a jailkeeper was in play. A jailkeeper protects and roleblocks. This means that if Darin protected halrob, which, despite what some distortion speakers are yelping, is most logical given Darin's level of experience and the fact that we only had one claim, which is the unopposed cop, halrob would have been unable to perform his action. This has nothing to do with "higher powers". It's merely the nature of that protective/blocking role.

Adding to that, I saw EW maintain that a jailkeeper dies upon protection, which is absolutely wrong. A bodyguard dies if the one they're protecting is targeted for a kill, but not a jailkeeper. All jailkeeper simply foils the attempt.

Third, several people, starting with Loose, are suggesting all sorts of things in order to dirty the good name Ragian. I mean, saying that he thinks that I would think that Kong was the most dangerous town is some next level out of your arse hypotheses and hypotheticals. Similarly, Son!c states that he has thought throughout D1 that I'm a serial killer. I get that I won - or rather that Traf handed my victory - as serial killer, but seriously. This is either butthurt from being top of my scum list or unfounded paranoia.

Fourth, the scene is as minimalist as can be. Usually, clues in ways of death would hint to factions and/or the existence of a serial killer. We have no indications whatsoever, so for a group that keeps saying you want to rely on facts, you're awfully quick at creating narratives out of thin air.

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Brief summary: Everyone should read the role of jailkeeper and join me on the barge of logic sailing inquisitively through town. Moreover, EW, Loose, and Son!c should please explain why they're either throwing shade at me or (deliberately? ) misrepresenting a well-known role.

[Extreme Ways]

Adding to that, I saw EW maintain that a jailkeeper dies upon protection, which is absolutely wrong. A bodyguard dies if the one they're protecting is targeted for a kill, but not a jailkeeper. All jailkeeper simply foils the attempt.

Where, please?

I am rolefishing because I know one between the two of you visited Halrob and it's about 50/50 whether it's protective or roleblocking for me.

[Extreme Ways]

I was unfortunately not drunk yesterday. I do have some info on what happened during the night, which is why I went rolefishing.

In my head, there's a couple hypothetical scenarios that I havent unpacked yet:
- We have multiple investigative roles
- We have multiple protective roles

We have 1 cop claim, and 1 protective death (jailkeeper). Games tend to run on a bit of a higher level, and I think Darin knew well enough that protecting Halrob isn't worth the tradeoff since we can't confirm claim.

I am an investigative role of some sort. I have information on someone having visited Halrob. I'm curious if that person who I will not yet name but have named two people for (Ragian/Sonic) is a protective role, or a mafia roleblocker role.

Rag, I skimmed my own posts for you. Nothing in this section says that JK dies upon succesfully protecting. I just mentioned the tradeoff that protecting someone also blocks them. I did miss a word in the quote, that being "power". Games tend to run on a bit of a higher power level.

[SoN!c]

I was unfortunately not drunk yesterday. I do have some info on what happened during the night, which is why I went rolefishing.

In my head, there's a couple hypothetical scenarios that I havent unpacked yet:
- We have multiple investigative roles
- We have multiple protective roles

We have 1 cop claim, and 1 protective death (jailkeeper). Games tend to run on a bit of a higher level, and I think Darin knew well enough that protecting Halrob isn't worth the tradeoff since we can't confirm claim.

I am an investigative role of some sort. I have information on someone having visited Halrob. I'm curious if that person who I will not yet name but have named two people for (Ragian/Sonic) is a protective role, or a mafia roleblocker role.

Rag, I skimmed my own posts for you. Nothing in this section says that JK dies upon succesfully protecting. I just mentioned the tradeoff that protecting someone also blocks them. I did miss a word in the quote, that being "power". Games tend to run on a bit of a higher power level.

"There was a jailkeeper deah. Usually a jailkeeper protects but also dies."

One of your "non drunken" ramblings like getting the quote brackets wrong inserting half a game number bracket in it!.. if you want i will post that half game number bracket here too. Im still wondering how you'd managed to do that IF not drunk

[Extreme Ways]

I was unfortunately not drunk yesterday. I do have some info on what happened during the night, which is why I went rolefishing.

In my head, there's a couple hypothetical scenarios that I havent unpacked yet:
- We have multiple investigative roles
- We have multiple protective roles

We have 1 cop claim, and 1 protective death (jailkeeper). Games tend to run on a bit of a higher level, and I think Darin knew well enough that protecting Halrob isn't worth the tradeoff since we can't confirm claim.

I am an investigative role of some sort. I have information on someone having visited Halrob. I'm curious if that person who I will not yet name but have named two people for (Ragian/Sonic) is a protective role, or a mafia roleblocker role.

Rag, I skimmed my own posts for you. Nothing in this section says that JK dies upon succesfully protecting. I just mentioned the tradeoff that protecting someone also blocks them. I did miss a word in the quote, that being "power". Games tend to run on a bit of a higher power level.

"There was a jailkeeper deah. Usually a jailkeeper protects but also dies."

One of your "non drunken" ramblings like getting the quote brackets wrong inserting half a game number bracket in it!.. if you want i will post that half game number bracket here too. Im still wondering how you'd managed to do that IF not drunk

TIpsy, not drunk!

But yeah, I meant roleblocks. Oops.

Still a bit psyched out that Rag shades me for that, then. Maybe he knows I'm onto him?

[hjelp]

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I am an investigative role of some sort. I have information on someone having visited Halrob. I'm curious if that person who I will not yet name but have named two people for (Ragian/Sonic) is a protective role, or a mafia roleblocker role.

It might be that EW belongs to town and if so - maybe it's not what it looks like.