Halloween Hollows [Quenched]

[cairnswk]

I dont get the graphical concept of this one.

Thanks for dropping in mibi, but shame you' ve left it to now to comment

[cairnswk]

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Colors aren't so good for me...in fact they're really bad. I can't tell what goes with what.
...

OK...so what colours can you tell, since we have to now change everything for you.

[RjBeals]

....Colors aren't so good for me...in fact they're really bad. I can't tell what goes with what. ..

OK...so what colours can you tell, since we have to now change everything for you.

Well.. I'm in the same boat as far as colors, but I dropped it after our rounds a few pages back. I'm fine with it how it is, but personally I would prefer something a little less bland.

Carins... playing around this morning, and i added some more color to the map. What do you think of this? See what I mean about the sky / grass popping a little more - why still having a creeping feeling? I'll leave it be at that. I do like your version, and will be happy with it as well. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

[cairnswk]

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Well.. I'm in the same boat as far as colors, but I dropped it after our rounds a few pages back. I'm fine with it how it is, but personally I would prefer something a little less bland.

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Yes Rj, i'm aware of what you said, i'm wanting to know what oaktown wants. no need to tell me things twice.

[Blitzaholic]

looking good cairns

i am interested what oaktown has to say as well

[cairnswk]

looking good cairns

i am interested what oaktown has to say as well

yes.

Version 19....i've added thick borders on the continents (doesn't really add to the overall appeal but might clear up what continent is what) and tidied the graves up in Tombstone Terrace, plus re-arranged the words in the Impassibles so that Jack O'Lantern isn't split.

[cairnswk]

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Colors aren't so good for me...in fact they're really bad. I can't tell what goes with what.
...

I wonder if oaktown is going to give me an indication of what colors he can make out.

[oaktown]

sorry, but my CC time has been pretty limited these past two weeks.

My issue with the colors is the same that I have had on many past maps: I have a really tough time determining what color something is by a small sample, such as the text in the legend... the lgend text of t'stone terrace, animal farm, dragon head and wizard ward all register very similarly to my lousy eyes. I'm used to this, of course, so I look for visual clues other than color: Tombstone Terrace is clearly marked on the map, so I know that's a +3; I just figured out Animal Farm from the territory titles so I am fairly confident that the six territories on the left are a +4; Wizard's Ward I assume is the six territories from Wizard Hats to Magic Wand, which will be an awfully tough to hold +5 (and probably thus worth the big bonus); but I'm not entirely sure how many territories make up Dragon Heads - does it include Cauldron Bubble? That region could maybe use a bit more/better description.

Let's get this done by early October.

[gimil]

Hi cairns,

I think I am generally happy with the direction this map is heading. I do hope we get it out in time for halloween (touch wood).

I do have one little niggle for the time being, it seem that their is something a little flat about thwe image. After looking at the image for a while I realised that you have alot of things not casting a shadows in the map. E.g. fences, the castle, coffins etc

Would it be to much to ask that these shadows are added? I feel it will bring things a little more to life

[cairnswk]

sorry, but my CC time has been pretty limited these past two weeks.

My issue with the colors is the same that I have had on many past maps: I have a really tough time determining what color something is by a small sample, such as the text in the legend... the lgend text of t'stone terrace, animal farm, dragon head and wizard ward all register very similarly to my lousy eyes. I'm used to this, of course, so I look for visual clues other than color: Tombstone Terrace is clearly marked on the map, so I know that's a +3; I just figured out Animal Farm from the territory titles so I am fairly confident that the six territories on the left are a +4; Wizard's Ward I assume is the six territories from Wizard Hats to Magic Wand, which will be an awfully tough to hold +5 (and probably thus worth the big bonus); but I'm not entirely sure how many territories make up Dragon Heads - does it include Cauldron Bubble? That region could maybe use a bit more/better description.

Let's get this done by early October.

Thanks oaktown...i would love to have this done by early october,,,but i need to satisfy you with colours first, and if you can assist in that direction it would be appreciated

[cairnswk]

Hi cairns,

I think I am generally happy with the direction this map is heading. I do hope we get it out in time for halloween (touch wood).

I do have one little niggle for the time being, it seem that their is something a little flat about thwe image. After looking at the image for a while I realised that you have alot of things not casting a shadows in the map. E.g. fences, the castle, coffins etc

Would it be to much to ask that these shadows are added? I feel it will bring things a little more to life

Not at all.

[cairnswk]

Version 20.

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[RjBeals]

much much better cairns. I think we should move this over to FF and get this thing quenched asap. I have nothing else to comment on. Colors are great now, and the new lighter yellowish font color looks way better also. Bravo.

You know, they are already starting to show some horror flicks on television now.. the clock is ticking.

[cairnswk]

much much better cairns. I think we should move this over to FF and get this thing quenched asap. I have nothing else to comment on. Colors are great now, and the new lighter yellowish font color looks way better also. Bravo.

You know, they are already starting to show some horror flicks on television now.. the clock is ticking.

Thanks RJ.

I'm a bit concerned about the Spider territories bonus.

It was two spider-web territories plus the spider, but i made it two adjoining spider-web territories plus the spider.

I'm concerned that players are going to take three adjoining territories and expect a bonus of 3 since there will be three combinations of that bonus.

As you can see, most of the xml is written with the exception of the spider bonuses

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<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<map>
  <title>Halloween Hollows</title>
  <smallwidth>610</smallwidth>
  <smallheight>550</smallheight>
  <largewidth>750</largewidth>
  <largeheight>676</largeheight>
  <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<continent>
  <name>Tombstone Terrace</name>
  <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Allfellows Church</territory>
   <territory>Sheelbe Buggery</territory>
   <territory>Ima Pinnacle</territory>
   <territory>Mathius Goodbook</territory>
   <territory>Fideus Widget</territory>
   <territory>Judge Mentday</territory>
   <territory>Tombstone Terrace</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Animal Farm</name>
  <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Wolverine</territory>
   <territory>Raven Tree</territory>
   <territory>Bat Wings</territory>
   <territory>Blackcat Mews</territory>
   <territory>Snakes Slither</territory>
   <territory>Frogstomp</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Death's Door</name>
  <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Undertaker's Plot</territory>
   <territory>Jack O'Lantern Manor</territory>
   <territory>Skeleton Closet</territory>
   <territory>Ghost Grove</territory>
   <territory>Skull Road</territory>
   <territory>Deadmen Dancing</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Witches Way</name>
  <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Fallow Field</territory>
   <territory>Wicked The Witch</territory>
   <territory>Witche's Castle</territory>
   <territory>Broomstick Base</territory>
   <territory>Voodoo Vault</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Dragon Heads</name>
  <bonus>5</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Dragon Lair</territory>
   <territory>Dragon Snout Heads</territory>
   <territory>Peril Rocks</territory>
   <territory>Cauldron Bubble</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Wizard Ward</name>
  <bonus>5</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Wizard Hats</territory>
   <territory>Wishing Pouch</territory>
   <territory>Gizzard Gue</territory>
   <territory>Wiccan Beach</territory>
   <territory>Well of Spells</territory>
   <territory>Magic Wand</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Spider</name>
  <bonus>1</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Blackwidow Roost</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<!-- Start Tombstone Terraces -->

<territory>
  <name>Allfellows Church</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Tombstone Terrace</border>
   <border>Wicked The Witch</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>104</smallx>
         <smally>80</smally>
         <largex>129</largex>
         <largey>93</largey>

      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Sheelbe Buggery</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Tombstone Terrace</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>160</smallx>
         <smally>88</smally>
         <largex>198</largex>
         <largey>103</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Ima Pinnacle</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Tombstone Terrace</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>191</smallx>
         <smally>94</smally>
         <largex>236</largex>
         <largey>110</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Mathius Goodbook</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Tombstone Terrace</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>222</smallx>
         <smally>84</smally>
         <largex>274</largex>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Fideus Widget</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Tombstone Terrace</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>251</smallx>
         <smally>101</smally>
         <largex>310</largex>
         <largey>119</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Judge Mentday</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Tombstone Terrace</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>280</smallx>
         <smally>97</smally>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Tombstone Terrace</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Allfellows Church</border>
   <border>Sheelbe Buggery</border>
   <border>Ima Pinnacle</border>
   <border>Mathius Goodbook</border>
   <border>Fideus Widget</border>
   <border>Judge Mentday</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>133</smally>
         <largex>231</largex>
         <largey>158</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End of Tombstone Terrace -->

<!-- Start Animal Farm -->

<territory>
  <name>Wolverine</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Raven Tree</border>
   <border>Bat Wings</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <largex>121</largex>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Raven Tree</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Wolverine</border>
   <border>Bat Wings</border>
   <border>Snakes Slither</border>
   <border>Blackcat Mews</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>311</smally>
         <largex>126</largex>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Bat Wings</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Wolverine</border>
   <border>Raven Tree</border>
   <border>Jack O'Lantern Manor</border>
   <border>Snakes Slither</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>302</smally>
         <largex>182</largex>
         <largey>366</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Blackcat Mews</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Raven Tree</border>
   <border>Frogstomp</border>
   <border>Wicked The Witch</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>131</smallx>
         <smally>389</smally>
         <largex>162</largex>
         <largey>473</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Snakes Slither</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Bat Wings</border>
   <border>Ghost Grove</border>
   <border>Raven Tree</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>380</smally>
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         <largey>462</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Frogstomp</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Blackcat Mews</border>
   <border>Deadmen Dancing</border>
   <border>Blackwidow Roost</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>435</smally>
         <largex>270</largex>
         <largey>530</largey>
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</territory>

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<!-- Start Death's Door -->

<territory>
  <name>Undertaker's Plot</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Fallow Field</border>
   <border>Tombstone Terrace</border>
   <border>Jack O'Lantern Manor</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>200</smally>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Jack O'Lantern Manor</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Undertaker's Plot</border>
   <border>Fallow Field</border>
   <border>Bat Wings</border>
   <border>Skeleton Closet</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>268</smally>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Skeleton Closet</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Jack O'Lantern Manor</border>
   <border>Fallow Field</border>
   <border>Voodoo Vault</border>
   <border>Wizard Hats</border>
   <border>Skull Road</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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</territory>

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  <name>Skull Road</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Skeleton Closet</border>
   <border>Deadmen Dancing</border>
   <border>Ghost Grove</border>
   <border>Wizard Hats</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>335</smally>
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         <largey>407</largey>
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</territory>

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  <name>Ghost Grove</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Skull Road</border>
   <border>Deadmen Dancing</border>
   <border>Snakes Slither</border>
   </borders>
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</territory>

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  <name>Deadmen Dancing</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Skull Road</border>
   <border>Ghost Grove</border>
   <border>Frogstomp</border>
   <border>Blackwidow Roost</border>
   <border>Wishing Pouch</border>
   <border>Wicked The Witch</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>375</smally>
         <largex>388</largex>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End Death's Door -->

<!-- Start Witches Way -->

<territory>
  <name>Fallow Field</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Tombstone Terrace</border>
   <border>Witche's Castle</border>
   <border>Broomstick Base</border>
   <border>Skeleton Closet</border>
   <border>Undertaker's Plot</border>
   <border>Jack O'Lantern Manor</border>
   <border>Voodoo Vault</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>262</smallx>
         <smally>196</smally>
         <largex>323</largex>
         <largey>236</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Wicked The Witch</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Witche's Castle</border>
   <border>Tombstone Terrace</border>
   <border>Well of Spells</border>
   <border>Bate Wings</border>
   <border>Mathious Goodbook</border>
   <border>Broomstick Base</border>
   <border>Skull Road</border>
   <border>Cauldron Bubble</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>84</smally>
         <largex>490</largex>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Witche's Castle</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Wicked The Witch</border>
   <border>Fallow Field</border>
   <border>Broomstick Base</border>
   <border>Dragon Lair</border>
   <border>Dragon Snout Heads</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>166</smally>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Broomstick Base</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Witche's Castle</border>
   <border>Fallow Field</border>
   <border>Voodoo Vault</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>206</smally>
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         <largey>248</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Voodoo Vault</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Fallow Field</border>
   <border>Broomstick Base</border>
   <border>Dragon Lair</border>
   <border>Wizard Hats</border>
   <border>Skeleton Closet</border>
   <border>Wicked The Witch</border>
   </borders>
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         <largex>398</largex>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End of Witches Way -->

<!-- Start Dragon Heads -->

<territory>
  <name>Dragon Lair</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Witche's Castle</border>
   <border>Voodoo Vault</border>
   <border>Wizard Hats</border>
   <border>Dragon Snout Heads</border>
   <border>Peril Rocks</border>
   <border>Wicked The Witch</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>242</smally>
         <largex>506</largex>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Dragon Snout Heads</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Witche's Castle</border>
   <border>Dragon Lair</border>
   <border>Peril Rocks</border>
   <border>Cauldron Bubble</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>200</smally>
         <largex>681</largex>
         <largey>241</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Cauldron Bubble</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Dragon Snout Heads</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>510</smallx>
         <smally>268</smally>
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         <largey>324</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Peril Rocks</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Dragon Lair</border>
   <border>Dragon Snout Heads</border>
   <border>Wiccan Beach</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>287</smally>
         <largex>476</largex>
         <largey>348</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End Dragon Heads -->

<!-- Start Wizard Ward -->

<territory>
  <name>Wizard Hats</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Skeleton Closet</border>
   <border>Voodoo Vault</border>
   <border>Dragon Lair</border>
   <border>Skull Road</border>
   <border>Wiccan Beach</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>364</smallx>
         <smally>326</smally>
         <largex>448</largex>
         <largey>396</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Wiccan Beach</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Wizard Hats</border>
   <border>Magic Wand</border>
   <border>Dragon Lair</border>
   <border>Peril Rocks</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>521</smallx>
         <smally>352</smally>
         <largex>641</largex>
         <largey>428</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Wishing Pouch</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Deadmen Dancing</border>
   <border>Gizzard Gue</border>
   <border>Blackwidow Roost</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>367</smallx>
         <smally>374</smally>
         <largex>452</largex>
         <largey>455</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Gizzard Gue</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Wishing Pouch</border>
   <border>Well of Spells</border>
   <border>Magic Wand</border>
   <border>Blackwidow Roost</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>455</smallx>
         <smally>401</smally>
         <largex>560</largex>
         <largey>488</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Well of Spells</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Magic Wand</border>
   <border>Gizzard Gue</border>
   <border>Blackwidow Roost</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>521</smallx>
         <smally>424</smally>
         <largex>641</largex>
         <largey>516</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Magic Wand</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Well of Spells</border>
   <border>Wiccan Beach</border>
   <border>Gizzard Gue</border>
   <border>Wicked The Witch</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>571</smallx>
         <smally>450</smally>
         <largex>703</largex>
         <largey>548</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End of Wizard Ward -->

<!-- Start Spider -->

<territory>
  <name>Blackwidow Roost</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Frogstomp</border>
   <border>Deadmen Dancing</border>
   <border>Wishing Pouch</border>
   <border>Gizzard Gue</border>
   <border>Well of Spells</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>430</smallx>
         <smally>448</smally>
         <largex>530</largex>
         <largey>546</largey>
      </coordinates>
<neutral>15</neutral>
</territory>

</map>


[RjBeals]

I find the current instructions pretty clear. But I see the concern.
If I hold the spider, and 4 adjoining web territs, do I still get a +1 bonus? Or should I get +1 for the 1 unique set, and another +1 for the second unique set? Maybe try to fit "Spider and at least 3 adjoining..." - dunno.

[cairnswk]

I find the current instructions pretty clear. But I see the concern.
If I hold the spider, and 4 adjoining web territs, do I still get a +1 bonus? Or should I get +1 for the 1 unique set, and another +1 for the second unique set? Maybe try to fit "Spider and at least 3 adjoining..." - dunno.

Let's see....
Animal Farm has 6 terts
Deaths Door has 6 terts
Wtiches Way has 5 terts but has 4 spider-web terts
Wizard Ward has 6 terts.
Since Wicked The Witch is part of the Witches Way continent....
perhaps that could be "Spider plus min. adjoining 4 spider-web terts" +1

What do you think?
That would reduce the combinations possible for those bonuses
For Witches Way there would be only 1 combination.

[RjBeals]

At first thought, it seems okay - but I'll give it more thought tomorrow. I'm about to head out for the night. Hopefully, you'll get some more feedback tonight.

[Night Strike]

Are the witch and/or the spider starting as neutral?

The colors look great now.

[cairnswk]

Are the witch and/or the spider starting as neutral?

ONly the spider. i did have three neutrals but i'm thinking more like 15 now.

The colors look great now.

Good.

[Night Strike]

Are the witch and/or the spider starting as neutral?

ONly the spider. i did have three neutrals but i'm thinking more like 15 now.

15 on such a small map?!?! That seems way too large for just the +1.

[cairnswk]

Are the witch and/or the spider starting as neutral?

ONly the spider. i did have three neutrals but i'm thinking more like 15 now.

15 on such a small map?!?! That seems way too large for just the +1.

Yes but in any game it will bring a good "late" bonus

[foregone]

Are the witch and/or the spider starting as neutral?

ONly the spider. i did have three neutrals but i'm thinking more like 15 now.

15 on such a small map?!?! That seems way too large for just the +1.

Yes but in any game it will bring a good "late" bonus

IMO something around 5 neutrals may just be better. It'll discourage taking it in the first stages of the game but still make it accessable. With 15 it seems that by the time anyone can take it a +1 won't be useful and/or the game will be practically over.

Just my 2 cents though.

[cairnswk]

Are the witch and/or the spider starting as neutral?

ONly the spider. i did have three neutrals but i'm thinking more like 15 now.

15 on such a small map?!?! That seems way too large for just the +1.

Yes but in any game it will bring a good "late" bonus

IMO something around 5 neutrals may just be better. It'll discourage taking it in the first stages of the game but still make it accessable. With 15 it seems that by the time anyone can take it a +1 won't be useful and/or the game will be practically over.

Just my 2 cents though.

OK 5, sounds a fair thing to me.

[gimil]

Love the shadows cairns, they're great!

[cairnswk]

gimil wrote:Love the shadows cairns, they're great!



Good, so can you get oaktown in here to stamp this for gameplay so we can get this quenched in time for Halloween. please.

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