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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby porkenbeans on Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:58 am

The Neon Peon wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:Your Noob rape game can not come close to that following. And to tell you the truth, It is just NOT cool.
And neither are you.

Now that is incorrect and unnecessary. I took a look through his games and could not find one with a noob now, and could not find one a month ago either. He does not noob farm, and false accusations do no good.

Secondly, when someone (in general, not referring to that particular post) says something about your logic or the idea. You should answer that first. So what if the person flames you? So what if it was asked before? Explain it and move on. You constantly have stuff pointed out in your threads that you never take a moment to answer.
Please tell me what questions you are referring to Noen. He did not ask me any question, only miss-quotes and some kind of mind reading act. You are right though about him not being a Noob Farmer. I apologize. But Neon, you are not the boss of me, LOL, so dont tell me what to do first. I am not going to respond to every moronic question that is put forth. If, there is an intelligent line of discussion, I will never shirk a response. But, I will not set here and keep repeating answers to an endless barrage of gobbledygook.
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby FabledIntegral on Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:44 am

porkenbeans wrote:Fab you are an ass. Where do get this crap from. How the hell can you read my mind, when you cant even read English. I am sick and tired of you constantly miss-quoting me. And now you even want to tell people whats in my mind, and what I "REALLY" mean.
FYI, I am NOT a kid. I have been playing RISK longer than you have been alive. Unless your 40 years old. I played this game in the sixties, back before the plastic armies replaced the little wooden cubes.
This game has been out since 1953. And is know world wide. There are literally millions of people that have enjoyed this game through the decades. When people come here, it is that game that they are looking to play. Your Noob rape game can not come close to that following. And to tell you the truth, It is just NOT cool.
And neither are you.


You're the one that was ultimately incredibly condescending to the community before I "acted like an ass," towards your ridiculous self-promoting egotistical bullshit. I'd just like to clear that up - go reread all your former posts and it takes about 3 posts of your big-headed nonsense before I even start to get nasty.

For example - my first post and your response to my first post

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FabledIntegral wrote:You're missing the point. Equalitarian isn't any more respectable to half the people on this site. It merely shows you play the same pool of players over an over again.
Unique defeats are also include with the other various stats at M.R.
You are bright enough to figure CC out, and earn a high rank. You know very well that a persons rank does not tell the whole story. All I am trying to say is, If you want to find out the true story you need to know the facts. These facts are waiting for you at MAP RANK. It is up to you if you want to try and learn how to use it. Or you can just keep spouting off and condemning the facts. You only look the fool, my friend. Much like the dolts that called for Columbus's head, because he said the world was round. :lol:


porkenbeans wrote:Alas, I am weary though of arguing with you un-skilled Farmers.
You are not here to thoughtfully discuss anything. You are simply here to shout down anything that would hinder your rape of the Noob. And I am not going to give this as much time, as I have been lately. Nothing but Juvenalistic sparing is going on anyway. The same lame and discredited claims just follow on to the next thread. I have other things that I would rather be doing.
Like getting with chip, and doing what I can to further the development of MAP RANK. FYI, I am sure that M.R. will be used by more and more players. So, you guys may want to think of bringing on some new posters. I predict, that, your attempt at dominating the forums, ...is going to be getting, a little more difficult. ;) 8-)


Now you think I'm being the ass when you continued to act as such a douchebag? Oh the others that haven't followed the thread such as Fruitcake may believe I have my panties in a bundle, but I don't really care because I don't give a shit what Fruitcake thinks, and I only treat people like shit if they do something deserving of being treated like shit.

To continue - I'd like to point out you currently accuse the gamestyle I play as "noob rape." Yet it's the exact same gamestyle 15-20% of your so called EQ's play in as well - they've merely manipulated the system, in the exact same way Noob Farmers do. But hell - you don't care "how they do it," and won't address the fact that RR is SO insanely inaccurate to the point where it's near useless in determining ANY sort of farming at all. You've not addressed and single post of mine, which typically involves logic, and instead post some more nonsense ridicules...

Yet after posting facts upon facts, what's the response?
porkenbeans wrote:I have seen this sort of thing a lot lately. When a person is loosing an argument, they will just throw up a mile long post, that stresses 10 or more separate points. Most, if not every one, is pure gobbledygook. They carry on this conversation with themselves, and supply all the quotes and comebacks. My main problem with these novelistic diatribes, is that It makes it impossible for any one to reply without authoring a novel themselves.
I will try to make this as short as I can. OOOOOps, gotta go. -to be continued...


No answer - as usual your typical dribble. You say I'm losing an argument after presenting 10 separate points and facts? You don't address a single one and merely dismiss them as ridiculous? Oh sir - you are a twit. I indeed supplied ALL the quotes - aka all the facts on what you said. But apparently facts and numbers to your quotes are useless.

porkenbeans wrote:For the record, I do not think that those that are NOT E.Q.s' are Noob farmers. Just that E.Qs.' are NOT Noob Farmers. And, I will be lowering the threshold, so that the list contains all the top players that are NOT Noob Farmers.


"Noob Farmer," is a rank depending on your RR. If you meant "noob farming" or "the farming of noobs," you should have been smart enough to differentiate. As you capitalize most of the time yet NOT when referring to the simple "farming of noobs," we know every time you capitalize you're referring to the rank. Thus from what you just said "all players that aren't Noob Farmers (aka Point Hoarders and up) will make the list."

porkenbeans wrote:It does not matter how, or with what kind of strategy that he employed. This list is comprised up of the top CC players that do not Noob Farm. In my opinion there are others at, or near the top that need to be on this list.


You capitalized, so we know once again you're talking about the rank. Which is exactly why I brought up the IQ point of 75 vs the list itself only being 125 and above - go reread what I said if you're a little slow. And in case you still don't understand, I'll supply ANOTHER quote of yours...

porkenbeans wrote:To me the only thing this tool is good for is weeding out farmers, so that we can see where the true Risk talent lies. As it is now, it may be raking away some that are not N.F.s'. There is one thing that I can say with confidence. There are no Noob Farmers on this list.


"Although the cutoff for IQ on this list is 125, I can say with confidence that there is no one with less than an IQ of 75 on the list." Yes - that is what I quoted you on. No, I did not put words in your mouth, you said them nearly word for word yourself.

If you were too retarded and accidentally capitalized, it still wouldn't make sense. Because you've already repeatedly said I was a farmer that

1. Has figured out CC
2. That noob rapes
3. That you're sick of hearing such farmers complain

How can you say with confidence that your list contains no farmers at all if 10-20% play teh exact same gamestyle I did with the exact same people - yet just manipulated the system, which according to you doesn't matter. So you're wrong even if you fucked up.

OH AND ONE LAST THING. On that previous quote

porkenbeans wrote:To me the only thing this tool is good for is weeding out farmers, so that we can see where the true Risk talent lies.

porkenbeans wrote:I do NOT, NOT, NOT equate rr with skill in any way. '


f*ck off you sniveling cunt. Reread your own shit before talking shit to me, because I put up with your nonsense for way too long before I stooped to your own level and flung the shit right back in your face.
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby chipv on Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:06 am

porkenbeans wrote:
chipv wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:
kenbeuken wrote:I guess I am considered a farmer? :roll:
No you are not a farmer. Your RR is 0.692, which classifies you as point hoarder. You would need to raise that score to 0.800 to become an E.Q. Chip is working to revise the cutoff points, and I have allready stated that the next list will include all with 0.600 or higher. ...Stay tuned. :D


Where do you get your information from? I'm a little curious especially as I have no current plans to revise the cutoff points whatsoever nevermind actually working on it and I am failing to see a single post of mine that even hinted that I would.

Maybe you're going about things the wrong way?
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=73613&start=30#p1772697 Maybe you could clarify for me.


Best of luck constantly recompiling your list. Since you appear incapable of answering direct questions, I am not sure whether it is worth my while writing some code to help you. Your list will never be correct as it needs to be updated everytime a game finishes, not just for the people on the socreboard but also for people on the periphery. Maybe you could ask for help but if you won't help yourself, people may wonder what would be the point. If you are still wondering why people who have zero interest in noob farming are so resistant to your list, then feel free to continually ignore them as they are universally trying to instill common sense into the discussion. I shall ask you again - please can you stop mentioning both myself and Map Rank as neither provide any sort of support for any of the arguments you have presented. I am still unsure why you are insistent on misrepresentation.

To use a phrase you should understand - why bite the hand that feeds you?
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby chipv on Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:21 am

Fruitcake wrote:
chipv wrote:
Fruitcake wrote:Just a thought....

I think we all agree it is increasingly difficult to keep an ER the further up the scoreboard one gets, so why not have a sliding scale EQ. I am unsure if chipv could do something like that, but I have put a list below as an opening gambit.


The problem with this sliding scale is that it is not much better than the fixed levels we have now because the current scores happen to suit the sliding scale. Add more new members to the score pot and at some point I will have to revisit the scale again.


Good point.

So the issue is this. Would a sliding scale be a better reflection? if so, then we can review the next step of deciding whether the table I have placed above is a good starting point, and if so, when and how is it reviewed when point inflation is factored in?


Any chance of moving this to the Map Rank thread where we might be able to have a proper discussion about it? I am also interested in the opinions of regular posters there as well. Any thoughtful discussion is being buried in childish name-calling in this thread.
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby Qwert on Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:07 pm

Porkenbeans i have for you frendly sugestion-try to open some new and simple CC statistic things,because these is to much complicated to explane and to present to people.
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby porkenbeans on Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:31 pm

chipv wrote:
Fruitcake wrote:
chipv wrote:
Fruitcake wrote:Just a thought....

I think we all agree it is increasingly difficult to keep an ER the further up the scoreboard one gets, so why not have a sliding scale EQ. I am unsure if chipv could do something like that, but I have put a list below as an opening gambit.


The problem with this sliding scale is that it is not much better than the fixed levels we have now because the current scores happen to suit the sliding scale. Add more new members to the score pot and at some point I will have to revisit the scale again.


Good point.

So the issue is this. Would a sliding scale be a better reflection? if so, then we can review the next step of deciding whether the table I have placed above is a good starting point, and if so, when and how is it reviewed when point inflation is factored in?


Any chance of moving this to the Map Rank thread where we might be able to have a proper discussion about it? I am also interested in the opinions of regular posters there as well. Any thoughtful discussion is being buried in childish name-calling in this thread.
I couldn't agree more, chip. But I have to admit that a lot there is to technical for me to follow. I will try once more to dip my toes there, but it would be helpful if you could respond in laymens terms, so I can contribute. Your M.R. project is very interesting and worthwhile. I would indeed like to understand it better.
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby lgoasklucyl on Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:03 pm

Farmers Guild? What Farmers Guild?

:lol: =D>
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby jarrett155 on Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:31 pm

lgoasklucyl wrote:Farmers Guild? What Farmers Guild?

:lol: =D>

i know im confused as to what this farmers guild is.
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby PepperJack on Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:43 pm

Totals5 Brigadier182 +2318 384 from 1487(26%) 1204 (110) Serial Killer (59%)1698 Equalitarian (0.908)

Put it on the board. I am neither this talented nor a farmer. Flawed stat ftw.
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby porkenbeans on Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:18 pm

jarrett155 wrote:
lgoasklucyl wrote:Farmers Guild? What Farmers Guild?

:lol: =D>

i know im confused as to what this farmers guild is.
There will be funeral notices going out soon. :roll:
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby porkenbeans on Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:24 pm

PepperJack wrote:Totals5 Brigadier182 +2318 384 from 1487(26%) 1204 (110) Serial Killer (59%)1698 Equalitarian (0.908)

Put it on the board. I am neither this talented nor a farmer. Flawed stat ftw.
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby jarrett155 on Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:44 pm

i moved ahead of fruitcake with my BR win
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby KoE_Sirius on Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:45 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:
hecter wrote:I have an RR of 1.034... What does that mean?

It means that the average rank of your opponent is 1.034 times larger than yours.

I have an r2d2 c3po what does that mean ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby jarrett155 on Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:04 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
jarrett155 wrote:
lgoasklucyl wrote:Farmers Guild? What Farmers Guild?

:lol: =D>

i know im confused as to what this farmers guild is.
There will be funeral notices going out soon. :roll:

lol thats not what we meant. you should go look for the farmers guild in usergroups:P gl finding us :lol:
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby The Neon Peon on Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:15 pm

Excuse me, but I think that my 2490 (although not colonel) and my .972 (dropped .004 from the Battle Royals) qualifies me.
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby porkenbeans on Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:02 am

The Neon Peon wrote:Excuse me, but I think that my 2490 (although not colonel) and my .972 (dropped .004 from the Battle Royals) qualifies me.
Yep, Congrats. :D
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Re: NON FARMERS GUILD - Top 101

Postby lancehoch on Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:39 pm

Since this thread has digressed into flaming and flame baiting, I am locking the thread. Also, farming has recently been determined to be gross abuse of the game and is a punishable offense so there is not need to have a "not farmers guild" as no one is a farmer at this point.
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