Unique Opponents

[Thezzaruz]

Please read the new Score, Ranking and Medals section of the Instructions

Well the discussion was more about if we thought the way it works is good or not, not about how it works. It feels a bit backwards but if it helps with the coding then so be it.

[gdeangel]

If you really want to get carried away, terminator medal should be counting only the games where you took away more points on the table than anyone else. In an 8 player of all equal score, if you take 140 points and lose 20 (i.e., not last man standing), how can you not get credit for that. The idiot who picked you off at the end for a measly 20 points gets the medal credit... It's also no great accomplishment to walk off a terminator game with 1 kill, so you can't count everyone that you've taken out toward a medal... that would be equally lame.

Coding wise, I don't see why you'd even thing that playing different opponents is relevant. More relevant would be getting over X terminator games where the number of people you've cleared exceeds some very respectable number, like, say, 5-6. That would mean something then to get this medal...

[detlef]

If you really want to get carried away, terminator medal should be counting only the games where you took away more points on the table than anyone else. In an 8 player of all equal score, if you take 140 points and lose 20 (i.e., not last man standing), how can you not get credit for that. The idiot who picked you off at the end for a measly 20 points gets the medal credit... It's also no great accomplishment to walk off a terminator game with 1 kill, so you can't count everyone that you've taken out toward a medal... that would be equally lame.

Coding wise, I don't see why you'd even thing that playing different opponents is relevant. More relevant would be getting over X terminator games where the number of people you've cleared exceeds some very respectable number, like, say, 5-6. That would mean something then to get this medal...

Funny, the "idiot" you speak of is the only guy who didn't "lose".

Once again, I would love to see even one non-staged game where somebody took out 5 or 6 guys in a terminator game only to then be eliminated. Of course, for this argument to hold any water at all, it would need to happen even barely often.

Like I said before, everyone loves to refer to this happening, but odds just don't support it.

[Thezzaruz]

Funny, the "idiot" you speak of is the only guy who didn't "lose".

Well as the object of a terminator game is to eliminate opponents the one eliminating 6 opponents clearly did better than the one eliminating just 1. The concept of winning or losing is quite irrelevant in a terminator game.

Once again, I would love to see even one non-staged game where somebody took out 5 or 6 guys in a terminator game only to then be eliminated. Of course, for this argument to hold any water at all, it would need to happen even barely often.

It happens, especially if you play non-escalating terminator games. But IMO the frequency of it happening is of no relevance here, it's about acieving the objective or not and be awarded for it in the proper way.

[detlef]

Funny, the "idiot" you speak of is the only guy who didn't "lose".

Well as the object of a terminator game is to eliminate opponents the one eliminating 6 opponents clearly did better than the one eliminating just 1. The concept of winning or losing is quite irrelevant in a terminator game.

Once again, I would love to see even one non-staged game where somebody took out 5 or 6 guys in a terminator game only to then be eliminated. Of course, for this argument to hold any water at all, it would need to happen even barely often.

It happens, especially if you play non-escalating terminator games. But IMO the frequency of it happening is of no relevance here, it's about acieving the objective or not and be awarded for it in the proper way.

From the CC instructions page:

In a terminator game you get points for the players that you eliminate.

That's it. It doesn't imply who is the "winner" or even "Idiot". Simply that you get points for guys you eliminate rather than winner take all. How then, are players not being awarded in the proper way? Do they or do they not get the points?

It is all a matter of perspective as I've always viewed terminator as nothing more than a format that divides up the winnings (well at least potentially) rather than confusing the issue of who wins. Of course, it doesn't hurt that I've also found that an overwhelming number of times the last man standing also happens to be the one with best point gain in the game. As uncool as it may seem, I'm rather certain that this would hold true if any of you guys bothered to go back and look at your terminator games (as I did with the guy who initiated your line of argument).

In every game I play (and I don't play assassin btw), it is my ultimate goal to be the last man standing. To me, that is and should be the goal of a world domination game, to dominate the world. It seems that others are inclined to recklessly attempt take-outs trying to be the guy who gains net points without actually winning the game. Of course, it also seems that certain players chase inside straights in poker...

Actually, if you're smart about it, you can use this fact to help you in terminator games. Everyone else is drunk on the notion of grabbing each other's points, so there's no format where it makes more sense to lay back and watch the carnage and then sweep up the crumbs at the end. Assuming it's not escalating so the aggressive play is not rewarded with valuable cards, the worst thing that will happen to the "idiot" is that he merely gets the points of one player. More likely, however, is that he's going to be able to scoop up a few players who weakened themselves.

So, the fact that you guys insist upon bringing up a hugely unlikely scenario to validate your point is very relevant indeed. Because that seems to be the basis of your argument. So much so that one who shares your stance actually pretended this happened when, in fact, it didn't.

[Thezzaruz]

Of course, it doesn't hurt that I've also found that an overwhelming number of times the last man standing also happens to be the one with best point gain in the game.

Oh I don't doubt that for a moment. However that doesn't detract anything from the fact that each opponent you eliminate in a terminator game don't count as defeated (for the purpose of medals) unless you also is the last one standing in said game even though you've already been given the points for defeating him.

[detlef]

Of course, it doesn't hurt that I've also found that an overwhelming number of times the last man standing also happens to be the one with best point gain in the game.

Oh I don't doubt that for a moment. However that doesn't detract anything from the fact that each opponent you eliminate in a terminator game don't count as defeated (for the purpose of medals) unless you also is the last one standing in said game even though you've already been given the points for defeating him.

Well, I'll give you this much. The wording of how medals are earned does imply what you're saying. X number of unique players defeated... I mean, if you eliminate me, one could certain argue that you defeated me.

On the other hand, if, like me you simply see the way the points are awarded as simply being consolation prizes for those who didn't manage to win but did take somebody out along the way than only one player "defeated" anyone. That being the only player who was never, himself, eliminated.

None the less, I can see your point but am still inclined to agree with Lack here.

[Thezzaruz]

one question though, if u elim the last player in a 8 player term game. then do u only get credit for eliminating that 1 player or do u get credit for 7 players since u won the game?

Thought I should up this thread as jako's question still would like an answer.

[owenshooter]

one question though, if u elim the last player in a 8 player term game. then do u only get credit for eliminating that 1 player or do u get credit for 7 players since u won the game?

Thought I should up this thread as jako's question still would like an answer.

it is a bump, period. the OP had his question answered. if jako needs something answered, he can go to Q&A with it... bumpity bump bump, goes the forum the past few days with questions on the new system... sigh...-0

[Thezzaruz]

Had to much sugar again owen???


jako's question is closely related to the OP's question so why shouldn't it also deserve an answer?


And yea it was a *bump*, but then again so is this...