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HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:27 pm

:o ...say it aint so. #-o . well im afraid to say, ...(its true). the massive problem with ''multies'', is evedence to this un-fortunate fact. and i know that CC has recognized, and attempted to correct this. allthough, i believe that the problem, is in fact, far more extensive than first realized. i have done several calculations on this, and even in the most forgiving models, there are at least, 200 mult-cheaters, alive and well, here at CC. and if you take into account, the fact that these players will naturaly gravitate to the top, well, its just frightening to imagine. :shock: . i have come to realize that the flaw is rooted in the fact that, players get to choose there opponents. nowhere in prof. sports, (outside of boxing), do see this kind of game structure. if you fix this, you fix, to most exstint, the ''multi'' problem. :D it would work something like this; to join a game, you must, select your favorite settings, then select 10 of your favorite boards. then CC will match players together. thus, eliminating the way, that multies are able to cheat. also, :idea: CC would have to match players that are within, say, 3 or 4 grades in rank of each other. players could still be alloud to choose there opponents in pickup games, but only in, 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4 games. \:D/. PLEASE [-o< , do this!!! you can even have a vote on the my games page. you can even hand over to your hunters, a list of the people that voted against it. hehehe.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:30 pm

I'd vote against this and I don't have a multi.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby Night Strike on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:31 pm

I vote against it. It's one of the occasional downsides of playing on Xbox Live, which is where I'm sure you got the idea from. Plus, it'll probably take a lot of server space and time to code something completely different like that. And choosing the settings is 100% necessary in order to have the very active tournament forum that we have.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby lozzini on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:31 pm

i dont like this either

what if i wanna play a friend?

or teach or be taught by someone?

or maybe, just maybe... chance myself againstr a higher rank
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby danielar on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:40 pm

OK so far the score is 1-3 against, and I'm afraid I'll have to join the majority. I agree with everyone else -- it is simply not worth it. If someone's a multi, in your opinion, just report them. If your case is justified, than the cheater should be busted in no time. I've already done that with one or two people and it worked just fine.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:47 pm

Night Strike wrote:I vote against it. It's one of the occasional downsides of playing on Xbox Live, which is where I'm sure you got the idea from. Plus, it'll probably take a lot of server space and time to code something completely different like that. And choosing the settings is 100% necessary in order to have the very active tournament forum that we have.
never played xbox live. but, it sounds like they have a little inteligence going for them. hahaha. and i said that you get to choose your settings.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:50 pm

danielar wrote:OK so far the score is 1-3 against, and I'm afraid I'll have to join the majority. I agree with everyone else -- it is simply not worth it. If someone's a multi, in your opinion, just report them. If your case is justified, than the cheater should be busted in no time. I've already done that with one or two people and it worked just fine.
but what about the numerous amount of multies that you have not caught ? in the top 100, there are probobly as many cheaters as there are really good players.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby hwhrhett on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:51 pm

the multi problem is different from what you think. yeah it is easy for multis to climb the ladder, but they eventually get to a point where the other people their rank will be able to sniff them out. the higher ranked folks on this site are very good at spotting someone who has a rank that they dont deserve. only 1 person ever made it to the top without being busted, and at that point there had already been a ton of higher ranked players in a dozen different threads that had accused him of it. very few multis ever make it out of stripes i think.

i vote no also.


but if you know of some multis that have not been caught, you should report them.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby The Fuzzy Pengui on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:53 pm

I agree with the other 5...if I want to play friends, in a tournament, or in a clan war I wouldn't be able to. The best part of playing is playing with people you know (especially teaming with the same great group of people).

What you are suggesting seems to me like it will be rejected rather quickly as it would take A TON of recoding to the site and wouldn't be what the majority of people (or at least the majority of people so far) want.

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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby Night Strike on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:55 pm

porkenbeans wrote:and i said that you get to choose your settings.


You haven't gone over to the tournament forums then. A map is part of the settings, and there are many tournaments that run on only 1 or a few maps, not a random choice out of 10.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby alster on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:57 pm

No. It's nice that people have ideas. But this idea - if implemented - would kill off CC in a week.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:10 pm

lozzini wrote:i dont like this either

what if i wanna play a friend?

or teach or be taught by someone?

or maybe, just maybe... chance myself againstr a higher rank
you can still do all 3, in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:14 pm

The Fuzzy Pengui wrote:I agree with the other 5...if I want to play friends, in a tournament, or in a clan war I wouldn't be able to. The best part of playing is playing with people you know (especially teaming with the same great group of people).

What you are suggesting seems to me like it will be rejected rather quickly as it would take A TON of recoding to the site and wouldn't be what the majority of people (or at least the majority of people so far) want.

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you can still play friends in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4. in these games you get to choose your opponents.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:17 pm

alstergren wrote:No. It's nice that people have ideas. But this idea - if implemented - would kill off CC in a week.
please explian.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby The Fuzzy Pengui on Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:20 pm

porkenbeans wrote: you can still play friends in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4. in these games you get to choose your opponents.

If you can still choose your opponents, then why would people just randomly say "sure I'll blindly join a game without knowing who I'm playing against"?
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby delboy01 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:57 am

Its an interesting odea and you deserve some credit for thinking this one up. However, I joined the xigames club to avoid the multi's. We play private games were members are invited to join. Therefore if a multi sets up a private game he can invite himself and advatise the game in callouts.

Better to punish the guilty with perma-bans and score resets. As points are the cheats driving factor.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby barterer2002 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:20 am

I'd also point against this. I have several family members on the site and we like to play against each other occassionally. Sometimes its team format but more often its 4-6 player singles. Our ranks range from captain to cook/cadet and it would be stupid to say that we can't have a nice little family game going.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby lordhaha on Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:29 pm

I have to agree with the majority, however you are right in saying that the multi problem is a lot greater than we think. I have been doing some hunting of my own and have a good few multi's in my sights which I am 95% sure on and will be be posting as soon as I fit the final damning evidence. Some of these multi's are quite high ranking so beware all multi's you are being watched.

1 thing I can not understand about the multies is that, so you reach a higher score!!!! But it means Jack Sh1t, you cheated to get there so you don't get the buzz of doing it on your own. Its not like a bank robbery where you get to spend the proceeds!!!
At the end of the day patting yourself on the back for something you do not deserve.......nah just don't get it sorry :roll: !!!

Being a multi is just admitting you ain't good enough to compete with players better than you and you don't believe you can improve. I feel sorry for you.

I will catch you multi's or cheaters as I prefer to call them, very soon

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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby yeti_c on Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:22 pm

lordhaha wrote:proud of a honest score and rank =D>


Shouldn't that be...

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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby porkenbeans on Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:55 pm

hwhrhett wrote:the multi problem is different from what you think. yeah it is easy for multis to climb the ladder, but they eventually get to a point where the other people their rank will be able to sniff them out. the higher ranked folks on this site are very good at spotting someone who has a rank that they dont deserve. only 1 person ever made it to the top without being busted, and at that point there had already been a ton of higher ranked players in a dozen different threads that had accused him of it. very few multis ever make it out of stripes i think.

i vote no also.


but if you know of some multis that have not been caught, you should report them.
are you kidding me ? you think multies dont get out of stripes ? all a person need do is, open up several accounts on his or hers friends and relitives computers. then join multi-player games with 2 or more seats at the table, if you know what i mean. your % of games won will undoubtedly increase. i am sad to say it, but, cheating is in some humans nature. it is a set fact that a certain % of players on this site are cheats. look at it this way, if only 1 out of every 100 players are multies, that makes over 200 cheaters here at CC. and let me tell you brother, those cheats are indeed gravitating to the top. and NOT, as you suggest, ''very few making it out of stripes''. [-X 8-) you will not fix this flaw in the game, with hunting them down. you will only catch the really stupid ones. and for every one you do catch, countless others will slip by, un-noticed. no, the only way to correct this problem is to make it much harder to cheat. multies are stacking the deck, and i speak for all of us genually good players when i say, this really sucks !!! the extent of this problem is very under-estimated. there are over 20,000 players at CC. thats enough to fill a giant sports arena. ...........THINK. and then give me your sugestion as how to fix it.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby john9blue on Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:06 pm

Even if this happened, people could still choose some obscure map with obscure settings and the odds will be very high that they will be put in the same game together.

Also, this would wreck tournaments, friends playing together, clan wars, and pretty much the entire social aspect of gameplay. Sorry, man, but there's no way this is going to happen. :?
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby Night Strike on Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:24 pm

The problem is that your solution to stopping multis is a detriment to the 90% of the people on the site who don't cheat. When you look at the business stand point, the current method is 100% better than what you're proposing.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby porkenbeans on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:35 am

john9blue wrote:Even if this happened, people could still choose some obscure map with obscure settings and the odds will be very high that they will be put in the same game together.

Also, this would wreck tournaments, friends playing together, clan wars, and pretty much the entire social aspect of gameplay. Sorry, man, but there's no way this is going to happen. :?
yes, they could do that, but there number of games that they would be able to stack the deck on, would be drasticly reduced. thus moving them down the ladder where they belong. and, by the way , moving you up the ladder,that is if you are not a cheater. i realize that a lot would change at CC, but the integrety of the game is more important than the temp. discompfort we will endure. on the bright side, you would still be able to choose your opponents in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4 games. and for those that are still intent on choosing there oponents, there could be a no points option. where you could set up any kind of game you want. but, no points are won or lost. so think about it, if you are not a cheater, you will, i repeat, you will benifit, and your rank will reflect that. also, if you think about it, there might even be unforseen advanteges. you just might start making new friends as you will be pitted against players with the same settings as your self. and you will enveriably see your old CC friends often. CC is no longer just a quant little web site. we are over 20,000 strong, and growing at a rate of nearly 1,000 per month. they would have to bust at least 10 multies a month just to keep up with the new cheats coming on board. and let me finish by saying that you have been cheated and dont even know it. because, only the really stupid multies are caught. i am smart enough that i know that i wouldnt get caught, so im sure that there are plenty of others that are just as, or smarter than i.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby porkenbeans on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:41 am

Night Strike wrote:The problem is that your solution to stopping multis is a detriment to the 90% of the people on the site who don't cheat. When you look at the business stand point, the current method is 100% better than what you're proposing.
the buisness standpoint would in fact be inhanced. as people would have more confidence in the integrity of this site. as it is now, pro. wrestling has more integrity.
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Re: HOW TO FIX major flaw in conseption of CC.

Postby Night Strike on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:50 am

porkenbeans wrote:CC is no longer just a quant little web site. we are over 20,000 strong, and growing at a rate of nearly 1,000 per month. they would have to bust at least 10 multies a month just to keep up with the new cheats coming on board.


You really don't get over to the Cheating and Abuse forum do you?? There are easily 10 multis busted in a single week. The current method of users posting cheaters is very effective at catching many of them. Their are methods that the Hunters and the Admins use that no one else know about to catch multis that no one has ever reported. There are others who if they don't get caught, eventually make a slip up and are exposed. If you've been having problems playing in games against multis, pay the $25 so you can make private games and play with only people who you already know. Believe me, this idea is not going to work as a full site change. It might be decent as optional play, but making it mandatory is going to kill so many things that many people have consistently brought up.

porkenbeans wrote:the buisness standpoint would in fact be inhanced. as people would have more confidence in the integrity of this site. as it is now, pro. wrestling has more integrity.


This site is already much better than many of the other online gaming sites (from what I've been told). You show everybody a site that has better multi busting than CC does, and then use that method to make some suggestions here.
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