[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 2

[Loose Canon]

Okay so back from the wedding and then ended up in hospital, nothing serious but I have ridiculously large swelling on my face. Apparently the soloution to my problem according to the best medical advice I could get on a townsperson salary is to suck on a lemon. Who would of thought it.

I did have some time free on Sunday to study the chat but feeling a bit lost I decided start from "Game On" and create my own log blanking out all the nonsense stuff that had no relevance to the game. The problem is that was taking far too long (I mean hours and hours).

So I'm going to agree that we need a lynch of some sort before nightfall. I'm gonna go in the direction I already see this going so

unvote no lynch

vote Raigan

No.

Look at the evidence on extreme not who has triggered you the wrong way, and follow the crowd is a cop out.
If you want to go for rags say why to his face and let him respond to why you specifically have had your suspicions triggered by him.

Fpd by Devon.
Seems Devon you are calling max out for what I am calling you out on now.
I do agree max deserves more calling out than you do but it's a matter of degree.

[Devon99]

Well I had a reason of some sorts, you picked up two votes very quickly and EW dropped votes so I reckoned that made you the vote leader and new target for town. It might not be a great reason but it is a reason.

[Loose Canon]

Thank you Devon, don't agree this is in any way the right play, but the reasoning is consistent with reasoning coming from an honest place.

It's the play of rag and sonic I've got more of a bone to pick with.

[Extreme Ways]

Extreme, you claim it was by chance that you put rag in the mix with sonic.
Putting sonic in the mix in the first place was more likely if you'd been watching who visited Halrob than if you'd been tracking sonic.
Then putting ragian in the mix randomly which would have been 1 in 10.
Sure looks like nefarious knowledge which you didn't think would be called out came into play.

You are asking the rest, with me as an outside possibility of convincing to allow ourselves to think you might be a shining light.

I'd expect a legacy thinking from a town extreme on the verge of being mislynched.
You are not yet on the verge though heaven knows you should be and you know that too - whether 95% mafia extreme or 5% town extreme

What on earth was going through your mind D2?
Call this question as partly a chance to appeal to town and partly an episode one of a two episode series before being lynched.

Fpd multiple times

I am not on the verge of being mislynched, but yes if somehow this town decides that limming a claimed investigative is the play - then go ahead. When for all intents and purposes the other claimed investigative gets next to no scrutiny for saying the thing every scum would also say in their position: being roleblocked. It's also one in 9, not one in 10, and I thought all other townies would be vanilla.

Loose, I want you to look at my actions in conjunction with your own worldview. You wrote "40% Halrob Sonic 30% Rag 30%".
40% Halrob can never be the case. If I am mafia according to you, then the other claimed investigative is always clear. We will not have a town with 0 investigatives, and if there was another one he wouldve come forward by now.

Going from that assumption, you are looking at town!Halrob and Mafia!EW. Mafia!EW knows Mafia roleblocked Halrob. If Mafia EW is a watcher, then he knows Sonic, Rag and perhaps even the jailkeeper targeted Halrob. Mafia!EW has no reason to play the way they did: I could just not out my info and share it with my wolfmates. We play around them in thread, making sure to townread them hoping that they townread us back by being nice to them. We agree with their arguments. By claiming a power role, I am now on a timer. Both serial killer and the mafia should be aiming to kill the power role, so if I survive one or two nights... I have absolutely no reason to be alive and I should be lynched by virtue of overstaying my claim.

Pairing me with one of Rag/Sonic parrots these same talking points: both Rag and Sonic are now on a timer, they aren't allowed to overstay their roleclaim. So, fmpov, Mafia Watcher EW cannot exist logically and if it does, it's Mafia EW with v!Sonic v!Ragian v!Halrob.

And now I ask you a question to think about: if you were town tracker tracking Sonic to Halrob, how would you share this info with thread knowing that Halrob claims to have been roleblocked, and a jailkeeper flip?

There are things to consider in this situation, which I considered.
1) Jailkeeper jailkept Halrob. Not a play I would have made as JK, but not a play that should be dismissed.
2) Doc protected Halrob. This is not a given because Doc could have gone for a bluff, especially if they turn out to be non-consecutive, but it's still very likely.
3) Mafia roleblocked Halrob. Even if Jailkeeper jailkept halrob, Mafia - if they have a roleblocker - should absolutely have roleblocked Halrob.

You can argue that Tracker + Jailkeeper + Cop means that we wont have a Doc at all. You can argue that the person you tracked is just a Doc because Jailkeeper is not just a defensive role, but also an offensive role. This is why I went conservative with outing my information. I shared that someone visited Halrob, that I knew which of the two between Rag and Sonic it was but not divulging it yet.

How do the other players, not just Sonic and Rag, react to this info? Do I sense that wolfmates are defending a wolf? Does Sonic feel caught to me? I didnt say "this person is the mafia roleblocker". If I want to be agenda'd as f*ck, I can just say "Sonic visited Halrob, he's a mafia roleblocker" and go "nah, we don't have a Doc when we also have a tracker, a cop, and a jailkeeper". When I turn out to be wrong, I can blame Charle's inexperience with hosting.

Given that imo it's clear that I am unpartnered with all of Sonic, Ragian and Halrob: how in any way is this a reasonable mafia play to make?

You (plural) can't go "EW is a mastermind and didnt expect to be called out/caught on this brazen wolf play" whilst dismissing that from a wolf perspective, the play is very very very suboptimal.

[Extreme Ways]

Oh whilst we are on partnering duties:

Sonic/Rag are obviously different alignments.
Sonic/Loose are never wolf/wolf. Sonic feels like he's enabling Loose, and I still think Loose is town.

[Loose Canon]

Rag sonic, if either of you think for one moment that a mislynch on you today will lead to a correct lynch on the other tomorrow, you should count me out of your equation of numbers who will vote the other tomorrow.
My vote is very likely to be on extreme tomorrow if I survive tonight and extreme isn't lynched today.

2 out of extreme, rag, sonic, halrob are likely mafia and the odds on extreme are too high.

From your individual perspectives if you are town and you put Halrob as 10% mafia I get it you rag and you sonic would put the other at 90%.
And with the arguments and suspicions between you you may each be going higher than 90%?

Don't forget halrob making a claim was virtually forced, and both he and extreme joined the game late.
In the circumstances a claim to elicit a town cop counterclaim may well have seemed a best trade possible action suggested by a mafia extreme, and I maintain it's 90%+ extreme is mafia.

It'd have had particular appeal if Halrob was mafia cop.

The other thing is Halrob claims he got no result, and didn't he claim he tried to investigate rags?

So add to the 90% suspicion on extreme and add the Halrob blocked investigation on rags, come on Halrob has to be suspected more than you two are suspecting him.

Fpd at length by extreme will read it extreme

[Loose Canon]

Oh whilst we are on partnering duties:

Sonic/Rag are obviously different alignments.
Sonic/Loose are never wolf/wolf. Sonic feels like he's enabling Loose, and I still think Loose is town.

First of all NO sonic and rag are not obviously different alignments.
They are suspicious of each other and you are encouraging this, and more to the point encouraging others to think they are different alignments

[Loose Canon]

Extreme, In my post I explained why I wasn't putting Halrob as town.

Moreover I was explaining to rag and sonic why I wasn't putting Halrob as town and put him at 40% mafia.

Being interrupted by wife.

[hjelp]

I will hold on to my list now since there are more players joining to vote.

Anyhow I will now present my list. In order to lynch.

Ragian
Kingm
EW

Vote Ragian

Ragian and Kingm (DDS) as before and EW since I earlier stated

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I am an investigative role of some sort. I have information on someone having visited Halrob. I'm curious if that person who I will not yet name but have named two people for (Ragian/Sonic) is a protective role, or a mafia roleblocker role.

It might be that EW belongs to town and if so - maybe it's not what it looks like.

There are roles Tracker and Scout.
There are role Werewolf (failed or not).
There are role Traitor.

Ragian and EW are strongly connected and I think they co-play since

Declining to answer this for now, will answer it in the future.

Well, if we can do it this way, then by all means, I'll answer the same.

Do you need me to tell thread what you did last night?

Declining to answer this for now, will answer it in the future.

Well, if we can do it this way, then by all means, I'll answer the same.

Do you need me to tell thread what you did last night?

You, of all people, should sense the damn tone.

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For the record, I didn't track Ragian anywhere. It kinda felt like he was playing chicken though, because I have faked a result in the past. Claiming Doc would be disastrous because the actual Doc would counterclaim. It was very easy to say "I didn't visit Halrob", but Rag wanted me to be upfront and just accuse him instead I guess?

And I also think this is sound

Also if Halrob is scum, then Ragian is 100% town
If Ragian is scum, then Halrob is 100% town.

But this is one-way, if Ragian is town that does not mean Halrob being scum and Halrob being town does not necessarily mean Ragian is scum.

Vote Ragian

[hjelp]

And I think that Ragian is scum, and Halrob is 100% town.

[Loose Canon]

Going back to extremes long post.

There's no assumption Halrob is town, and with that goes the assumption he was role locked at all

[Loose Canon]

Rag and sonic are only on a timer because they choose to put each other there encouraged in no small part by extreme.

[Loose Canon]

As town tracker I would either just probe sonic and probably wait and see till a period into the day, and maybe not say anything till day2.
I wouldn't have brought a dummy on rag into the mix necessarily.
Looks like framing rag and giving credence to halrob

[hjelp]

Going back to extremes long post.

There's no assumption Halrob is town, and with that goes the assumption he was role locked at all

My guess is that Halrob himself is assuming being Town Cop and also role locked trying to investigate Ragian.

Halrob however should say what he claims to have done.

What is that supposed to mean? I just explained what I have done, I tried to investigate Ragian and I have been stopped from doing so. Take your head out your arse about me. I am the town cop now why don't you start asking Ragian what his real story is?

[Loose Canon]

Extreme asks how do other players react to info.

Clearly as extreme wants them to.
Ignoring or too tired to consider the as obvious as night follows day evidence that extreme is guilty.
But playing a blinder in more ways than one.

[Loose Canon]

And remember town I am vanilla town, only interested in finding the truth and doing what I can to help town win.

[Extreme Ways]

Going back to extremes long post.

There's no assumption Halrob is town, and with that goes the assumption he was role locked at all

If you have me as mafia halrob should be town for you.

If you dont have me as mafia then halrob is up in the air.

I dont think town has 3 protectives, so unless Rag claims something other than a protective role I find them both being town highly unlikely. But yeah, I guess it's not a given considering that with scum!halrob it is theoretically possible.

FP'd by Loose:
clearly if I am mafia here people arent reacting like I want them to. I feel like my wall towncased me pretty well.

[Loose Canon]

Really wish Kong was still alive.
That s why he isn't

Over and out

[Ragian]

I honestly can't believe that not one of you [insert derogative] is able to see through Son!c's BS. I'm town doc and Son!c is defo scum.

No way, there are three protective roles. Anyway, vote me now and vote Son!c out tomorrow.

I see Loose is slipping. Might he be Son!c's partner? I didn't think so at first, but he might well be. I thought it was Max. That is my best bet
However, four or five players haven't been active enough to be read.

I'm off. Good luck, town.

[Loose Canon]

FFS unvoted yourself if you haven't rag.

Here is my legacy if rag is mislynched and I'm killed night 2.

1 lynch extreme tomorrow
2 consider very closely Halrob day3
3 after extreme and Halrob have an eye on Devante
His what if you're wrong question too me was very similar to what extreme asked me in a previous game. Remember mafia chat with each other.

[Loose Canon]

Actually since rag has claimed town doc, sonic you must take your vote off rag asap unless you are going to counterclaim exactly that role.

Other town voting rag should unvoted for safety if nothing else NOW

[SoN!c]

Everything is said 10 times over i feel. So we are running in circles.

Lets cut the chase and see where the flip takes us. Lets get this shit done. Im happy when town was called out they where here

On EW or on Rag. Doesnt matter in the end
But Everybody called Loose town so why not following loose ?

You can flip this 10.000 times over. Vaya con dios

[Loose Canon]

Actually since rag has claimed town doc, sonic you must take your vote off rag asap unless you are going to counterclaim exactly that role.

Other town voting rag should unvoted for safety if nothing else NOW

Actually anything else brings town to verge of losing game town has a very good chance of winning, however clouded that prospect seems right now, to you personally

Fpd by sonic

That is bollocks sonic

[SoN!c]

So is your reasoning when you are the SK. Both kong and darin first votes where on loose canon.. Look im not making myself popular i know but shit needs a dirty harry and that is what i do best.

[hjelp]

I like this one, thank you.

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I'm town doc
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Unvote Ragian
Vote Kingm