lt.pie found out password

[maxatstuy]

What do they have to boast about? They illegally joined a game thinking "Oh, let us show these farmers what they are really made of", and then they get pwned. UTTER FAIL. And I actually enjoy responding to all the posts in this thread, since most of what they say are garbage. It is kinda fun smashing them down.

Cutting out all the crap, all that game shows is that TFG knows how to play freestyle very well, which we already knew.

It did sadden me to see my clan mates so confident about that game. I had to put a sad face in our forum, and say that they would lose to the infamous "double turn". I would know, I was once burned in that exact setting. And sure enough, that's exactly what happened.

However, we both know that game would be very different in a sequential setting. Not a 3 rounder, that's for sure... Being the logical person that you are, you must concede this point.

They joined that game thinking they could easily defeat us, and as a result, they waited for lanyards to post on my wall that he was going to bed before they joined. They made the decision to create the most unfair situation possible where they would have the most chance of winning and they failed miserably. They entered into a private game where they were not welcomed and they made that decision. It was there game, they were the ones farming, they were the ones trying to cheat lanyards and I out of points, and they were the ones who lost.

They played the best they could and they failed

With that said, their actions should not be commended and they should be punished. Joining a private game where they were not invited is very similar to hacking an account, both effects points, both limit ones enjoyment of the game, and both is gross abuse of the rules. Win or lose, it was their intention to go around the exclusiveness which creating a private game insures. Purchasing premium entitles a person to setup private games where only people invited can join. Allowing lt.pies actions defeats the reason why many people buy premium and it not only detrimental to this site, but it is abuse and should not be tolerated.

[Velvecarrots]

What do they have to boast about? They illegally joined a game thinking "Oh, let us show these farmers what they are really made of", and then they get pwned. UTTER FAIL. And I actually enjoy responding to all the posts in this thread, since most of what they say are garbage. It is kinda fun smashing them down.

Cutting out all the crap, all that game shows is that TFG knows how to play freestyle very well, which we already knew.

It did sadden me to see my clan mates so confident about that game. I had to put a sad face in our forum, and say that they would lose to the infamous "double turn". I would know, I was once burned in that exact setting. And sure enough, that's exactly what happened.

However, we both know that game would be very different in a sequential setting. Not a 3 rounder, that's for sure... Being the logical person that you are, you must concede this point.

They joined that game thinking they could easily defeat us, and as a result, they waited for lanyards to post on my wall that he was going to bed before they joined. They made the decision to create the most unfair situation possible where they would have the most chance of winning and they failed miserably. They entered into a private game where they were not welcomed and they made that decision. It was there game, they were the ones farming, they were the ones trying to cheat lanyards and I out of points, and they were the ones who lost.

They played the best they could and they failed

With that said, their actions should not be commended and they should be punished. Joining a private game where they were not invited is very similar to hacking an account, both effects points, both limit ones enjoyment of the game, and both is gross abuse of the rules. Win or lose, it was their intention to go around the exclusiveness which creating a private game insures. Purchasing premium entitles a person to setup private games where only people invited can join. Allowing lt.pies actions defeats the reason why many people buy premium and it not only detrimental to this site, but it is abuse and should not be tolerated.

Even if Lany was online when that game started, I don't think you would have played that game any differently. So I don't know why that matters.

Yes, joining another player's private game is lame. Hell, I've had that happen to me too...Game 2000000. However, IMO it's more lame to invite new players to private games they have no chance of winning. It effects their points, limits their enjoyment of the game, and SHOULD be a gross abuse of the rules if it isn't already. If Lack is going to not allow new players to join those 8 player games, he shouldn't allow them to join private games either.

Pie says Max can't play for shit...Max says Pie can't play for shit...why aren't they playing some kind of series? You both think those games would be easy points, correct?

[waseemalim]

"They joined that game thinking they could easily defeat us, and as a result, they waited for lanyards to post on my wall that he was going to bed before they joined. They made the decision to create the most unfair situation possible where they would have the most chance of winning and they failed miserably."


"Joined the game thinking we could easily defeat you" -- yes. I was unaware of the infamous double turn tactic.
"waited for lanyards to post on my wall that he was going to bed before they joined." -- not true. We did not look at any walls. In fact we took our turns very quickly so that we could end it first.
"made the decision to create the most unfair situation possible" -- if going first in Waterloo is unfair, then yes we wanted to create an unfair situation.

Having said all that, my main intention was not getting points. I am perfectly capable holding my rank and even increasing it quite a bit. But I can not stand the idea of inviting new players to games that they simply have no chance of winning. I am, I admit, sick of seeing the scoreboard infested with megalomaniacs.

[FarangDemon]

With that said, their actions should not be commended and they should be punished. Joining a private game where they were not invited is very similar to hacking an account, both effects points, both limit ones enjoyment of the game, and both is gross abuse of the rules.

why are you crying? you do this all the time to new recruits.



Game 3749171

2008-11-29 11:52:41 - spfy: Umm, hey man. I was supposed to play with someone else to learn how to play
2008-11-29 11:52:50 - spfy: but he didn't come lol
2008-11-29 11:53:23 - spfy: anyway to forfeit?
2008-11-29 11:58:11 - maxatstuy: oh
2008-11-29 11:58:12 - maxatstuy: hi
2008-11-29 11:58:21 - maxatstuy: im sorry, you cant forfeit
2008-11-29 11:58:34 - maxatstuy: I can try and teach you how to play though
2008-11-29 11:58:49 - maxatstuy: and you can play up to 4 games at once
2008-11-29 11:59:05 - maxatstuy: sorry that I took the game from your friend though
2008-11-29 13:11:23 - spfy: Haha, it's alright. He should've been quicker. I'll see if I can learn within the next 23 or so hours. ;]

It's too bad. That was his first game. He wanted to play with his friend. When he couldn't, he dead-beated and he hasn't joined a game since.

Since that new recruit is not here, because he does not play conquerclub anymore, I will cry for him.



Shame on you, you evil vampire. He was just another bump in the road to glory for you.

One difference is, you paid for the right to join private games and he did not, but how can you honestly expect this new recruit to want to pay for an account when he can't even test the game out with his buddy for free first because farmers like you are jumping in his games on your road to glory?

[maxatstuy]

...

Having said all that, my main intention was not getting points. I am perfectly capable holding my rank and even increasing it quite a bit. But I can not stand the idea of inviting new players to games that they simply have no chance of winning. I am, I admit, sick of seeing the scoreboard infested with megalomaniacs.

Then you must be kicking yourself that you contributed to my rise to the top of the scoreboard...the 17 points lanyards and I shall win are much appreciated, even though your presence in our game is not.

Even if Lany was online when that game started, I don't think you would have played that game any differently. So I don't know why that matters.

Yes, joining another player's private game is lame. Hell, I've had that happen to me too...Game 2000000. However, IMO it's more lame to invite new players to private games they have no chance of winning. It effects their points, limits their enjoyment of the game, and SHOULD be a gross abuse of the rules if it isn't already. If Lack is going to not allow new players to join those 8 player games, he shouldn't allow them to join private games either.

Pie says Max can't play for shit...Max says Pie can't play for shit...why aren't they playing some kind of series? You both think those games would be easy points, correct?

I have no interest in playing someone who uses tactics as cheap as the ones used by lt.pie, and as far as I am concerned, he is a cheater who I have no respect, or regard for. I have nothing to prove to myself as I couldnt care less about proving my skill to anyone else...any moron who can say that I am a lousy player after being defeated truly has an ego too large to be countered. He is a loser who tried farming me and failed, thats that. As far as my intent on playing n00bs, lt.pie's and waseemalin's actions by joining my PRIVATE game without receiving an invitation is wrong and shouldnt be tolerated. Inviting new players to join my games is far within the rules, and many of the people I have played, purchased premium as a result. Furthermore, they joined lanyards games AFTER I dropped knowing that they would be playing him with a new recruit on lanyard's team, with no chance of winning...no matter their opinions about the games I chose to play, joining against someone in the position of lanyards is despicable, and it contests to their character that they would do something as atrocious as that.

Lt.pie has played 515 games on Waterloo and has won over 5000 points, of which 222 out of almost 300 games, and 3763 points, were won while playing freestyle. He was more than aware of the double turn, and played with his partner in both of opportunities which he had to play. With that said, I have only played on Waterloo a total of 32 times. I have won 32 times as well, but the very notion that I could out play a person who has completed about 15 times more games on the map as I, says a lot.

His attempt to farm was pitiful and he lost as a result, I have nothing to justify and if anything, lt.pie should be trying to explain how someone of his rank could lose to such a talentless farmer such as myself.

[maxatstuy]

With that said, their actions should not be commended and they should be punished. Joining a private game where they were not invited is very similar to hacking an account, both effects points, both limit ones enjoyment of the game, and both is gross abuse of the rules.

why are you crying? you do this all the time to new recruits.



Game 3749171

2008-11-29 11:52:41 - spfy: Umm, hey man. I was supposed to play with someone else to learn how to play
2008-11-29 11:52:50 - spfy: but he didn't come lol
2008-11-29 11:53:23 - spfy: anyway to forfeit?
2008-11-29 11:58:11 - maxatstuy: oh
2008-11-29 11:58:12 - maxatstuy: hi
2008-11-29 11:58:21 - maxatstuy: im sorry, you cant forfeit
2008-11-29 11:58:34 - maxatstuy: I can try and teach you how to play though
2008-11-29 11:58:49 - maxatstuy: and you can play up to 4 games at once
2008-11-29 11:59:05 - maxatstuy: sorry that I took the game from your friend though
2008-11-29 13:11:23 - spfy: Haha, it's alright. He should've been quicker. I'll see if I can learn within the next 23 or so hours. ;]

It's too bad. That was his first game. He wanted to play with his friend. When he couldn't, he dead-beated and he hasn't joined a game since.

Since that new recruit is not here, because he does not play conquerclub anymore, I will cry for him.



Shame on you, you evil vampire. He was just another bump in the road to glory for you.

One difference is, you paid for the right to join private games and he did not, but how can you honestly expect this new recruit to want to pay for an account when he can't even test the game out with his buddy for free first because farmers like you are jumping in his games on your road to glory?

similar situation:

Game 3826424

I accidentally joined against her not realizing that she was waiting for a friend, she realized that in order to play a private game, she would have to spend the $25 and, as a result, she did...then she deadbeated and never came back leaving me to assume that she didnt enjoy her time. Had I not joined her game she never would have bought premium...does that make me a saint since I contributed to the growing amount of people purchasing premium? No...it does not

I do not pride myself in joining games where the new recruit is waiting for a friend and for that reason I appologize whenever that is the case. However, in the example cited, I clearly stated that the new recruit "[could] play up to 4 games at once." There was no reason why he couldnt have started another game and I would love to hear your explanation of how that is in any way non-factual.

[sully800]

I know I participated in this thread as well, and may have helped to fuel the fire, but let's keep it clean guys. No one is an idiot or a jerk or anything else for playing a certain way. If you want to say those things take it to flame wars (and yes, the guys attacking the farmers have been as bad if not worse than the defense).

No I do not think that farming is good for the site, but it is not currently against the rules and I'm sure it wouldn't continue like this if it was against the rules. If you look through sugs and bugs you will see that a lot of action is being taken right now to prevent new recruits from accidentally joining games that are overly complicated, and to prevent members from profiting from players who may only take a turn or two. Most of the suggestions will not prevent new recruits from joining private games where they have the password PM'ed to them, which is what I find particularly disgraceful. Setting up challenging games and then inviting new recruits to have a fun time with you just resembles a predator in a van with a handful of candy. I think its ridiculous that farmers are proud of the points they win in this manner, and its at least reassuring that a lot of members on the site agree with that sentiment.

To respond to King earlier: I don't think farming has an enormous effect on new recruits, but I bet it does strongly impact the new players in those games. I have no idea what kind of coverage the farmers have versus the total amount of new recruits, but there is a lot of data that shows new recruits who play "hard" settings first are less likely to join the site. Lack has mentioned it in sugs and bugs which is the main reason he is clearing up the current system. The main point is, for every farmer there is a member like wacicha who cares more about the site than points, and is willing to make sure new recruits have a positive experience and in turn contribute positively to the site themselves.

[e_i_pi]

You can't raise the thermometer if you ate hot embers and drank a gallon of kerosene.

I can whip your little playmate in a game of Waterloo dubs though. And that pisses you off to no end, hence the amount of time you've dedicated to submitting here. Now make like a George W Bush, and stumble drunkenly while you fail to withdraw properly.

Well sounds like this little Lion woke up on the wrong side of the litter box. Maybe you were just having a bad moment because your Christmas sweater was aggravating your backne but more likely because your girl made you sit down again for your morning tinkle. Either way, your presidential ha ha didn't help you any with the whole I'm funny thing you're shooting for. The only failure in withdraw that I'm aware of is your dad not pulling out before he blew off inside of your mothers cookie cutter.

Wow, congratulations. My innuenudo goes completely over the self-proclaimed flame kings head, and he decides to use what I just used right back at me, blissfully unaware that he just copped it himself.

You guys are beyond hopeless - just give up hey, you're embarassing yourselves

[sully800]

Hey forget it guys, I missed the announcement yesterday in sugs and bugs, and I'm sure some of you did as well.

Lack has now limited new recruits from playing team games, listed seq games as the default, changed points from new recruit deadbeats, and limited the maps they can play....all as measures to cut back on farming. So the farmers can justify it by any means they want, but clearly the notion is that farming is not good for new recruits (go figure!)

FYI these are the maps that made the cut (I'll revise the list from time to time depending on the stats):

Europa | Egypt: Lower | Italy | Iberia | Luxembourg | Greater China | Australia | USA | Feudal War | British Isles | Portugal | Haiti | Charleston | France | Ireland | Germany | WWII Western Front | Imperium Romanum | WWII Eastern Front | North America | Great Lakes | San Francisco | Malta | Scotland | Classic Shapes | American Civil War | Siege! | Discworld | Philippines | Netherlands | Europe | Soviet Union | Indochina | Ancient Greece | Dust Bowl | Texan Wars | Middle East | Asia | U.S. Senate | Mongol Empire | Hong Kong | World 2.1 | Tamriel | BeNeLux | Montreal | NYC | Africa

[waseemalim]

Hey forget it guys, I missed the announcement yesterday in sugs and bugs, and I'm sure some of you did as well.

Lack has now limited new recruits from playing team games, listed seq games as the default, changed points from new recruit deadbeats, and limited the maps they can play....all as measures to cut back on farming. So the farmers can justify it by any means they want, but clearly the notion is that farming is not good for new recruits (go figure!)

FYI these are the maps that made the cut (I'll revise the list from time to time depending on the stats):

Europa | Egypt: Lower | Italy | Iberia | Luxembourg | Greater China | Australia | USA | Feudal War | British Isles | Portugal | Haiti | Charleston | France | Ireland | Germany | WWII Western Front | Imperium Romanum | WWII Eastern Front | North America | Great Lakes | San Francisco | Malta | Scotland | Classic Shapes | American Civil War | Siege! | Discworld | Philippines | Netherlands | Europe | Soviet Union | Indochina | Ancient Greece | Dust Bowl | Texan Wars | Middle East | Asia | U.S. Senate | Mongol Empire | Hong Kong | World 2.1 | Tamriel | BeNeLux | Montreal | NYC | Africa

hurray!

not sure about the cutting back on team games though -- when my girlfriend joined, I created private team games, so that she would gain interest in the site.

[sully800]

I believe they can play private team games but cannot start or see public team games. Does that match your experience?

[waseemalim]

oh this limit has been there for a while then.

yes, she couldnt start private games, but could join when I gave her the pass.

[maxatstuy]

I know I participated in this thread as well, and may have helped to fuel the fire, but let's keep it clean guys. No one is an idiot or a jerk or anything else for playing a certain way. If you want to say those things take it to flame wars (and yes, the guys attacking the farmers have been as bad if not worse than the defense).

No I do not think that farming is good for the site, but it is not currently against the rules and I'm sure it wouldn't continue like this if it was against the rules. If you look through sugs and bugs you will see that a lot of action is being taken right now to prevent new recruits from accidentally joining games that are overly complicated, and to prevent members from profiting from players who may only take a turn or two. Most of the suggestions will not prevent new recruits from joining private games where they have the password PM'ed to them, which is what I find particularly disgraceful. Setting up challenging games and then inviting new recruits to have a fun time with you just resembles a predator in a van with a handful of candy. I think its ridiculous that farmers are proud of the points they win in this manner, and its at least reassuring that a lot of members on the site agree with that sentiment.

To respond to King earlier: I don't think farming has an enormous effect on new recruits, but I bet it does strongly impact the new players in those games. I have no idea what kind of coverage the farmers have versus the total amount of new recruits, but there is a lot of data that shows new recruits who play "hard" settings first are less likely to join the site. Lack has mentioned it in sugs and bugs which is the main reason he is clearing up the current system. The main point is, for every farmer there is a member like wacicha who cares more about the site than points, and is willing to make sure new recruits have a positive experience and in turn contribute positively to the site themselves.

Your opinion on farming has NOTHING to do with lt.pie joining games which he had no right to enter. He was not invited and he shouldnt have joined. Posting that my friends and I are the ones flaming which is the reason why you are stepping in is nothing less than comical, considering that it wasnt my friends who partook in any of the wrongdoing.

I understand that you are a moderator, but that doesnt entitle you to derail a thread by posting comments about peoples opinions on farmers when the issue clearly is about the wrongful actions of lt.pie, waseemalin, and e_i_pi. They joined private games knowing that they were not welcomed or invited, and that is what this thread is about, not the noble actions of wacicha to counter farming, or your belief that farming ruins the site.

[e_i_pi]

Your opinion on farming has NOTHING to do with lt.pie joining games which he had no right to enter. He was not invited and he shouldnt have joined. Posting that my friends and I are the ones flaming which is the reason why you are stepping in is nothing less than comical, considering that it wasnt my friends who partook in any of the wrongdoing.

I understand that you are a moderator, but that doesnt entitle you to derail a thread by posting comments about peoples opinions on farmers when the issue clearly is about the wrongful actions of lt.pie, waseemalin, and e_i_pi. They joined private games knowing that they were not welcomed or invited, and that is what this thread is about, not the noble actions of wacicha to counter farming, or your belief that farming ruins the site.

Oh cry me a river max.

Judging by the fact that not even the mods are taking your side suggests to everyone with at least half a brain that your actions are so reprehensible that joining these supposedly 'private' games is a legitimate measure. Also, I would like you to commence pissing in the wind by looking for the rule/regulation that specifically states that joining private games is taboo. Good luck mate, and don't forget to change your diaper on the way out

[lanyards]

Game 3888885

I think I see the humor in this now.

[owenshooter]

Good luck mate, and don't forget to change your diaper on the way out

please don't flame max based on his age... *snicker*...-0

[Phlaim]

Hey forget it guys, I missed the announcement yesterday in sugs and bugs, and I'm sure some of you did as well.

Lack has now limited new recruits from playing team games, listed seq games as the default, changed points from new recruit deadbeats, and limited the maps they can play....all as measures to cut back on farming. So the farmers can justify it by any means they want, but clearly the notion is that farming is not good for new recruits (go figure!)

FYI these are the maps that made the cut (I'll revise the list from time to time depending on the stats):

Europa | Egypt: Lower | Italy | Iberia | Luxembourg | Greater China | Australia | USA | Feudal War | British Isles | Portugal | Haiti | Charleston | France | Ireland | Germany | WWII Western Front | Imperium Romanum | WWII Eastern Front | North America | Great Lakes | San Francisco | Malta | Scotland | Classic Shapes | American Civil War | Siege! | Discworld | Philippines | Netherlands | Europe | Soviet Union | Indochina | Ancient Greece | Dust Bowl | Texan Wars | Middle East | Asia | U.S. Senate | Mongol Empire | Hong Kong | World 2.1 | Tamriel | BeNeLux | Montreal | NYC | Africa

hurray!

not sure about the cutting back on team games though -- when my girlfriend joined, I created private team games, so that she would gain interest in the site.

I'm not sure, but I think private games is not affected by this.

[GManG]

you guys realize you're arguing about online risk, right?

[FarangDemon]

With that said, their actions should not be commended and they should be punished. Joining a private game where they were not invited is very similar to hacking an account, both effects points, both limit ones enjoyment of the game, and both is gross abuse of the rules.

why are you crying? you do this all the time to new recruits.



Game 3749171

2008-11-29 11:52:41 - spfy: Umm, hey man. I was supposed to play with someone else to learn how to play
2008-11-29 11:52:50 - spfy: but he didn't come lol
2008-11-29 11:53:23 - spfy: anyway to forfeit?
2008-11-29 11:58:11 - maxatstuy: oh
2008-11-29 11:58:12 - maxatstuy: hi
2008-11-29 11:58:21 - maxatstuy: im sorry, you cant forfeit
2008-11-29 11:58:34 - maxatstuy: I can try and teach you how to play though
2008-11-29 11:58:49 - maxatstuy: and you can play up to 4 games at once
2008-11-29 11:59:05 - maxatstuy: sorry that I took the game from your friend though
2008-11-29 13:11:23 - spfy: Haha, it's alright. He should've been quicker. I'll see if I can learn within the next 23 or so hours. ;]

It's too bad. That was his first game. He wanted to play with his friend. When he couldn't, he dead-beated and he hasn't joined a game since.

Since that new recruit is not here, because he does not play conquerclub anymore, I will cry for him.



Shame on you, you evil vampire. He was just another bump in the road to glory for you.

One difference is, you paid for the right to join private games and he did not, but how can you honestly expect this new recruit to want to pay for an account when he can't even test the game out with his buddy for free first because farmers like you are jumping in his games on your road to glory?

similar situation:

Game 3826424

I accidentally joined against her not realizing that she was waiting for a friend, she realized that in order to play a private game, she would have to spend the $25 and, as a result, she did...then she deadbeated and never came back leaving me to assume that she didnt enjoy her time. Had I not joined her game she never would have bought premium...does that make me a saint since I contributed to the growing amount of people purchasing premium? No...it does not

I do not pride myself in joining games where the new recruit is waiting for a friend and for that reason I appologize whenever that is the case. However, in the example cited, I clearly stated that the new recruit "[could] play up to 4 games at once." There was no reason why he couldnt have started another game and I would love to hear your explanation of how that is in any way non-factual.

My bad, Max. Good luck with your noob farming, and god willing, may you make it to Conqueror rank one day soon, because it makes sense that Conqueror rank should be awarded to the farmer who is able to kill the most new recruits.

[FabledIntegral]

you guys realize you're arguing about online risk, right?

Hey - go fucking figure, we're in a forum about it. Maybe you're the one that's clueless. People wouldn't be discussing the matter if they didn't find it of interest. You realize you're trying to mock a group of people that are all here for the same thing? I suggest you GTFO.

[Mr Changsha]

you guys realize you're arguing about online risk, right?

Hey - go fucking figure, we're in a forum about it. Maybe you're the one that's clueless. People wouldn't be discussing the matter if they didn't find it of interest. You realize you're trying to mock a group of people that are all here for the same thing? I suggest you GTFO.

Take GManG, bend said chappie over, insert a comedically fiery fire cracker into said chappie's arse, explain to the chappie concerned that the "I suggest you GTFO" symbolises what is going on right now, stand well away from the chap named GManG and shout "BOOM!!!", just a second before GManG is launched, anally, into space. Hollering "BOOM!" just before the actual explosion is more important than many of you reading this may realise.

Beyond that, you know you guys are arguing about on-line Risk, right?

[e_i_pi]

you guys realize you're arguing about online risk, right?

Who the f*ck would want to argue about offline risk?

[hwhrhett]

you guys realize you're arguing about online risk, right?

Who the f*ck would want to argue about offline risk?

arguing about offline risk happens all the time, it just goes by faster because i flip over the table and destroy the board.

[Natewolfman]

you guys realize you're arguing about online risk, right?

Who the f*ck would want to argue about offline risk?

arguing about offline risk happens all the time, it just goes by faster because i flip over the table and destroy the board.

pretty funny thread overall

[sully800]

Your opinion on farming has NOTHING to do with lt.pie joining games which he had no right to enter. He was not invited and he shouldnt have joined. Posting that my friends and I are the ones flaming which is the reason why you are stepping in is nothing less than comical, considering that it wasnt my friends who partook in any of the wrongdoing.

I understand that you are a moderator, but that doesnt entitle you to derail a thread by posting comments about peoples opinions on farmers when the issue clearly is about the wrongful actions of lt.pie, waseemalin, and e_i_pi. They joined private games knowing that they were not welcomed or invited, and that is what this thread is about, not the noble actions of wacicha to counter farming, or your belief that farming ruins the site.

I asked people to stop flaming simply because it does not belong here. And the people who were attacking your friends were flaming and trolling more than your friends were, but both sides were out of line IMO.

As for the topic, I thought the OP posted this thread because he thought it was funny that the famers had to play real opponents now (which is why it became a discussion of whether farming is or is not okay). The OP did not mention anything about lt.pie not being welcome in the game or anything else - that is your own interpretation. That being said, I personally would not join a game which was not intended for me. But the trouble with using the same password in games and sending it out to large groups is that "private" password becomes known to a lot of the public. Tournament organizers face the same problems when they mass distribute PM's or make passwords too easy to guess. It's a whole different problem, but was not mentioned in the beginning of this thread as the subject.