Chariot of Fire wrote:Shannon Apple wrote:Sorry Crown, while I thought what you did was hilarious and took time to achieve, it was gross manipulation and took advantage of your position as leader of your clan.
Josko has been playing his turns as he would have anyway. He didn't drop and end in any games, just played some faster than others, but all within the allowed 24 hours, plus all of the people that he played against were high ranking players. i can't see how you can compare what you did to how he played. He had to be good to win those games in the first place since most of those players were pretty damn good. He also lost a lot more points than he gained from those games because the drops were higher once he got up there. His score should be somewhere nearer to the 5k mark. He could have farmed his favourite map and settings, but he didn't. That's why I respect him as a player. He's conquerer because he deserves to be and earned his position. When you did that crazy thing you did, you didn't deserve the medal. I can't believe you're comparing.
As I said, it needs to be removed for other reasons. Mainly the point dumpers who drop their score at the end of every month and most of who wind up banned. They're morons and the temptation shouldn't be there for them in the first place. Then there's the other morons who join those games to get 100s of free points.
I would love to agree with you (and for all I know maybe many do) but it wasn't quite as cut and dry as you suggest. If you look at the time stamps in
Game 13900182,
Game 13900095 &
Game 13900094 you'll see Josko's faithful sidekick Moonchild assisted in the artificial points hike. How? By taking his turns 23'56" after the preceding one in games he was due to win, and just a few minutes after the preceding one in the game he was destined to lose.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but had that been any ordinary player then he/she would have played all three turns when they fell due. What this was though was a purposeful collaboration between two players to speed up or slow down the pace of each game.
To their credit they played it honestly as far as the outcome is concerned, but there's no refuting the fact there was collaboration to create an artificial high score.
Josko's a fine player - indeed one of the very best on certain settings to grace this site - yet it's his method of reaching a pinnacle (as per TheCrown) that doesn't warrant too much acclaim.
Whatever he did on his turns was his own choice. I let him know what I will do only with my turns and what he will do with his turns was completely his choice. Whether he chose 24 hour turns on 1 minute turns, it was completely up to his choice, it was not my request. Finally, from his games I increased my score for 7 points
See for example
Game 13884539 or
Game 13884017 which were vs italianipastido and sjnap who are also my clanmates like Moonchild. They were also aware what I am doing with my turns and why, but they played their turns very fast while I was doing 24 hour turns. Their free choice of timing turns was different than Moonchild's and I did not have problem with that, everyone could freely choose how they will play their turns without collaboration with me.
On the day when I was on high score I also received some pms from non clan members who realised what I am doing and who asked if they should delay ending of our games which were their wins. All what I replied to anyone is what they will do with their turns is completely their choice and that I do not ask for any cooperation in my run.
Also, if I am aware at any time in any game that my opponent is in run for personal high score, I would gladly slow my winning turns. In one way I do not make his once-in-a-life run harder, and in other way there will be more points for me later when I beat him with higher score. It is legal right of every player to determine timing of his own turns so choice for doing that in his 24 hours is very logical for the other player too. If misses happen while doing that then it may be abuse, otherwise it is just smart using of your own time. Everyone who joins 24 hour game should be aware that turns may last 24 hours.
Time is important factor of this game. For example, many freestyle players win their games because they know better how to smart use their time than their opponents, and nobody has ever seen problem in that, if someone dislike that fact he is not forced to play freestyle games. What I did is just a new example about how to smart use your own time.
In past, many players did this and is still doing this.this can be easy checked by map ranking vast majority of players on the time when they have achieved their personal high score. In vast majority of cases it will be found pattern of long winning streak followed by high score and then smaller or longer streak of mostly losing games.
