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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby natty dread on Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:41 pm

I doubt it's imageshack-related... maybe you have some display filter left on or something in gimp...

Anyway, try using the hue/saturation tool on the background layer, I'm guessing it's the background which is giving the image a red tint...
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby Oneyed on Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:45 pm

natty dread wrote:I doubt it's imageshack-related... maybe you have some display filter left on or something in gimp...


the small one loks fine. and the small was made from the big one which looks red... so I do not think problem is with my GIMP.
natty dread wrote:Anyway, try using the hue/saturation tool on the background layer, I'm guessing it's the background which is giving the image a red tint...


yes, but I have not certainly that the small one and big one will be the same.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby Jippd on Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:43 pm

Looks good but what happens if silver is on one of the capitals...can you still read the troop numbers then (i use color codes normally anyways) but jw
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:52 pm

In regards to the two legends, what if you made the mini-map behind the text more, hm faded, or less like the background surrounding the gameboard? I'm not sure I am being clear in my suggestion, since I don't quite know how to express it in terms of graphic software lingo.


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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:56 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:In regards to the two legends, what if you made the mini-map behind the text more, hm faded, or less like the background surrounding the gameboard? I'm not sure I am being clear in my suggestion, since I don't quite know how to express it in terms of graphic software lingo.


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Increase the opacity? Then yes.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby natty dread on Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:58 pm

Decrease... ;)
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:05 pm

natty dread wrote:Decrease... ;)

Yea, I still get it mixed up :oops: But what he said!!
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby Oneyed on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:09 pm

Jippd wrote:Looks good but what happens if silver is on one of the capitals...can you still read the troop numbers then (i use color codes normally anyways) but jw


in the first post is small map with numbers...

ok, I decrease the opacity of maps in legends. I think this is the minimum...
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby Jippd on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:24 pm

I saw the post with numbers but couldn't tell if that was neutral 88's on the capitals or silver 88's
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby Oneyed on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:47 pm

Jippd wrote:I saw the post with numbers but couldn't tell if that was neutral 88's on the capitals or silver 88's


these are neutral. but for me there is no difference between them :D

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby chapcrap on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:05 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:In regards to the two legends, what if you made the mini-map behind the text more, hm faded, or less like the background surrounding the gameboard? I'm not sure I am being clear in my suggestion, since I don't quite know how to express it in terms of graphic software lingo.


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That what I was trying to say.

I still think that the capitals off to the side look odd.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby natty dread on Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:39 pm

Firstly, there's no need to work on both sizes of maps at this point - just work on the large map and start working on the small map only after you get the gameplay stamp. It'll be a lot easier that way.

Secondly, both images still look like they have a reddish tint. I suspect it's the background causing this and you should adjust it with the hue/saturation tool.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby Jippd on Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:26 am

chapcrap wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:In regards to the two legends, what if you made the mini-map behind the text more, hm faded, or less like the background surrounding the gameboard? I'm not sure I am being clear in my suggestion, since I don't quite know how to express it in terms of graphic software lingo.


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That what I was trying to say.

I still think that the capitals off to the side look odd.


Could try running a version of the map without them they may not be needed.

I still find areas where labels overlap the borders hard to read (ie bratislava/hradic kralove) anyone else see this? I can read it, but I have better than 20/20 vision and i have to concentrate good.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby Oneyed on Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:17 am

chapcrap wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:In regards to the two legends, what if you made the mini-map behind the text more, hm faded, or less like the background surrounding the gameboard? I'm not sure I am being clear in my suggestion, since I don't quite know how to express it in terms of graphic software lingo.


--Andy

That what I was trying to say.

I still think that the capitals off to the side look odd.


I do not understand what you can say, Andy.
chapcrap, please look at small maps in legends ones more and you can see there is not enough space to do with caital symbols what you want. and ones more - as bottom left legend with symbol of towns and highway - also legends with mini maps are map legends.
Jippd wrote:Could try running a version of the map without them they may not be needed.


what? without minimaps in legends? and how will players know which is SR and which CR?
Jippd wrote:I still find areas where labels overlap the borders hard to read (ie bratislava/hradic kralove) anyone else see this? I can read it, but I have better than 20/20 vision and i have to concentrate good.


better now?

natty I hope it is not red more...
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:07 pm

Yeah the colour looks better.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby chapcrap on Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:28 am

I would just remove the image of the capitals from the keys.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - small map with numbers

Postby Oneyed on Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:52 am

chapcrap wrote:I would just remove the image of the capitals from the keys.


ok. I will create poll for this.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - poll

Postby Jippd on Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:19 am

No I meant put up a version of the map without the capital symbol in the minimap...would be easier to vote if we could see both options.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - poll

Postby Oneyed on Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:07 am

version 01 with symbols of capitals in upper right legend and in bottom left legend
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version 02 without symbols of capitals in upper right legend and in bottom left legend
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:03 am

Oneyed wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Why did you take out Beroun and put in Benesov in its place?

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sorry for that, but there is Benesov in reality. I do not know how to do it real and also that you will be happy #-o

Well, your original version showed Beroun, you just had it about 2 millimetres too far right:
Oneyed wrote:this version 1 (original) has as background old wall map. I´ve asked at site where I downloaded background (they sale this map) if I can use it. the answer is yes, this map old about 30 years.
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If you kept the objective as Beroun, but just moved the dot two millimetres left, it would be correct.

Beroun and Benesov are both roughly the same size, they are both county seats, and they are both Imperial cities dating to the 12th century. However, Beroun stands out in 3 ways:

1. It was a personal favourite of the Emperor Karel IV.

2. Because of the SS base in Benesov in World War II, there are already plenty of war games that include Benesov as an objective. I said this back on January 25th although maybe I didn't expand on it enough then. There's really too much focus on World War II based objectives in wargaming. I'm so tired of Ostfront-type war games that have Benesov as an objective but not Beroun. I thought your map brought joy to my heart because it was redressing the balance.

3. I have cousins in Beroun....:)
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - poll

Postby Jippd on Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:06 pm

I think either version with the capital symbol there or not there looks fine to me. I didn't vote since there was no option for indifference.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - poll

Postby tokle on Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:41 pm

Jippd wrote:I think either version with the capital symbol there or not there looks fine to me. I didn't vote since there was no option for indifference.

I think it looks better without the symbols.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - poll

Postby chapcrap on Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:35 pm

I voted before the versions were posted and I think my vote may be on the wrong version...

Anyway, I think it is better without the capitals in the key. Great looking map so far.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - poll

Postby Oneyed on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:30 am

to Dukasaur, I understand that you can have Beroun on map, but Beroun lies on highway from Praha to Plzeň. therefore it can not lies on highway between Praha and Brno. sorry.

Jippd wrote:I think either version with the capital symbol there or not there looks fine to me. I didn't vote since there was no option for indifference.


the indifference option does not solve anything ;) :)

the poll results are 2:2. I will wait a little more time...

a liitle changed text in legends without capital symbols. and highlated capitals.
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thanks guys for constructive help which move this map forward :)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - poll

Postby Jippd on Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:48 am

I'm indifferent on the underline too. I think any of the three versions work. I think the more I see the map without the capital symbol in the legend, it may look a little cleaner and less obtrusive.
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