Is it a reasonable expectation

[detlef]

name calling is only going to get you a slap on the wrist from the mods, and make people stop reading any of your posts in a serious light. you lower the level of discourse and discussion when you stoop to name calling and making assumptions about other people.

Perhaps you should educate your clan buddy in this regard. In the week or so I've been here, he seems to be routinely inflammatory. You could say his "modicum of intelligence" comment started it in this thread.

detlef is a successful restaurant owner that works hard and plays CC with his real life friends for a bit of relaxation.

So? Doesn't mean he has it together when it comes to posting in the forums.

calling him names, when you don't even know him, just shows that you are not capable of a mature conversation/discussion, in which someone does not agree with you. the GD is not for name calling or flaming. i suggest you take a deep breath and think before you take this thread in the wrong direction. you have embarrassed yourself.-0

I asked him to be more explicit about what the hell he was talking about, and I got a snarky comment in return. This isn't a formal debate, I don't have a problem stooping to someone else's level.

Dude, yer bumming my high.

See? He can't resist being a bitch.

OK, let's talk about making sense. So you say your mind wasn't made up going into this...

Here's a recap:

"Hey guys, is it right to think the way I do about this?"

No, here's why...
No, here's why...
No, here's why...
No, here's why...

"Really guys, you're not convincing me here. I feel this way and want to know if I'm right"

No, here's why...
No, here's why...
No, here's why...
repeat, repeat, repeat.

"Aside from a few of you getting hung up on the rules, I'm just not seeing why I'm not right. Oh, here's someone who agrees with me! OK, great, thanks for coming everyone."

So, forgive me if I determined that you were thick headed and just resorted to poking you with a stick but what exactly was your point? To post your opinion and wade through a sea of people who said you're wrong until you found one person to agree with? Well, congrats. Mission Accomplished.

[detlef]

Dude, yer bumming my high.

See? He can't resist being a bitch.

that was in response to your calling him a stoner, and it's funny... and you have yet to learn that
name calling is not par in the GD. now you call him a "bitch"? i hope a mod sees this thread and you are politely asked to refrain from flaming. and detlef may make inflammatory comments, but they are always on topic, always his opinion, always well worded, and he does not name call. perhaps you should take some notes. oh, and buy premium if you expect to play real time speed games with members.-0

:Clearing throat: Let's not get carried away here.

[cre8tiff]

Dude, yer bumming my high.

See? He can't resist being a bitch.

that was in response to your calling him a stoner, and it's funny... and you have yet to learn that
name calling is not par in the GD. now you call him a "bitch"? i hope a mod sees this thread and you are politely asked to refrain from flaming. and detlef may make inflammatory comments, but they are always on topic, always his opinion, always well worded, and he does not name call. perhaps you should take some notes. oh, and buy premium if you expect to play real time speed games with members.-0

:Clearing throat: Let's not get carried away here.

I know Detlef, and ummm...

Well, let's just say you can't be sued for slander, if it's factual.

[Thezzaruz]

When I join a 1v1 freestyle game, that the player will take their turn more frequently than every 22 hrs or so?

Well in response to the original question I'd say YES, most people do mostly take their turns more often than what they are required to. But some don't as you have found...

As to the discussion about the ratings I would most likely award 2 stars to a user that always uses the full 24 hours to make his move while a player that makes their move at the same time (or just about) every day would/will get 3 stars.

[Timminz]

As to the discussion about the ratings I would most likely award 2 stars to a user that always uses the full 24 hours to make his move while a player that makes their move at the same time (or just about) every day would/will get 3 stars.

Depending on the situation, those could be describing the same person.

[PLAYER57832]

What all this argument (oops .. discussion) really says is that there is no one standard, no one set of ideas about even what makes "good" play, never mind how to rate.

[gloryordeath]

it is a 24 hour time period to take your turn. It is a pain as a freemium member I know. But that is how the powers get us. I was freemium for about a day back in 2006. It is not something I want to be again.

i think i lasted almost a week and went buck wild! simpler days where have you gone?

[Deltron]

that was in response to your calling him a stoner, and it's funny... and you have yet to learn that
name calling is not par in the GD. now you call him a "bitch"? i hope a mod sees this thread and you are politely asked to refrain from flaming. and detlef may make inflammatory comments, but they are always on topic, always his opinion, always well worded, and he does not name call. perhaps you should take some notes. oh, and buy premium if you expect to play real time speed games with members.-0

Sorry, but no, they are not always on topic. The reply to the stoner comment added nothing to the thread. It might have been on topic to a comment I made, but it certainly wasn't on thread topic. Trying to make the distinction between actual name calling and what detlef does is a waste of time as they are both outside the realm of GD as defined by the rule makers. And besides, are you a softy or something? You've spent several posts now whining about stoner, monkey, and bitch. Should I get you a pillow for your vagina, because it seems to be rather sore.

"Hey guys, is it right to think the way I do about this?"

No, here's why...
No, here's why...
No, here's why...
No, here's why...

"Really guys, you're not convincing me here. I feel this way and want to know if I'm right"

No, here's why...
No, here's why...
No, here's why...
repeat, repeat, repeat.

"Aside from a few of you getting hung up on the rules, I'm just not seeing why I'm not right. Oh, here's someone who agrees with me! OK, great, thanks for coming everyone."

I'm sorry pal, if you weren't so thickheaded, you'd get it. You're opinion is, the rules are the rules. My opinion is, what is reality? The reality is the majority of players that are selecting a freestyle game want to play them more frequently than the sequential setting. Everyone that replied like you said the same thing. Perhaps, their opinion of what exactly "expectation" means is the problem. If I wanted to rehash what the rules of the site were, I would have made that thread. I figured it was a bit intuitive from the first post what was meant. Zimmah got it. Several others got it. Please cling to your rules is the rules argument if you like, I'll keep rating those folks who are below average, below average.

[detlef]

I'm sorry pal, if you weren't so thickheaded, you'd get it. You're opinion is, the rules are the rules. My opinion is, what is reality? The reality is the majority of players that are selecting a freestyle game want to play them more frequently than the sequential setting. Everyone that replied like you said the same thing. Perhaps, their opinion of what exactly "expectation" means is the problem. If I wanted to rehash what the rules of the site were, I would have made that thread. I figured it was a bit intuitive from the first post what was meant. Zimmah got it. Several others got it. Please cling to your rules is the rules argument if you like, I'll keep rating those folks who are below average, below average.

So explain again how this doesn't mean your mind was made up?

[owenshooter]

I figured it was a bit intuitive from the first post what was meant. Zimmah got it. Several others got it. Please cling to your rules is the rules argument if you like, I'll keep rating those folks who are below average, below average.

um... show me the several others, please. i did not see ONE PERSON aside from zimmah, agree with you. and he was pretty much just arguing to put forth his insane beliefs on the new rating system. freestyle sequential is not sequential speed, and you should have no expectation of a speed or R/T game, since you are neither a premium nor did you set up the game as such.

your mind was made up when you started this thread. you were not asking a question. you were looking for validation. well guess what, one person, WITH AN AGENDA, agreed with you. that was it. show me the "OTHERS", i am begging you. and on a side note, here is a great argument for freemiums not being able to leave stars for players. you have guys like this, wanting to leave 2 stars, for a player doing nothing wrong. it is ridiculous. the player did nothing wrong, you had unrealistic expectations. if you want to play R/T games, go to callouts and find someone looking for a R/T game... it is that simple. otherwise, you should truly stop complaining that someone is following the rules, because you are unwilling to pay $25 for membership.-0

[Evil Semp]

You haven't convinced me it isn't a reasonable expectation. I played nearly 15 1v1 freestyle games where I played frequently and my opponent did. This is what I expected out of freestyle when I started and was happily rewarded. I'm not sure why anyone else would expect different. Now, games have ground to a halt. If I wanted 24 hrs between turns, I would have picked sequential games. Please don't try to sell me on the rules and the fact that it is a 24 hour limit, expectations != letter of law. I might get around to premium, but I'm not exactly interested in 5 minute games.

I have played some freestyle and I expected my opponents to take a turn once every 24 hours. I don't know why anyone else would expect different.

If someone I was playing a freestyle game against consistently played their turns 15 minutes after me, should I give them a 1 or a 2 because I thought they were trying to make it into a
speed game?

[Thezzaruz]

I have played some freestyle and I expected my opponents to take a turn once every 24 hours. I don't know why anyone else would expect different.

If the game was announced and set up via the callout forum as a RT game then I would expect players to play it as a RT game, even though they are allowed 24 hours a round. Any other game I would expect 12-18 hours per player but I wouldn't get pissed if they took longer.

As to the discussion about the ratings I would most likely award 2 stars to a user that always uses the full 24 hours to make his move while a player that makes their move at the same time (or just about) every day would/will get 3 stars.

Depending on the situation, those could be describing the same person.

Yea they could but rarely unless I start adjusting to the opponents punctual move making time of day. That would still be a 3 btw.

[oVo]

Deltron, it is not a reasonable expectation to think your opponant will take his moves quicker just because it is a 1v1 freestyle game. The only difference between freestyle and standard is that all players have the ability to take their turns simultaneously if they choose, it isn't about how much time expires between turns. Your high expectations and lack of patience is not the "letter of the law" but having 24 hours in which to take your turn is.

The ratings category is called attendence, not tardy or slow poke. If a player doesn't miss turns why should they be marked down at all? It's quite possible that missing a few turns over the course of a game is "normal" because occassionally life does interfere with gameplay and can be considered "average" which by zimmah's standards should rate a minimum of 3, with 4 reserved for above average and 5 awarded to exceptionally quick over achievers.

btw... zimmah, I give your ratings criteria a 2, as I find it's logic still has room for improvement.

[Deltron]

um... show me the several others, please. i did not see ONE PERSON aside from zimmah, agree with you.

Sorry, I thought 1 person other than zimmah on 1 or 2 was in agreement. But, there was a person on page 4

Well in response to the original question I'd say YES, most people do mostly take their turns more often than what they are required to. But some don't as you have found...

freestyle sequential

Is this an option available to premium? I don't see it in my options for start a game.

your mind was made up when you started this thread. you were not asking a question.

I had a position and was looking for strong arguments against. A rehashing of the rules isn't much of an argument to me when my question was about expectations. Since several folks seem to have trouble with the terminology, lets explore it.
From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expectation
1: the act or state of expecting : anticipation <in expectation of what would happen>2 a: something expected <not up to expectations> <expectations for an economic recovery> b: basis for expecting : assurance <they have every expectation of success>

After playing 15 games with frequent turn takers, I had an expectation that additional 1v1 freestylers would be as speedy. This thread was made basically to ask those who have been here for awhile, what the norm is for this site. It was not made for you to re-tell me what the rules are and to tell me that someone who takes 1 turn in a 24 hr period is within the rules. Perhaps your point is that if a rule is a rule, then I should expect no more than what that rule allows, but this isn't a court of law, and my question and thread wasn't about what the rules state. Two others that aren't so obtuse as the rule echoers have indicated that the norm for this site is to take more turns than 1 in a 24 hr period. For the 4-5 that retold the rules, it would be interesting to hear what their experience is with freestyle games, not what the rules are.

otherwise, you should truly stop complaining that someone is following the rules, because you are unwilling to pay $25 for membership.-0

follow the rules follow the rules, blech blech blech. You are perhaps one of the most square individuals I've ever encountered on a message board forum. Chill out bro.

[Optimus Prime]

not if you take your turns each time and use the time given to you within the rules.

rules or no rules, slow players are still below average whether they use the time they have by the rules or not. i think there should be a seperation between slow and fast players. either way it's considered below average no matter what the rules say. it's a fact, you can't deny that. unless of course 60% of the community takes 20 hours to take turns, which is not the case!

I didn't make it back to this thread because of various reasons, but this statement right here is why you just made it on to my Foe List, zimmah, and you will stay there until you give me a legitimate reason to remove you from it. I didn't quote your entire post, but to consider giving someone a 3 in attendance after they have missed turns, no matter how few as average, and then give someone a 2 because they played at a speed you subjectively define as slow is a complete load of bullshit and you know it. If I play ever single turn, and someone else misses turns, according to common sense, I should have a high rating than them for attendance. *shakes head in complete disbelief that this is even being discussed as legitimate*

Taking 20 hours to take my turn doesn't make me "below average", it means I'm playing the game the way it was designed to be played, casually. I know this isn't the case for everyone, but I do a lot of work for this site, so I'm not logged on to take turns all the time, but rather to work on other things. Sometimes I take my turns in 5 hours, sometimes in 23. It all has to do with the day and what project I'm working on.

I'm not going to allow you into any of my games if you are going to rate me for attendance with such blatant stupidity.

[detlef]

um... show me the several others, please. i did not see ONE PERSON aside from zimmah, agree with you.

Sorry, I thought 1 person other than zimmah on 1 or 2 was in agreement. But, there was a person on page 4

Well in response to the original question I'd say YES, most people do mostly take their turns more often than what they are required to. But some don't as you have found...

freestyle sequential

Is this an option available to premium? I don't see it in my options for start a game.

your mind was made up when you started this thread. you were not asking a question.

I had a position and was looking for strong arguments against. A rehashing of the rules isn't much of an argument to me when my question was about expectations. Since several folks seem to have trouble with the terminology, lets explore it.
From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expectation
1: the act or state of expecting : anticipation <in expectation of what would happen>2 a: something expected <not up to expectations> <expectations for an economic recovery> b: basis for expecting : assurance <they have every expectation of success>

After playing 15 games with frequent turn takers, I had an expectation that additional 1v1 freestylers would be as speedy. This thread was made basically to ask those who have been here for awhile, what the norm is for this site. It was not made for you to re-tell me what the rules are and to tell me that someone who takes 1 turn in a 24 hr period is within the rules. Perhaps your point is that if a rule is a rule, then I should expect no more than what that rule allows, but this isn't a court of law, and my question and thread wasn't about what the rules state. Two others that aren't so obtuse as the rule echoers have indicated that the norm for this site is to take more turns than 1 in a 24 hr period. For the 4-5 that retold the rules, it would be interesting to hear what their experience is with freestyle games, not what the rules are.

otherwise, you should truly stop complaining that someone is following the rules, because you are unwilling to pay $25 for membership.-0

follow the rules follow the rules, blech blech blech. You are perhaps one of the most square individuals I've ever encountered on a message board forum. Chill out bro.

First off, I believe that freestyle sequential thing was a typo. Move along.

Now, if you want to refer to two people as "several", be my guest but that's hardly the norm, especially when there are plenty more than that who disagree. Stretches like that sort of undermine your credibility.

Now, again with the rules. You can write that argument off but it doesn't change one very basic fact. You came here looking for validation for being disappointed that a player didn't play as quickly as you would have liked. Our point by showing that he didn't break any rules was that reflects on your lack of patience more than any failures on his part. There is no obligation to play freestyle any faster than any other game and if you didn't agree that this game was to be played RT, then you're expecting someone to honor an agreement that was never made. That is a you problem, not a him problem.

Further, that you imply that he shouldn't join freestyle if he's going to play that slowly further illustrates this. If freestyle was intended to be a faster game style, then the turn times would be shorter. Thing is, they're not. It's really that simple.

Oh, and you can stop with the "I've played 15 games" bit. That's really not a whole lot in the big picture.

Lastly, it is possible to be correct about the fact most players make their moves faster than 22 hours and still be wrong about being dissatisfied with somebody who doesn't.

[PLAYER57832]

Consider some of the other feedback options (in Suggs and Bugs) as a possible solution to this whole issue.

[Thezzaruz]

Well in response to the original question I'd say YES, most people do mostly take their turns more often than what they are required to. But some don't as you have found...

freestyle sequential

Is this an option available to premium? I don't see it in my options for start a game.

So either you quoted me and forgot to ask a question, or you want me to respond to the "freestyle sequential" thing that I didn't post... Either way, care to explain as I don't get it???