Stripers

[FabledIntegral]

His point remains. I don't know what the point of the topic is (to rant, vent, etc.) but more often than not people who are stripers (and usually lieutenants as well, ironically), do terrible moves. Who were can't say they've been frustrated by a cook that suicides into them? And how consistent does it happen? Fairly, I'd say. Well as you move up you'll realize that if you're only a private or sergeant or something, you're probably doing the exact same thing (hanging someone), you just don't realize it. Not all people. But a lot do. The skill difference between cooks and sergeants is noticeable no doubt, but neither will generally hesitate to throw the game from my experience. More often than not, I'd say at LEAST 75% of the time, in sequential world 2.1 games, sergeants have a poor (less than mediocre) strategy. They will merely break borders for the sake of it, attack who is ever next to them, fortify armies in another person's territories... etc. They fail to realize the very simple fact that if you have 8 people, and two people attack each other, the two that attack each other are worse off and the other 6 players are better off. This is talking about midgame of course, early game I find competency.

There was a point where I did the same thing, but I figured it out almost right away... about 150 games of shittiness on all maps for me before I started realizing what to do.

[codeblue1018]

Stripers, lol. A thorn in my ass. Yet the fact remains that I'll play anyone once and most often than not, most stripers find a one way ticket to the ignore list. On occasion however, I have came across some good striper opponents, although rare, it does happen.

[foregone]

(Since I am a striper myself you can expect a heavy dose of bias)

Since I tend to think of myself as a noob still I am pretty sure most of you will beat me in a game at this stage (so any retaliation in this regard is unnecessary and probably accurate). Buuuuut, what I have noticed from excessive time spent on the forums (only 4 games makes for long waiting times) is that some of the players here become accustomed to playing certain strategies which becomes frustrated by newer players who employ less conservative....and sometimes more random...strategies of their own.

Personally I'm of the opinion that as long as people aren't colluding and/or cheating let them play their strategy and try to counter, it adds interest to the game rather than detract. And if it were the general trend at CC for the players who have been here longer to not play lower ranks it would essentially prevent the 'stripers' from learning new strategies. Also, it seems to me that everybody is harsher on lower ranks for making calculated risks that sometimes don't pay off than they would be to higher ranks that do the same, assuming that if it didn't pay off this time it must mean that they never applied any thought to the matter rather than just took a risk.

And on a separate point...

And...out of curiosity...is 25 bucks reallyl that much money?

Yes, if you come from one of those countries where the exchange rate makes it harsh. $25 equates to +-R200 which equates close to $200 on the 'Big Mac' index. Unfortunately for me this is a rough expenditure when you're a student, heh.

[State409c]

Ah, to address the haters and retards that don't have a clue

.... and get a premium, you only played 490 games for free.

You dumbass. I was premium from May 07-08, I joined the site in March 27th. Over 90% of my games were under premium.

i love how shortly ago you would have been a striper yourself, its the "free rank upgrade" that makes you only one rank better...

I hit about 2100 points or so until I got bored with trying to scour the Waiting For Players for standard, escalating, unlimited games that weren't overrun by stripers. Folks in that point range have started to spend more time playing with the elites, playing team games, and private games. I don't have an interest to spend that much time on this site to protect my hard earned score. I didn't play for awhile, then came back and decided I didn't care about being point anal and figured I'd give the idiots another chance to prove me wrong. They failed fairly disastrously.

[Timminz]

I hit about 2100 points or so until I got bored with trying to scour the Waiting For Players for standard, escalating, unlimited games that weren't overrun by stripers. Folks in that point range have started to spend more time playing with the elites, playing team games, and private games. I don't have an interest to spend that much time on this site to protect my hard earned score. I didn't play for awhile, then came back and decided I didn't care about being point anal and figured I'd give the idiots another chance to prove me wrong. They failed fairly disastrously.

Well, if/when you get above 2000 again, you'll be able to find lots of escalating games with people of equal rank in the callouts forum. The point of these games is two fold. I think you are putting too much emphasis on the points part of them. The reason I play so many of those games is because of the competition aspect of them. Joining those games, I know it's not going to be a cake walk, and I'm going to have to be on the top of my game to win. to me, there's nothing better than a fierce competition between great players.

[detlef]

Ah, to address the haters and retards that don't have a clue

.... and get a premium, you only played 490 games for free.

You dumbass. I was premium from May 07-08, I joined the site in March 27th. Over 90% of my games were under premium.

i love how shortly ago you would have been a striper yourself, its the "free rank upgrade" that makes you only one rank better...

I hit about 2100 points or so until I got bored with trying to scour the Waiting For Players for standard, escalating, unlimited games that weren't overrun by stripers. Folks in that point range have started to spend more time playing with the elites, playing team games, and private games. I don't have an interest to spend that much time on this site to protect my hard earned score. I didn't play for awhile, then came back and decided I didn't care about being point anal and figured I'd give the idiots another chance to prove me wrong. They failed fairly disastrously.

If you're looking to address a "hater and retard without a clue", proceed to the nearest mirror and start talking.

I mean, what's the purpose of your rant? To remind us that many low ranked players aren't as good as higher ranked ones? Really, how insightful. Of course, you've somehow managed to put a very clueless slant on a very obvious point. An impressive feat to be sure. Like Timminz says, if you want to avoid games against lower ranked players, don't play them, it's really simple actually. However, assuming that you're good, you should find that the poor play of others is about as likely to benefit you as hurt you. Unless, of course, you're also one of those guys who's the only one who gets bad dice.

I think you're getting peed upon because you're coming off like an a-hole. No more no less. Well, that and the fact that you're complaining about those holding a rank that, not long ago your particular score would have earned you. Does pointing this out to you make us "haters"? I would think calling out about 90% of the CC population (don't quote me on that but I'm guessing it's close) as being crappy players would be a fine definition of "hater", but that's just me.

Well, truth be told, I'm guessing it's not just me. At any rate, carry on. Yer doing great.

[Timminz]

I would think calling out about 90% of the CC population (don't quote me on that but I'm guessing it's close)

In fact, it's almost exactly 90% who are below 1600.

[State409c]

If you're looking to address a "hater and retard without a clue", proceed to the nearest mirror and start talking.

Really, how insightful.

inorite?

What's the purpose of your reply? To see your name on the screen?

a very clueless slant on a very obvious point

That doesn't even make sense.

if you want to avoid games against lower ranked players, don't play them, it's really simple actually.

No shit sherlock. Did you read the fucking thread? Did you read what you just stuck in the quote box?

However, assuming that you're good, you should find that the poor play of others is about as likely to benefit you as hurt you.

You really can't say conclusively either way. Seeing as how there are 4-7 losers and 1 winner per game, it's statistically more likely to hurt you in the long run. If you let each opponent have an equal opportunity to win at the start of the round, getting suicided on makes your percentage go way down, but a noob suiciding another player doesn't make it go way up, just means it could make it easier for a third party (or fourth, or fifth, or sixth) to get cards and take the win.

I think you're getting peed upon because you're coming off like an a-hole.

No shit, classic striper trait - don't give a shit about score or winning, just suicide the guy that pissed you off. This doesn't happen with higher ranked players. Thanks for proving my points!

[Anarkistsdream]

You're a moron to think you can lump anybody in the same category...

You can't say officers are better players. You can't say they are more honorable... Usually, they are the ones getting busted for multis...

You can't say computer programmers make better map makers.

You can't say those you still wear stripes are bad players.

You're an idiot, 409, which is already why you are on my ignore list... Things like this just show you to be a whiny little kid, too.

[detlef]

No shit, classic striper trait - don't give a shit about score or winning, just suicide the guy that pissed you off. This doesn't happen with higher ranked players. Thanks for proving my points!

That's funny, I wasn't referring to you getting peed on in games, rather here in the forums. Then I read your feedback. Imagine that, you're an a-hole in games as well. Color me surprised. Well, if you're a big enough jack-ass to start this thread, you're a big enough jack-ass not to realize that being a dick to people in the game will typically come back to bite you in the ass.

Everyone has their boiling point and most of us have enough sense not to test where that might be. Somehow I'm not surprised that you lack that sense.

That's not "typical striper", that's typical, "ultimately this is just a game and I rank who I want to win as 1) me, 2) anyone but this asshole". You get an entire board thinking that way and it's not likely to work out well for you.

[Optimus Prime]

[Begin comments made entirely as a PLAYER and not as a MOD]

Ummm....wow.... I've never been anything but a so-called "striper" for my entire stay here at Conquer Club, and I have to say you are a complete and wonderfully fantastic close-minded individual. I dare you to find more than 3 or 4 examples where I have made "terrible" moves in any of my games. I can think of 1 off the top of my head, but it was due to a mis-understanding during a real-time game, so nobody held it against me.

By your logic, if I was as sub-par a player as you seem to think I am because I have "stripes" then I should have at least a handful of negative feedbacks at this point, especially given that I've played just short of 1000 games. You really don't have a clue as to what you are talking about do you? To be honest, I spend most of my time playing with these "stripers" and even the Cadets and Cooks and they all have a better attitude than you do about playing this game we all love.

I'd play with them any day over someone with the attitude you have, and yes, if I was in game with you, I would probably have a decent shot of kicking your ass so far you'd never even think of returning. I've done it to games full of Captains, Majors, and Colonels before when I was nothing more than stuck at Corporal for months on end. I have the full respect as a player from hundreds of players ranked high on the scoreboard, and I have full confidence that given the right circumstances I could kick your ass as well.

Striperbots.... rolling out! Moron.

[/end comments made entirely as a PLAYER and not as a MOD]

[Matroshka]

So just to clarify.

State409c as a striper = "high ranked players aren't that good"
State409c as non-striper = "These guys (stripers) just suck"

You sure you aren't looking at this the wrong way?

[FabledIntegral]

I think you're getting peed upon because you're coming off like an a-hole.

No shit, classic striper trait - don't give a shit about score or winning, just suicide the guy that pissed you off. This doesn't happen with higher ranked players. Thanks for proving my points![/quote]

Erm, no high ranked players are more likely to suicide the guy that pisses them off. I've lost like 6 games in a row to suiciding people because they attacked my large stacks. I'll never threaten someone with a negative or something, but I have no problem suiciding someone. Oddly enough I typically win the games I suicide on certain players in... probably 4/6 I won. I have no problem losing points to people I deem morons, probably the reason I have 17 negatives. And I'll definitely let them know in chat that I felt they were moronic.

However as said previously I still understand your point and agree with you that a majority of stripers are borderline-retarded at times. Maybe in less frequency than cooks, but it's still fairly prevalent. The only thing I disagree with you is that I find lieutenants and captains to generally be just as bad...

[State409c]

You know, when people make blanket statements about anything, what is it with the people that come out of the woodworks to say they don't fit the stereotype.

No shit. Every single person doesn't fit under a certain umbrella? Groundbreaking observation. Is there a Nobel Price for social science work?

It is irrefutable common knowledge that a striper will play more erratically and most likely to your detriment than a higher ranked player. This just can't be debated.

I dare you to find more than 3 or 4 examples where I have made "terrible" moves in any of my games. I can think of 1 off the top of my head, but it was due to a mis-understanding during a real-time game, so nobody held it against me.

Congrats, this thread doesn't apply to you. Moving right along.

By your logic, if I was as sub-par a player as you seem to think I am because I have "stripes" then I should have at least a handful of negative feedbacks at this point, especially given that I've played just short of 1000 games. You really don't have a clue as to what you are talking about do you? To be honest, I spend most of my time playing with these "stripers" and even the Cadets and Cooks and they all have a better attitude than you do about playing this game we all love.

Sure, so long as you don't set them off. You guys get together in your blissfully ignorant woefully strategically inferior world where those damn dice just weren't friendly today. The only thing my attitude has to do with stripers, is the fact that it will set them off into suiciding you.

I'd play with them any day over someone with the attitude you have, and yes, if I was in game with you, I would probably have a decent shot of kicking your ass so far you'd never even think of returning. I've done it to games full of Captains, Majors, and Colonels before when I was nothing more than stuck at Corporal for months on end, and I have full confidence that given the right circumstances I could kick your ass as well.

BFD. A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

So just to clarify.

State409c as a striper = "high ranked players aren't that good"
State409c as non-striper = "These guys (stripers) just suck"

You sure you aren't looking at this the wrong way?

Did you read the first 2 posts I made in this thread before you dropped this wonderful observation?

[detlef]

You really can't say conclusively either way. Seeing as how there are 4-7 losers and 1 winner per game, it's statistically more likely to hurt you in the long run. If you let each opponent have an equal opportunity to win at the start of the round, getting suicided on makes your percentage go way down, but a noob suiciding another player doesn't make it go way up, just means it could make it easier for a third party (or fourth, or fifth, or sixth) to get cards and take the win.

Oh, and btw. Here's my point in regards to it equaling out. You make a very well stated version of a poorly thought out point but here's the rub:

Say you always play 6 player games. In every game, there's one idiot who throws the game at some point cost himself and one random player the game. Over time, why would any one of the other 5 equally skilled players benefit any more or less from this random act. I mean, perhaps if one of them was a prick and made a habit of pissing people off he might get the short end of the stick more often...Oh wait, never mind, I see you point now.

[gloryordeath]

All this time I thought stripers where fish? Can we smoke them and eat them?

[daydream]

i deam this thread one of the funniest reads of the day.
i was going to write out a comeback, but i decided it wasnt worth my time.

[FabledIntegral]

You know, when people make blanket statements about anything, what is it with the people that come out of the woodworks to say they don't fit the stereotype.

No shit. Every single person doesn't fit under a certain umbrella? Groundbreaking observation. Is there a Nobel Price for social science work?

It is irrefutable common knowledge that a striper will play more erratically and most likely to your detriment than a higher ranked player. This just can't be debated.

Incorrect. It is a very refutable statement. Almost no high rank I know would take bullshit from another player. I will suicide a player that does something retarded. I've seen Oggiss do it multiple times. I've seen Scott-Land do it quite a bit of times, including once to me. I've seen MANY top players do it, and considering that I know a decent amount of high rankers, I can very well say that if you do something of utter retardation you can expect to get heavy retaliation instead of focusing on the win, for most high rankers are willing to sacrifice a single game worth of points in order to assure the retard doesn't win, and gets on the foe list. Therefore it is also very stupid to say that it's "common knowledge," especially when the collective group of "high rankers" consists of like 50 people (and I know a lot of them).

[Soloman]

You know, when people make blanket statements about anything, what is it with the people that come out of the woodworks to say they don't fit the stereotype.

No shit. Every single person doesn't fit under a certain umbrella? Groundbreaking observation. Is there a Nobel Price for social science work?

It is irrefutable common knowledge that a striper will play more erratically and most likely to your detriment than a higher ranked player. This just can't be debated.

Incorrect. It is a very refutable statement. Almost no high rank I know would take bullshit from another player. I will suicide a player that does something retarded. I've seen Oggiss do it multiple times. I've seen Scott-Land do it quite a bit of times, including once to me. I've seen MANY top players do it, and considering that I know a decent amount of high rankers, I can very well say that if you do something of utter retardation you can expect to get heavy retaliation instead of focusing on the win, for most high rankers are willing to sacrifice a single game worth of points in order to assure the retard doesn't win, and gets on the foe list. Therefore it is also very stupid to say that it's "common knowledge," especially when the collective group of "high rankers" consists of like 50 people (and I know a lot of them).

There is almost a funny irony in your statement they will do anything to make sure the retard does not win...LOl why because there bold move is outside the ultra cautious moves of a lot so called leets? and thus since they are playing in a way that may give them the game with there audacity and risky behaviour they must be punished???

Sounds awfully petty to me to suicide against a player because his strategy is not the norm, the other irony is people call bold moves suicide hat are not suicidal at all as the person is not trying to just end there game but they are trying to win yet these other players who label bold as suicide tend to legitimately throw away the game if you do not play as they like just seems awfully petty and against the spirit of the game...

[codeblue1018]

You know, when people make blanket statements about anything, what is it with the people that come out of the woodworks to say they don't fit the stereotype.

No shit. Every single person doesn't fit under a certain umbrella? Groundbreaking observation. Is there a Nobel Price for social science work?

It is irrefutable common knowledge that a striper will play more erratically and most likely to your detriment than a higher ranked player. This just can't be debated.

Incorrect. It is a very refutable statement. Almost no high rank I know would take bullshit from another player. I will suicide a player that does something retarded. I've seen Oggiss do it multiple times. I've seen Scott-Land do it quite a bit of times, including once to me. I've seen MANY top players do it, and considering that I know a decent amount of high rankers, I can very well say that if you do something of utter retardation you can expect to get heavy retaliation instead of focusing on the win, for most high rankers are willing to sacrifice a single game worth of points in order to assure the retard doesn't win, and gets on the foe list. Therefore it is also very stupid to say that it's "common knowledge," especially when the collective group of "high rankers" consists of like 50 people (and I know a lot of them).

There is almost a funny irony in your statement they will do anything to make sure the retard does not win...LOl why because there bold move is outside the ultra cautious moves of a lot so called leets? and thus since they are playing in a way that may give them the game with there audacity and risky behaviour they must be punished???

Sounds awfully petty to me to suicide against a player because his strategy is not the norm, the other irony is people call bold moves suicide hat are not suicidal at all as the person is not trying to just end there game but they are trying to win yet these other players who label bold as suicide tend to legitimately throw away the game if you do not play as they like just seems awfully petty and against the spirit of the game...

Easy test Soloman; attain a high rank and see for yourself. Stripers have a tendency more often than not to "attack" to just attack not having idea why or what for. Secondly, they often view higher ranked players as a threat and therefore attack when the high ranked player may have not been winning to begin with. Another classic statement that I do love is when they say "I play for fun, it is just a game". LOL, yes, games are meant to be won! BTW, you are on here quite enough, how about possibly taking back some empty cans and pay for a premium membership. WOW!

[Soloman]

You know, when people make blanket statements about anything, what is it with the people that come out of the woodworks to say they don't fit the stereotype.

No shit. Every single person doesn't fit under a certain umbrella? Groundbreaking observation. Is there a Nobel Price for social science work?

It is irrefutable common knowledge that a striper will play more erratically and most likely to your detriment than a higher ranked player. This just can't be debated.

Incorrect. It is a very refutable statement. Almost no high rank I know would take bullshit from another player. I will suicide a player that does something retarded. I've seen Oggiss do it multiple times. I've seen Scott-Land do it quite a bit of times, including once to me. I've seen MANY top players do it, and considering that I know a decent amount of high rankers, I can very well say that if you do something of utter retardation you can expect to get heavy retaliation instead of focusing on the win, for most high rankers are willing to sacrifice a single game worth of points in order to assure the retard doesn't win, and gets on the foe list. Therefore it is also very stupid to say that it's "common knowledge," especially when the collective group of "high rankers" consists of like 50 people (and I know a lot of them).

There is almost a funny irony in your statement they will do anything to make sure the retard does not win...LOl why because there bold move is outside the ultra cautious moves of a lot so called leets? and thus since they are playing in a way that may give them the game with there audacity and risky behaviour they must be punished???

Sounds awfully petty to me to suicide against a player because his strategy is not the norm, the other irony is people call bold moves suicide hat are not suicidal at all as the person is not trying to just end there game but they are trying to win yet these other players who label bold as suicide tend to legitimately throw away the game if you do not play as they like just seems awfully petty and against the spirit of the game...

Easy test Soloman; attain a high rank and see for yourself. Stripers have a tendency more often than not to "attack" to just attack not having idea why or what for. Secondly, they often view higher ranked players as a threat and therefore attack when the high ranked player may have not been winning to begin with. Another classic statement that I do love is when they say "I play for fun, it is just a game". LOL, yes, games are meant to be won! BTW, you are on here quite enough, how about possibly taking back some empty cans and pay for a premium membership. WOW!

to be honest I cannot budget that in and before you say it is just$25 I am self employed with 5 kids and where I am at I have not had work for almost 6 months, my work involves the PC and my fiancee had to go to work so we could cover are buts as savings is now gone, internet is a neccesity and if I do get work I will be contacted by e-mail, when I was more prosperous I did not have time to make use of premium and it would have been a waste, at 1 point I almost never logged on and had no active games.

I bought my baby brother a premium which he used to become a pariah in some ways due to his antisocial behaviour clashing with other antisocials and I do play just for fun. I love the site I just think that those with your collective mentality ruin the game and need to have some type of outside social life and interact with other humans and maybe play the board game with real people as we do here at my home you will find your type of mentality not only does not fly it can cause fights in the real world but as I said it all sounds petty and against the spirt of the game...

[State409c]

Oh, and btw. Here's my point in regards to it equaling out. You make a very well stated version of a poorly thought out point but here's the rub:

Say you always play 6 player games. In every game, there's one idiot who throws the game at some point cost himself and one random player the game. Over time, why would any one of the other 5 equally skilled players benefit any more or less from this random act.

Are you kidding? It was a poorly thought out point. So poorly, that all you did was restate what I said? I clearly articulated that a suiciding striper doesn't necessarily benefit you if you weren't the target, which is what you have just restated by "benefit any more or less".

...unless, the whole point of your comment was to get to your punchline, which may be the case. I hope so for you, because otherwise, this is just another post in the retardation belt that you are attempting to wear with pride.

[detlef]

Oh, and btw. Here's my point in regards to it equaling out. You make a very well stated version of a poorly thought out point but here's the rub:

Say you always play 6 player games. In every game, there's one idiot who throws the game at some point cost himself and one random player the game. Over time, why would any one of the other 5 equally skilled players benefit any more or less from this random act.

Are you kidding? It was a poorly thought out point. So poorly, that all you did was restate what I said? I clearly articulated that a suiciding striper doesn't necessarily benefit you if you weren't the target, which is what you have just restated by "benefit any more or less".

...unless, the whole point of your comment was to get to your punchline, which may be the case. I hope so for you, because otherwise, this is just another post in the retardation belt that you are attempting to wear with pride.

Um, no my intention was to prove my point, which I did. That you fail to grasp basic odds is of no surprise to me. I'm not going to bother to restate the obvious. Enjoy your special place.

How strange, yet another person complaining about the play of others is exposed as, not only an a-hole, but one who can't grasp reason.

[State409c]

Jesus Christ detlef, just how moronic do you get? That last post said nothing. Do you realize that? It just reeks of your defeat when you have no coherent argument left.

In your last post, you simply restated what I said in a different way with some other cute comments surrounding it to make you feel good, so you claiming I don't know odds is an indictment on yourself? So, lets get this straight for those playing along.

You're an idiot
You don't know it
Please consider hari kari is your only viable option

[Anarkistsdream]

Jesus Christ detlef, just how moronic do you get? That last post said nothing. Do you realize that? It just reeks of your defeat when you have no coherent argument left.

In your last post, you simply restated what I said in a different way with some other cute comments surrounding it to make you feel good, so you claiming I don't know odds is an indictment on yourself? So, lets get this straight for those playing along.

You're an idiot
You don't know it
Please consider hari kari is your only viable option

For calling someone else an idiot, this is full of grammatical and spelling mistakes...

Just thought I'd quote it in case you feel the need to argue.

Let he who casts the first stone be without sin...

Hypocrite...