Btown Ratings and Gamechat Abuse [warned]

[jaytorade]

Accused:

btown80

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Game chat abuse & Ratings Abuse

His behavior and treatment of other members of the community is not appropriate.

Btown80's mode of operation is this.

If he is losing or going to lose he

1. Blames dice
2. tells the other player to f*ck themselves
3. deadbeats
4. leaves a terrible rating

Game number(s):

Game 3770319
Game 3723464

These are just two examples. But if you look at anyone he gave 1star ratings to its the same pattern over and over again.



Comments:

2008-12-02 23:03:07 - btown80: OMG!!! 51VS 36, AND YOU HAVE 26 LEFT?
2008-12-02 23:03:09 - btown80: f*ck you
2008-12-02 23:03:11 - btown80: f*ck this site
2008-12-02 23:03:56 - fleisch: it wasnt that crazy
2008-12-02 23:04:14 - btown80: not that crazy?
2008-12-02 23:04:16 - btown80: f*ck off bitch
2008-12-02 23:04:23 - btown80: lucky ass fucking noob bitch
2008-12-02 23:05:14 - fleisch: 11 off 1 for 1
2008-12-02 23:05:25 - fleisch: and considering the attacker has better odds its not that crazy
2008-12-02 23:05:28 - fleisch: do the math...
2008-12-02 23:05:38 - btown80: you can finish this tomorrow, i don't have time for lucky ass bitches like you
2008-12-02 23:05:55 - fleisch: ha ok. im not the one who doesnt have premium
2008-12-02 23:06:05 - fleisch: might think about that before you start delaying...
2008-12-02 23:16:24 - fleisch: i would make you wait but im not an asshole like you
2008-12-02 23:17:04 - btown80: f*ck off dickweed

2008-11-25 12:12:19 - btown80: ridiculous dice....
2008-11-25 12:13:22 - btown80: lucky bastard
2008-11-25 12:14:35 - custer: yes i rely on luck, i have no skills
2008-11-25 12:15:15 - btown80: exactly my point
2008-11-25 12:16:50 - custer: i know i am agreeing with you
2008-11-25 12:19:09 - btown80: f*ck you
2008-11-25 13:04:54 - btown80: slow ass bitch, finish this tomorrow now
2008-11-25 13:07:09 - custer: wow that was real lucky of me to beat all your guys like that
2008-11-25 13:07:28 - custer: sorry for being slow, your wife called me
2008-11-25 13:08:18 - btown80: not married, i prefer to stay single and f*ck your little sister
2008-11-25 13:14:34 - custer: cool, sorry i got lucky and beat you, you are a much better player then me. good day sir

[Rabid bunnies]

Codeblue1018 has a fan. A little less refined and a little rougher around the edges but at least he can string a sentence together. Such creatures are rarely civil.

I don't know if the mods will do anything about this simply because you can be asked to foe him. For what it's worth, much like with codeblue, a single individual foe'ing btown80 doesn't stop the other 99.9999% of the community from being exposed to his rants and abuse.

I think this is the problem with the "foe" option being the "normal" response. It's a response for an individual who's gone through the abuse and doesn't want to go through it again, but it doesn't help anyone who doesn't know that this player should be foe'd. Ratings don't help that much either.

If it's true that only (what is it... 3%?) of people that play visit these forums, and not all visit the C and A threads, not even 3% of the userbase will know what the btown80 experience is until they are harassed themselves. This is sort of where you'd think stepping in and taking a pro-active stance would benifit the community.

That being said, it's not my call and I'm sure there's a reason for being so liberal with this. Are we looking at a warning? Are we looking at a hands-off policy... what is the general procedure for this?

Jasmine

[a.sub]

RB what will most likely happen is a slap on the wrist, a warning, and a whopping nothing else
im afraid i disagree with the mods on this policy

[Rabid bunnies]

Thanks for the info a.sub... haven't I read somewhere that CC wanted to be more family-oriented? I don't see the conjunction in this type of policy with that type of aspiration for the futur.

Jasmine

[a.sub]

Thanks for the info a.sub... haven't I read somewhere that CC wanted to be more family-oriented? I don't see the conjunction in this type of policy with that type of aspiration for the futur.

Jasmine

sadly i see this to be more of an excuse for dropping the flame wars** and keeping people

**before your time if im not correct, it was a place meat for flames and insults to be thrown around

[owenshooter]

I think this is the problem with the "foe" option being the "normal" response. It's a response for an individual who's gone through the abuse and doesn't want to go through it again, but it doesn't help anyone who doesn't know that this player should be foe'd. Ratings don't help that much either.

what a wonderful response. well thought out, lucid, succinct and clearly written. you nailed it. the mods do their best, and the C&A mods/admin are visibly some of the most active and productive mods on the site (lance in his new roll in C&A is a far better mod than he was before, in my opinion). however, they are severely hindered unless some sort of new guidelines are created to deal with this sort of thing. codeblue has sadly set the precedent, as he is easily the most reported player for this type of thing in C&A. how can the mods/admins give Btown a more severe punishment for his first reported offense, than the slap on the wrist that codeblue continually receives. just put him on foe and move along, you know the drill...-0

[Rabid bunnies]

A.sub:

As for flame wars I remember reading a bit about it... sentences like:

"Bring back flamewars" or ronc saying something about expecting flame wars to be available with the money spent on the site etc... I suppose it developped quite a following, it was a forum where it was legal to harass and flame people huh? Did they have a tough time containing the insults to that board? Are alot of the problems nowadays because that board isn't there and people find alternative routes to flame?



Owen:

I understand completely. Sometimes I'm amused at reading codeblue's chats. As much as it sounds like a parent telling a child to "ignore" the bully and "hope he'll go away" ... I sometimes wonder if the best way to deal with players like codeblue and btown is simply not to reply in chat. They seem to build.

They fuss and whine and say their opponent has no skill... and then if the opponent responds... then they go into dramatic explanation of rolls and failures and successes and historic victories etc... It's almost as though their rant about the dice is automatic, but to rant against their opponent personally requires their opponent to defend themselves when really there is no need. If I play codeblue and have a good round and he curses about the dice, then tells me I have no skill, if I respond saying I do have skill (instinctive response to being told one doesn't) then he is defending his comment by attacking me. Either I don't have skill or he's a liar and therefor he must explain why dice are the reason he lost. In this 2nd explanation, alot of the personal attacks are thrown.

"Look at your rank... you. have. skill. Puh-leez!"

"You attack 10 men with 100 and advance a full 30? Totally unnacceptable, that's luck of dice, not skill!"

"I'm whatever rank I want to be... If I want to be conqueror I'll be conquerer I've been a Colonel 50 times! I've been a Brigadier 20 times and I've even been a Major pain"


Subtle responses like GG might even get them to react.

"It wasn't a good game! Good dice for you, but not a good game!"


And then of course there are those that get caught up in the war of words, people that excessively defend themselves against these comments when really, there's nothing to defend against. People assume that they need to reassure themselves that they're not as bad as codeblue or btown are making them out to be so they respond with:

"The dice can go either way"
"I was ahead anyway..."
"Dice have nothing to do with strategy"

It just amuses me how quiet these people are when they win, the good dice aren't worthy of being examined when they're seen in red instead of white.

Jasmine

[a.sub]

"You attack 10 men with 100 and advance a full 30? Totally unnacceptable, that's luck of dice, not skill!"

thats funny shit

[king sam]

I think this is the problem with the "foe" option being the "normal" response. It's a response for an individual who's gone through the abuse and doesn't want to go through it again, but it doesn't help anyone who doesn't know that this player should be foe'd. Ratings don't help that much either.

what a wonderful response. well thought out, lucid, succinct and clearly written. you nailed it. the mods do their best, and the C&A mods/admin are visibly some of the most active and productive mods on the site (lance in his new roll in C&A is a far better mod than he was before, in my opinion). however, they are severely hindered unless some sort of new guidelines are created to deal with this sort of thing. codeblue has sadly set the precedent, as he is easily the most reported player for this type of thing in C&A. how can the mods/admins give Btown a more severe punishment for his first reported offense, than the slap on the wrist that codeblue continually receives. just put him on foe and move along, you know the drill...-0

I did everything I could in the claim I made against codeblues actions (thread here) to see it get locked a week ago and all but fall of the first page of the C&A thread.

Owen and you have hit it dead on the head. The normal "Foe & Rate Accordingly" response only does soo much, in fact it only ensures that you don't have to be a part of those rants and chat abuse, but to the rest of the unknowingly public wont until they fall victim.

Lance & King A do a great job in here to clean this place up, but there needs to be a new standard and an example made out of both these2 to show that this kind of behavior wont be tolerated.

Good Luck,
King Sam

[Skiman]

As a starting point, we we really need is a "minimum ranking to join" setting for games. So when you start a game, you could set it to 4.0 - and every player with a rating under that couldn't join. So quickly, the true jerks on this site would start missing out on lots of game. Finally we'd give people a reason to at least try to maintain a decent rating.

Of course, it's not perfect, because these pricks will continue to act like little babies in games they start, but it's a start.

Perhaps someone can think longer and harder about this and propose it in the suggestions area. You'd need something to protect players with less than 10 or 20 ratings...

[Rabid bunnies]

As a starting point, we we really need is a "minimum ranking to join" setting for games. So when you start a game, you could set it to 4.0 - and every player with a rating under that couldn't join. So quickly, the true jerks on this site would start missing out on lots of game. Finally we'd give people a reason to at least try to maintain a decent rating.

Of course, it's not perfect, because these pricks will continue to act like little babies in games they start, but it's a start.

Perhaps someone can think longer and harder about this and propose it in the suggestions area. You'd need something to protect players with less than 10 or 20 ratings...

I think you're comming from the right place but... as you've pointed out yourself, there would be people acting like babies. Here's my concern. The rating has little to do with the player and more to do with the "rater"

I've been involved in a the "Frostbite" thread where he was rated "average" and "Backstabber" because he didn't let his opponent control NA. There are more bells and whistles to it but that's what it boiled down to. His opponent rated him 3 stars and backstabber because while focussing on blue, his opponent wanted to take NA on the side and Frostbite wouldn't let him.

Now... in response, Frostbite took the next game he played with this guy and rated him 1 stars straight through. Completely false rating, completely blatant in its retaliation but the point was that rating is subjective. You might feel frustrated at someone else's good play that you rate them badly. You might feel frustrated at your loss and convince yourself that they didn't play well just because they played "different" and rate them badly.


Maybe if you had a +/- system with a 0 mark.

Obviously like in game win %... the more games you play, the harder it is to get high %. Winning 1 game out of one is 100%, winning 2 games out of 4 is 50%... but when it comes to 800 games... 900 games, 1000 games... you need to win more and more for your % to change. With the rating system (if I'm not mistaken) it goes the same way, 1 bad rating could hurt you unless you have alot of good ratings. If you have only 3 or 4 ratings and one happens to be someone trying to make your life hard with an inaccurate rating, you're already down 25-33%

Maybe a +/- system with a 0 mark would be a good indicator for this type of system. No average... no specific for this side-ranking system, just positive experience or negative. Everytime someone clicks positive you get a value of +1, everytime someone clicks negative with you you get -1. This will give you a value overall... you might get have a rating of 10... that could mean 10 people rated you +1 or that could mean that 2 people rated you -1 and 12 people rated you +1

(This is similar to the Karma system on SPACE - You may have a value of -30 if you're pissing off enough people or you may have a value of 30 or more if everyone likes you. This is off topic for this thread and I will be removed if I don't stop now.)

Jasmine

[Skiman]

Yeah, there are a handful of people who abuse the ratings, but not really enough to mess the system up. They wash out in the end. To get your rating before 4.0, you really do need to consistently behave like a prick...

[Woodruff]

however, they are severely hindered unless some sort of new guidelines are created to deal with this sort of thing.

In case you're interested: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=87033

codeblue has sadly set the precedent, as he is easily the most reported player for this type of thing in C&A. how can the mods/admins give Btown a more severe punishment for his first reported offense, than the slap on the wrist that codeblue continually receives.

I definitely do agree with this. However, I do believe that BTown has had more than one offense. I have him on FOE, and I'm pretty sure I haven't played him personally, so I do believe he's been reported before.

[king achilles]

Correct me if I am mistaken but it appears that this is actually the first time that btown80 has ever been reported for game chat abuse.

[Bruceswar]

Correct me if I am mistaken but it appears that this is actually the first time that btown80 has ever been reported for game chat abuse.

Incorrect. I am pretty sure he has been here before in one way or another. Either wall postings, PM abuse or game chat. Not to mention his multi ?

[Kotaro]

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=55863&p=1437497&hilit=+btown80#p1437497

Multiple Accounts Busted

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=83226&p=1949548&hilit=+btown80#p1949548

btown80, please do not follow other players into their games and comment in the game chat. Please see the Community Guidelines for what is acceptable in game chat.

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=85221&p=1984680&hilit=+btown80#p1984680

btown80: i'm telling you to f*ck off, jump off a cliff, go f*ck your mother, and go to hell

Great guy.

[king achilles]

So this is about btown80 being accused of Game chat abuse/Ratings Abuse, aside from being a great guy.

[Bruceswar]

So this is about btown80 being accused of Game chat abuse/Ratings Abuse, aside from being a great guy.

Surely you missed the sarcasm...

[king achilles]

I didn't. I was still referring to my original post if there were any cases before that he was reported for his game chat abuse, besides being a great guy as what was mentioned because from what I see, this is his first case about it.

[Bruceswar]

I thought that is what lance had already told him?

"btown80, please do not follow other players into their games and comment in the game chat. Please see the Community Guidelines for what is acceptable in game chat."

[king achilles]

Checking the report where the warning came from, it was btown80 who reported the other player for following him in his game.

Anyway, moving forward, as we are already aware of btown80's temper sometimes in his games, his past disciplinary measures and of him already being aware of what is permitted and not, he has been issued a 24 hour forum ban and warned to tone it down.

Ratings abuse is cleared but still noted.