I can't win

by **wrestler1ump** on Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:55 pm

I used to be a Lieutenant with the old scoring system. After I got stuck playing too many singles speed games at one time, my ranking went down to cook and I haven't been able to bring it up ever since. I got my ranking above 1800 by playing a lot of casual terminator games, but that takes way too long to join so many games and play them all. Any other advice for how I can win multiplayer speed games on either flat rate or escalating cards?

by **lord voldemort** on Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:56 pm

get good??

by **stringybeany** on Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:00 pm

Don't play the settings that killed you and your score should go up. Once it's back up, then you can try them again.

by **detlef** on Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:01 pm

wrestler1ump wrote:I used to be a Lieutenant with the old scoring system. After I got stuck playing too many singles speed games at one time, my ranking went down to cook and I haven't been able to bring it up ever since. I got my ranking above 1800 by playing a lot of casual terminator games, but that takes way too long to join so many games and play them all. Any other advice for how I can win multiplayer speed games on either flat rate or escalating cards?

Take Oceania, I hear it pays more than it should.

by **poo-maker** on Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:01 pm

Tell you what whump.... If you want, i'll give you some tips on 2 player games. You should be able to get your points back up...

Btw, i'm totally serious. Pm me if you want some tips... You can then start a game and i'll send you pm's with what i think you should do. I think it would be helpful.

by **wacicha** on Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:03 pm

And of course there is the cook school

by **bob3603** on Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:07 pm

For starters you could play only 1 speed game at a time.

by **bbqpenguin** on Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:38 pm

detlef wrote:Take Oceania, I hear it pays more than it should.

by **Iliad** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:28 am

love all the subtle references

And some of the unsubtle ones

by **Pedronicus** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:04 am

wrestler1ump wrote:I used to be a Lieutenant with the old scoring system. After I got stuck playing too many singles speed games at one time, my ranking went down to cook and I haven't been able to bring it up ever since. I got my ranking above 1800 by playing a lot of casual terminator games, but that takes way too long to join so many games and play them all. Any other advice for how I can win multiplayer speed games on either flat rate or escalating cards?

Are you really this stupid?
You lost points in playing 2 player speed games.
The answer to you question is simple. Stop playing the games that lost you points.

An old Tommy Cooper Joke:
I went to the doctor the other day,
I said 'it hurts when I do that'
he said ' well don't do it'

by **AAFitz** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:23 am

i pmed you a game on my settings... youll stay on my ignore, so dont bother chatting, but feel free to give it a shot...however.. i win maybe 80% on these settings...you can see what I do, and maybe give it a shot... maybe it will work for you..either way good luck.. if you choose not to play the game, no problem.

by **oVo** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:40 am

by **kalishnikov** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:00 am

wrestler1ump wrote:I used to be a Lieutenant with the old scoring system. After I got stuck playing too many singles speed games at one time, my ranking went down to cook and I haven't been able to bring it up ever since. I got my ranking above 1800 by playing a lot of casual terminator games, but that takes way too long to join so many games and play them all. Any other advice for how I can win multiplayer speed games on either flat rate or escalating cards?

Ah, I hate to say it like this but consider learning how to play...

Consider freestyle casual games, they are slower then speed games but faster then causal sequential.

The only reason your ass ever made it as high as you were was because Prowly drug you there by playing dubs with him, don't fool yourself into thinking you're a great player because you're not (neither am I, I'm not saying I'm better). People like us, mediocre players, have to find our niche and play the shit out of it (my niche is No cards, chained, sequential) or be one of them trips whores that play nothing but 50 triples games at a time. Find something you are good at and play it, is all I'm saying.

I'd refer you to this thing we used to have called the Mentor Program but some inactive asshole hasn't updated it in awhile because he's been busy... :mrgreen:

by **gdeangel** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:19 am

Play Age of Reamls: Might 1v1 ... if you figure out the dominant strategy, you'll easily make Ltn again... I've seen someone get as high a Major (by the new breakpoints) using this tactic, and they were freemium (it's not me though ... that'd be to easy IMHO... no challenge).

by **mightyleemoon** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:33 am

Find other people who can't win and play them.

Someone's luck will have to change...

by **detlef** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:33 am

kalishnikov wrote:
wrestler1ump wrote:I used to be a Lieutenant with the old scoring system. After I got stuck playing too many singles speed games at one time, my ranking went down to cook and I haven't been able to bring it up ever since. I got my ranking above 1800 by playing a lot of casual terminator games, but that takes way too long to join so many games and play them all. Any other advice for how I can win multiplayer speed games on either flat rate or escalating cards?

Ah, I hate to say it like this but consider learning how to play...

Consider freestyle casual games, they are slower then speed games but faster then causal sequential.

The only reason your ass ever made it as high as you were was because Prowly drug you there by playing dubs with him, don't fool yourself into thinking you're a great player because you're not (neither am I, I'm not saying I'm better). People like us, mediocre players, have to find our niche and play the shit out of it (my niche is No cards, chained, sequential) or be one of them trips whores that play nothing but 50 triples games at a time. Find something you are good at and play it, is all I'm saying.

I'd refer you to this thing we used to have called the Mentor Program but some inactive asshole hasn't updated it in awhile because he's been busy...

I'm rather certain that anyone can advance above 1000 by simply paying attention and avoiding fringe formats that are rife with the specialists you speak of. Treading water at 1000 simply means that you win as often as you're "supposed to" vs players of a rank no higher than you. That is the definition of "mediocre". Those who fail to even win that often while playing "normal formats" ie: multi player, standard maps, no fog are not mediocre, they're poor. They fail to grasp the most basic strategies and are prone to silly mistakes born from not paying attention. They go on needless attacks "because they're bored". They leave themselves open for elimination by opening up large and previously buried armies of the stronger players. They attack other weaker players while one player grows uncomfortably strong. Those sorts of things. These are not the things that separate good players from mediocre ones. These are basic things that you simply have to understand or you will consistently lose.

By my guess, and that is based on wrestlers inclination to base his poor results on pretty much anything but the fact that he's making mistakes is that these are the sorts of things he's doing. No specialization with regards to settings is going to change the fact that you need to think to win.

Sorry to sound like a prick, but you just need to start paying attention. There's no silver bullet beyond that to get out of the dungeon. Just stop doing the things that make you lose time and again. Stop being the guy who hands the game to the winner. Stop being the guy who gets knocked out early. The first step to being the last man standing is being among the last few standing. This may seem comically obvious but it's a major freaking step to winning games. There's a group of guys that I joined the site with and we play a lot of private games amongst ourselves. Some of us are higher ranks, others are not. It is uncanny how often the few of us with higher ranks are among the final 3 on the board. This isn't because of some BS pact we have with each other and it is not to the exclusion of the others entirely. It's just how it tends to work out.

Survive and advance. If you're not playing escalating, don't worry about taking guys out. Chances are, you're just doing somebody else's dirty work. Be the guy who waits for somebody else to waste themselves against the board.

It's really pretty simple logic.

by **wrestler1ump** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:45 am

Thank you to all of you who offered advice on how I can get my ranking up. I especially appreciate AAfitz and poomaker helping me in games. detlef was correct in mentioning that Oceana pays more than it should- I always try for Oceana first when on classic, but for some reason I keep on losing even when I capture it!

One thing. I did not get up to 1800 points because Prowler carried me along. We only played 4 or 5 doubles games together, and I don't think we won all of them. I'm not even that good at doubles anyways. It was the 8 player terminator games that did it for me. I'm going to be playing some more of those, but it's frustrating because eventually I simply cannot win a lot of points playing them.

by **firth4eva** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:52 am

You actually seemed ok on that AoM game we played. Maybe you should try that? Or just play doodle earth assassin speed. Easy fast way to gain points for lower ranks and you can stop when you have enough.

by **Larry Mal** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:34 pm

Who gives a shit? You play alright, Wrassla... I know the other day I was drunk and accused you of trying to rile everyone up on purpose for sick reasons of your own, but I didn't mean it, I think you play good- you beat me, but that doesn't make much of an accomplishment in and of itself.

You'll be back on top! I say just play for the fun of it, try to make some new friends when you can, remember to make love to the woman the way she actually likes once in a damn while, and let the rest fall into place.

by **protectedbygold** on Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:50 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:Find other people who can't win and play them.

Someone's luck will have to change...

and then put everyone else on conquer club who CAN win on your foe list

by **xxtig12683xx** on Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:19 am

wrestler1ump wrote:Thank you to all of you who offered advice on how I can get my ranking up. I especially appreciate AAfitz and poomaker helping me in games. detlef was correct in mentioning that Oceana pays more than it should- I always try for Oceana first when on classic, but for some reason I keep on losing even when I capture it!

One thing. I did not get up to 1800 points because Prowler carried me along. We only played 4 or 5 doubles games together, and I don't think we won all of them. I'm not even that good at doubles anyways. It was the 8 player terminator games that did it for me. I'm going to be playing some more of those, but it's frustrating because eventually I simply cannot win a lot of points playing them.

lol theres half your problem, games are not all about just getting and holding bonuses, my guess is that you expend too many armies trying to get bonuses that you prolly should have had no business trying to get in the first place.

-tig