HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

[porkenbeans]

CC is no longer just a quant little web site. we are over 20,000 strong, and growing at a rate of nearly 1,000 per month. they would have to bust at least 10 multies a month just to keep up with the new cheats coming on board.

You really don't get over to the Cheating and Abuse forum do you?? There are easily 10 multis busted in a single week. The current method of users posting cheaters is very effective at catching many of them. Their are methods that the Hunters and the Admins use that no one else know about to catch multis that no one has ever reported. There are others who if they don't get caught, eventually make a slip up and are exposed. If you've been having problems playing in games against multis, pay the $25 so you can make private games and play with only people who you already know. Believe me, this idea is not going to work as a full site change. It might be decent as optional play, but making it mandatory is going to kill so many things that many people have consistently brought up.

the buisness standpoint would in fact be inhanced. as people would have more confidence in the integrity of this site. as it is now, pro. wrestling has more integrity.

This site is already much better than many of the other online gaming sites (from what I've been told). You show everybody a site that has better multi busting than CC does, and then use that method to make some suggestions here.

oooooooooooooooo, thats a great idea, make it an option. that is fricking brillant. . i like that, and the more i think about it, the more i like it. maybe this thread will be worth it, after all. .....hey lack, what do ya think ? ...do-able ? .

[porkenbeans]

CC is no longer just a quant little web site. we are over 20,000 strong, and growing at a rate of nearly 1,000 per month. they would have to bust at least 10 multies a month just to keep up with the new cheats coming on board.

You really don't get over to the Cheating and Abuse forum do you?? There are easily 10 multis busted in a single week. The current method of users posting cheaters is very effective at catching many of them. Their are methods that the Hunters and the Admins use that no one else know about to catch multis that no one has ever reported. There are others who if they don't get caught, eventually make a slip up and are exposed. If you've been having problems playing in games against multis, pay the $25 so you can make private games and play with only people who you already know. Believe me, this idea is not going to work as a full site change. It might be decent as optional play, but making it mandatory is going to kill so many things that many people have consistently brought up.

the buisness standpoint would in fact be inhanced. as people would have more confidence in the integrity of this site. as it is now, pro. wrestling has more integrity.

This site is already much better than many of the other online gaming sites (from what I've been told). You show everybody a site that has better multi busting than CC does, and then use that method to make some suggestions here.

oooooooooooooooo, thats a great idea, make it an option. that is fricking brillant. . i like that, and the more i think about it, the more i like it. maybe this thread will be worth it, after all. .....hey lack, what do ya think ? ...do-able ? .

i would go as far to say, that before long, more would be playing the option than not. you could even do both. i would bet the farm, that, if implemented, we would soon see a drastic shake-up on the leader board. the cream will rise to the top, oh, and look for me there. you could even designate a special circle around the rank insigna of those that play the option at least, say 75% of the time.

[Simon Viavant]

1 thing I can not understand about the multies is that, so you reach a higher score!!!! But it means Jack Sh1t

Exactly what I think of multis. And score in general. If I cared about my score, I'd play the game a LOT differently and it wouldn't be nearly as fun for me. Anyway, what do you do if you wanna play friends/family, or challenge yourself by going against a high rank, or something like that, and you don't like team games? Personally, I like choosing opponents and I HATE team games, I end up getting screwed by my teammate(s) a lot, and anyway, that's just sort of an extension of 1v1, which I think is mostly luck. It might be plausible, if you could choose ALL the settings AND the map AND the # of players, but to me it just seems like a bunch of unnecessary work.

[porkenbeans]

1 thing I can not understand about the multies is that, so you reach a higher score!!!! But it means Jack Sh1t

Exactly what I think of multis. And score in general. If I cared about my score, I'd play the game a LOT differently and it wouldn't be nearly as fun for me. Anyway, what do you do if you wanna play friends/family, or challenge yourself by going against a high rank, or something like that, and you don't like team games? Personally, I like choosing opponents and I HATE team games, I end up getting screwed by my teammate(s) a lot, and anyway, that's just sort of an extension of 1v1, which I think is mostly luck. It might be plausible, if you could choose ALL the settings AND the map AND the # of players, but to me it just seems like a bunch of unnecessary work.

you have only played 80 games, so you dont really comprehend yet, the amount of cheating going on. i was informed earlier in this thread that they are busting 10 players a week. it is my opinion that they are only getting the really stupid ones. they are not catching the smart ones. i have no doubt that if i wanted to cheat, i could do it successfully. .

[blakebowling]

i have no doubt that if i wanted to cheat, i could do it successfully. .

and your the ones that told us that multis get out of stripes *notices that porkenbeans is a captian*

and just to say this, If this ever happened, i would quit CC and go to lacks house and demand a refund

[porkenbeans]

i have no doubt that if i wanted to cheat, i could do it successfully. .

and your the ones that told us that multis get out of stripes *notices that porkenbeans is a captian*

and just to say this, If this ever happened, i would quit CC and go to lacks house and demand a refund

are u trying to call me a cheat ? i am trying to figure out a way to cut off cheaters at the knees. you must be either a nimrod or a cheater yourself.

[porkenbeans]

Its an interesting odea and you deserve some credit for thinking this one up. However, I joined the xigames club to avoid the multi's. We play private games were members are invited to join. Therefore if a multi sets up a private game he can invite himself and advatise the game in callouts.

Better to punish the guilty with perma-bans and score resets. As points are the cheats driving factor.

read night strikes thread on this subject. what do you think about having it as an option ?

[delboy01]

As the basis of the thread was to eliminate multi's/secret alliences making it an option would not serve that purpose. I'm afraid for me, and many others it seems to be a non-starter.

[porkenbeans]

As the basis of the thread was to eliminate multi's/secret alliences making it an option would not serve that purpose. I'm afraid for me, and many others it seems to be a non-starter.

but i strongly disagree. the option would be a place where people could go to play multi-player games, and not have to play against a stacked deck. cheaters would not be using the option, for the most part, so it would basicly become a no multi zone, .believe me brother, i know of what i speak. since i gave up joining multi-player games, my rank has rapidly shot up to almost col. after a long stagnation at sarg. thats 4 ranks in as many weeks. but i would prefer to play in big multi-player games. thats where the really fun games are to be found.

[yeti_c]

I believe one of the latest changes that was made might meet the "optional" part...

If you try to make a game that already has an open version in the waiting list - then it will ask you if you want to join that instead of making a new one?

C.

[porkenbeans]

I believe one of the latest changes that was made might meet the "optional" part...

If you try to make a game that already has an open version in the waiting list - then it will ask you if you want to join that instead of making a new one?

C.

how on earth is that anything like, what we are talking about ?

[Optimus Prime]

Tournaments, as mentioned by several others, and which you currently seem to refuse to address, would be crippled. That simply isn't acceptable. Not in the slightest.

This idea would destroy tournaments completely.

As for making it an option. Lack has already made it abundantly clear that he is not a huge fan of "optional" settings, and something this drastic is definitely not going to be his cup of tea I would guess.

[porkenbeans]

Tournaments, as mentioned by several others, and which you currently seem to refuse to address, would be crippled. That simply isn't acceptable. Not in the slightest.

This idea would destroy tournaments completely.

As for making it an option. Lack has already made it abundantly clear that he is not a huge fan of "optional" settings, and something this drastic is definitely not going to be his cup of tea I would guess.

the the turny crippling was addressed with the ''option'' idea. i spoke with lak a while back about this virgining idea. he liked it. but, was concerned others wouldnt. the fact that turnys and clan wars and such would all be diversely affected, was realized. but, i knew that there was a solution somewhere out there. (reminds me of a rainbow song. haha). so i decided to flote it out there and see if some conquer club genious might have the answer. i even made the thread provocitive on purpose to get more readers. well, our brother ''night strike'' wins the prize with his idea about making it an option. . oh, and i can understand why lak might not care too much for options in general. hell he has prob. herd a million cacamamie ideas. but this is not just another quirky option. it is in fact a whole new room at CC, a room where cheating is much, much harder to get away with. its a room where your rank really means something. it will even be reflected on you insigna with a circle around it. (that is, if you keep 75% of your games, played there).

[blakebowling]

the the turny crippling was addressed with the ''option'' idea. i spoke with lak a while back about this virgining idea. he liked it. but, was concerned others wouldnt. the fact that turnys and clan wars and such would all be diversely affected, was realized. but, i knew that there was a solution somewhere out there. (reminds me of a rainbow song. haha). so i decided to flote it out there and see if some conquer club genious might have the answer. i even made the thread provocitive on purpose to get more readers. well, our brother ''night strike'' wins the prize with his idea about making it an option. . oh, and i can understand why lak might not care too much for options in general. hell he has prob. herd a million cacamamie ideas. but this is not just another quirky option. it is in fact a whole new room at CC, a room where cheating is much, much harder to get away with. its a room where your rank really means something. it will even be reflected on you insigna with a circle around it. (that is, if you keep 75% of your games, played there).

I thought it was clear this was an ENGLISH forum!!

[ragingrage]

i vote no. it would make tournys (a very fun part of this game) impossible, and what if u want 2 have a rematch against some1?

[Nickbaldwin]

the the turny crippling was addressed with the ''option'' idea. i spoke with lak a while back about this virgining idea. he liked it. but, was concerned others wouldnt. the fact that turnys and clan wars and such would all be diversely affected, was realized. but, i knew that there was a solution somewhere out there. (reminds me of a rainbow song. haha). so i decided to flote it out there and see if some conquer club genious might have the answer. i even made the thread provocitive on purpose to get more readers. well, our brother ''night strike'' wins the prize with his idea about making it an option. . oh, and i can understand why lak might not care too much for options in general. hell he has prob. herd a million cacamamie ideas. but this is not just another quirky option. it is in fact a whole new room at CC, a room where cheating is much, much harder to get away with. its a room where your rank really means something. it will even be reflected on you insigna with a circle around it. (that is, if you keep 75% of your games, played there).

I thought it was clear this was an ENGLISH forum!!

[jpcloet]

There so many other reasons why:

1. I'd have to hope someone is looking for my settings
2. I may never consider playing other maps or settings if there weren't visible open games

and more....

I'd rather see a change in policy around IP addresses etc. Not sure why there are 5 or more people playing on the same computer in many instances. I'm sure there's other ways of automatic and systematic checks could be done. I think the multi-hunters have done a great job so far, and I've seen less and less in my games recently over the last 6 months.

[porkenbeans]

There so many other reasons why:

1. I'd have to hope someone is looking for my settings
2. I may never consider playing other maps or settings if there weren't visible open games

and more....

I'd rather see a change in policy around IP addresses etc. Not sure why there are 5 or more people playing on the same computer in many instances. I'm sure there's other ways of automatic and systematic checks could be done. I think the multi-hunters have done a great job so far, and I've seen less and less in my games recently over the last 6 months.

thats the beauty about making it an option. you dont have to, ever go to the room, if you dont want to. so your play is NOT effected in any way. the only people that could possibly be against it, would be cheaters themselves. why on earth would you care if me and others want to play in a seperate room that assures less cheating. its no skin off your nose. if you are not a cheater, you should not be against it in any way. and yes, i applaud the hunters in there effort to catch the multies. but, only the stupid ones are being caught. it is very hard to catch a multi, and next to impossible to catch one that is smart. the very top spots are most undoubtably where you will find these illusive creatures.

[Simon Viavant]

Making it an option would be pointless, because
A) The whole purpose was to stop multis from joining games with each other
B)Most honest players can just join a random game they see with people they've never played, so just having it as a fun option would be unnecessary work.

[porkenbeans]

Making it an option would be pointless, because
A) The whole purpose was to stop multis from joining games with each other
B)Most honest players can just join a random game they see with people they've never played, so just having it as a fun option would be unnecessary work.

you are not making any since my friend. i just dont know what to say to you.

[blakebowling]

Making it an option would be pointless, because
A) The whole purpose was to stop multis from joining games with each other
B)Most honest players can just join a random game they see with people they've never played, so just having it as a fun option would be unnecessary work.

you are not making any since my friend. i just dont know what to say to you.

multi's cheat to gain points (most of the time), the easiest way is to create 3-5 multi's and put them all in one game, then deadbeat w/ all but one and you get all the points.
or, they cheat by ganging up on a player, (which is what porkenbeans is trying to solve).
But adding it as a seperate "room"(???) isnt probable, if you want to do that, just search for that game and join one.

[porkenbeans]

Making it an option would be pointless, because
A) The whole purpose was to stop multis from joining games with each other
B)Most honest players can just join a random game they see with people they've never played, so just having it as a fun option would be unnecessary work.

you are not making any since my friend. i just dont know what to say to you.

multi's cheat to gain points (most of the time), the easiest way is to create 3-5 multi's and put them all in one game, then deadbeat w/ all but one and you get all the points.
or, they cheat by ganging up on a player, (which is what porkenbeans is trying to solve).
But adding it as a seperate "room"(???) isnt probable, if you want to do that, just search for that game and join one.

maybe you dont understand the logic of ''AUTO-MATCHING''. let me try and explain. multies proffit by joining games where they can play more than 1 seat. (hence the term ''MULTI''). in this room, they are not allowed to do this at will, sure they can enter all their multies with the same options and boards, but getting paired, would be hit and miss, and their cheating % will suffer greatly. most wont even play in the room for that very reason. the leader board will soon have more integrety than it does now. and especialy so, when you see the circle around the insignia. i suspect that as much as 50% of the top 50, are occuping the seats of the true owners. and someone in the top 10 is setting in my seat. lol. but go ahead and mark these words for posterity.

[Nickbaldwin]

YOU.....


ARE....

NOT.....


UNDERSTANDING......




No-one wants this

[Optimus Prime]

Making it an option would be pointless, because
A) The whole purpose was to stop multis from joining games with each other
B)Most honest players can just join a random game they see with people they've never played, so just having it as a fun option would be unnecessary work.

you are not making any since my friend. i just dont know what to say to you.

multi's cheat to gain points (most of the time), the easiest way is to create 3-5 multi's and put them all in one game, then deadbeat w/ all but one and you get all the points.
or, they cheat by ganging up on a player, (which is what porkenbeans is trying to solve).
But adding it as a seperate "room"(???) isnt probable, if you want to do that, just search for that game and join one.

maybe you dont understand the logic of ''AUTO-MATCHING''. let me try and explain. multies proffit by joining games where they can play more than 1 seat. (hence the term ''MULTI''). in this room, they are not allowed to do this at will, sure they can enter all their multies with the same options and boards, but getting paired, would be hit and miss, and their cheating % will suffer greatly. most wont even play in the room for that very reason. the leader board will soon have more integrety than it does now. and especialy so, when you see the circle around the insignia. i suspect that as much as 50% of the top 50, are occuping the seats of the true owners. and someone in the top 10 is setting in my seat. lol. but go ahead and mark these words for posterity.

And you just proved why this won't work. A person creates 7 or 8 multis, gives them all identical, or nearly identical preferences, and because so few people will actually want to participate in this other "room" the chance that these 7 or 8 accounts wind up in the same game is much higher than you think. Therefore, your auto-matching does absolutely nothing to solve the problem.

And.... we're done here.

[porkenbeans]

Making it an option would be pointless, because
A) The whole purpose was to stop multis from joining games with each other
B)Most honest players can just join a random game they see with people they've never played, so just having it as a fun option would be unnecessary work.

you are not making any since my friend. i just dont know what to say to you.

multi's cheat to gain points (most of the time), the easiest way is to create 3-5 multi's and put them all in one game, then deadbeat w/ all but one and you get all the points.
or, they cheat by ganging up on a player, (which is what porkenbeans is trying to solve).
But adding it as a seperate "room"(???) isnt probable, if you want to do that, just search for that game and join one.

maybe you dont understand the logic of ''AUTO-MATCHING''. let me try and explain. multies proffit by joining games where they can play more than 1 seat. (hence the term ''MULTI''). in this room, they are not allowed to do this at will, sure they can enter all their multies with the same options and boards, but getting paired, would be hit and miss, and their cheating % will suffer greatly. most wont even play in the room for that very reason. the leader board will soon have more integrety than it does now. and especialy so, when you see the circle around the insignia. i suspect that as much as 50% of the top 50, are occuping the seats of the true owners. and someone in the top 10 is setting in my seat. lol. but go ahead and mark these words for posterity.

And you just proved why this won't work. A person creates 7 or 8 multis, gives them all identical, or nearly identical preferences, and because so few people will actually want to participate in this other "room" the chance that these 7 or 8 accounts wind up in the same game is much higher than you think. Therefore, your auto-matching does absolutely nothing to solve the problem.

And.... we're done here.

you just proved my point. they are allready doing that. ''AM.'' makes it a hit or miss propisition. thus, drasticly lowering the amount of cheatable games they can play. i think thou dust protest too much. and i think that you are dead wrong when it comes to, how many would play. i predict that the majority of players would soon be sporting circles around their rank insignias. only a cheater would cry about this. because if you dont like it, you dont have to play it. so why would you care if others do ?