farming

[Jeff Hardy]

I got farmed in a couple freestyle games and then a Waterloo epic loss when I first started. I left the site, then came back to close my account, when I bumped into Wacicha, who taught me how to play (at least hold my own). Now I pump my own dollars into CC.

well thats one type of farming

maxatstuy farms noobs 1 vs 1 but he is always shows respect, offers help and plays rt if they want him too but he is still unpopular

anyway, they want someone to join quickly which is what he does

[maxatstuy]

Simple answer:

Taking newbies out of the ethical equation because all farming of newbies is bad for the club (it discourages new members from staying...most farmed newbs just don't come back):

Farming for points get you something which is directly to the detriment of other players - you either take points from others, or you are pushing other players who are more skilled than you down the score board and artificially inflating points at the top. In other words, point farming leads to harm to everyone on the score board.

Farming for medals affects only those you play (and I'm going to guess they are newbies because otherwise you are just legitimately winning games and therefore, good on you!) because medals are a personal achievement and not used to directly rate you against another player. Farming for medals only harms those you directly screw over in games.

So, farming for medals is less bad from a purely ethical standpoint because it harms fewer people (yes, I have my utilitarian moments)
However, farming newbs for ANY reason is ethically dubious at best and should be discouraged...

I guess its a good think that neither Herpes or I farm then...

Herpes is still going for those medals and I just like the color blue. Its not my fault that new recruits have the only blue rank. For that same reason I dont play them for their points and dont use delay tactics or other things with prevent noobs from coming back to the site. The only reasons why the people I play dont come back is because they never had an intention of coming back or because their turns never come up, which does not occur in my games where I play rt. Still, it is fine that they dont come back because then my games list looks pretty with more blue -- they should have a :mrblue: instead

[owenshooter]

* yet another long winded defensive post by a convicted cheater who was stripped of premium, removed from the scoreboard, and had to buy back in, and is in complete denial that his style of farming is detrimental to the site*

farming is bad, it hurts the site. farmers that cheat are even worse, and their official status on blitz's "top" lists reflect this by using an asterisks. nothing good comes of it, and no respect is ever earned. imagine if some of these amazing farmers put forth an effort to actually get better at the game, instead of figuring out how to join second in 1v1 games, talk newbs into playing real time, and just raping them of a few sad points? the hole that allows this needs to be fixed, and i have heard they are working on it now... ahem...-0

[maxatstuy]

* yet another long winded defensive post by a convicted cheater who was stripped of premium, removed from the scoreboard, and had to buy back in, and is in complete denial that his style of farming is detrimental to the site*

farming is bad, it hurts the site. farmers that cheat are even worse, and their official status on blitz's "top" lists reflect this by using an asterisks. nothing good comes of it, and no respect is ever earned. imagine if some of these amazing farmers put forth an effort to actually get better at the game, instead of figuring out how to join second in 1v1 games, talk newbs into playing real time, and just raping them of a few sad points? the hole that allows this needs to be fixed, and i have heard they are working on it now... ahem...-0

Yet another attempt by owen to thread hijack...nice job

And to anyone reading this, what about farming causes a noob to leave this site and never return? Is it:

1. Losing and feeling bad about the loss (which wouldnt account for why they leave without playing a single round)
2. Seeing that their turn never comes up (which wouldnt make sense in an rt game)
3. The confusion of not knowing what to do (which is a factor in ANY game they were to play)
4. The mean way their opponent talks to them (by saying Hello and Good Luck)
5. By reading the forum and seeing how moronic other members are in their attempts to flame and by reading that everyone is calling them noobs when all they want to do is to learn how to play an online risk game

[john9blue]

farming is bad, it hurts the site. farmers that cheat are even worse, and their official status on blitz's "top" lists reflect this by using an asterisks. nothing good comes of it, and no respect is ever earned. imagine if some of these amazing farmers put forth an effort to actually get better at the game, instead of figuring out how to join second in 1v1 games, talk newbs into playing real time, and just raping them of a few sad points? the hole that allows this needs to be fixed, and i have heard they are working on it now... ahem...-0

Yet another attempt by owen to thread hijack...nice job

And to anyone reading this, what about farming causes a noob to leave this site and never return? Is it:

1. Losing and feeling bad about the loss (which wouldnt account for why they leave without playing a single round)
2. Seeing that their turn never comes up (which wouldnt make sense in an rt game)
3. The confusion of not knowing what to do (which is a factor in ANY game they were to play)
4. The mean way their opponent talks to them (by saying Hello and Good Luck)
5. By reading the forum and seeing how moronic other members are in their attempts to flame and by reading that everyone is calling them noobs when all they want to do is to learn how to play an online risk game

They are working on fixing it? Where did you see that? Are they finally implementing multiple scoreboards?

Farming almost always leads to a devastating loss for the newbie. That's not very encouraging, is it? Then there's the scoreboard shift that comes from the farmers who rise to the top with little / no actual skill.

And max, he didn't hijack the thread, and you are definitely a farmer.

[The Neon Peon]

Well, having to points taken from new recruit deadbeats is on the *to do* list, which takes away a whole lot of the points farmers earn, and leaves the points they lose: multis and people who get good luck.

I am not sure if that is what owen meant, but that is one thing that is being done, although there is no way of knowing how fast lack works, or how long he works at all for that matter.

[maxatstuy]

They are working on fixing it? Where did you see that? Are they finally implementing multiple scoreboards?

Farming almost always leads to a devastating loss for the newbie. That's not very encouraging, is it? Then there's the scoreboard shift that comes from the farmers who rise to the top with little / no actual skill.

And max, he didn't hijack the thread, and you are definitely a farmer.

pffft, maybe if I had a name as awesome as yours I wouldnt need to farm...but I need more Blue!!!

[owenshooter]

Yet another attempt by owen to thread hijack...nice job

wait, i hijacked a thread about farming, by discussing farming, how it hurts the site, and how it is on the "to do list" for lack? um, paranoid much? -0

[maxatstuy]

* yet another long winded defensive post by a convicted cheater who was stripped of premium, removed from the scoreboard, and had to buy back in, and is in complete denial that his style of farming is detrimental to the site*

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That is an attempt to change the subject, hence thread hijacking, at it is clearly not the quote made by myself.

[owenshooter]

* yet another long winded defensive post by a convicted cheater who was stripped of premium, removed from the scoreboard, and had to buy back in, and is in complete denial that his style of farming is detrimental to the site*

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That is an attempt to change the subject, hence thread hijacking, at it is clearly not the quote made my myself.

no, no, no, jr. leader of the cheat brigade. it is in fact what all of your posts are. long winded diatribes in which you declare you are not a cheat, not a farmer, not a bad thing for the site, and that you have never been busted for cheating, despite being busted for cheating. my post was on topic, and it is clearly on topic. farming is bad. farming hurts the site. farming is going to be fixed by lack and the team. as twill stated, people that are farmed never return (hurting the site). so, max, people come to the site, play you, and have such a NEGATIVE experience that they never return for more games!!! deal with it max, you are a farmer and a convicted CC cheater. to top it off, one day you are going to have to learn how to play the game, and i doubt you'll be any good.-0

[Jeff Hardy]

then again, max's account has been payed for 3 times in total
thats 75 dollars cc has gained

[owenshooter]

then again, max's account has been payed for 3 times in total
thats 75 dollars cc has gained

oh, i had no idea he had been busted 3 times for cheating. wow... i guess that is a great contribution, if you can get all the farmers to purchase as many premiums as max has... hmmmm... interesting... thanks for that info jeff!!!-0

[Mr Changsha]

A lot of this is very subjective. Some will say that playing 1vs1 with question marks is always an easy win, but it also true that if one ? gets a good drop, actually wants to play and maybe has some idea what they are doing, then there goes 100 points for King Herpes or whoever. I wouldn't go into a game risking 50 points for 10, so I have some respect for what they are doing. Not a lot of respect, but some...

Playing freestyle dubs could also be considered farming. I had a go once, by mistake, and by the time I had started to communicate with my randomn teammate it was pretty much over, and I was a Captain and he was a Lieutenant. I am happy to admit that I was farmed in that game. (by the chap posting above!!!)

Triples has also been called farming. I am currently testing that notion with my office team and we look like going 2 wins to 1 loss (against the highest ranked teams we can find) in a day or two. We worked out that us (captain + two privates) are clever enough to either win, or give give a good game to - both fine - these kinds of teams and one win for us covers three or four losses. I am confident we can acheive a 40-50% win rate over twenty games anyway. We are holding our own in the four other active games and I have hopes of winning one or two. We call it 'reverse farming', tongue in cheek, but really we are just looking for a challenge. The point is that these triples teams might meet poor opposition, or they might meet Mr C and his office buddies who will happily spend time in the office debating the plays two or three moves in advance. I would be reluctant to call any public game started by the higher rank farming, as he has no idea who will be facing him.

How about dropping games because higher ranks join? So what? It is his account and he can do what he wants with it. If these top triples teams foe me after these games then again, so what? It is their right to do so and there would be no hard feelings from me...though I would rather they didn't, of course!

The only example of farming that even slightly annoyed me was Maxatstuy's admitting to deliberately trying to find players who wouldn't even play. Yet this really only bothered me due to the complete pointlessness (pun intended) of it all. But then, I don't really care who is where on the scoreboard and I can promise you that I won't care if - or when - I am on the first page. CC is about personal goals for me. 1 more game (win or loss) and I'll have the Major insignia next to my name and after that I will be working on getting to Colonel. What anyone else is doing is completely irrelevent to me. 'Point inflation', or players being placed higher than their rank deserves is, as I mentioned earlier, a subjective thing.

Finally, Twill's claim that farming leads to less players joining up was not backed up with any evidence at all. I am sure most of us were hammered in our first five games, I certainly was, and it didn't stop any of us keeping going. The kind of guy who gives up after a turn or hates a game because he loses a few times is not the chap who is likely to buy premium anyway, I should think.

Lecture over, carry on.

Mr C

[lt.pie]

Finally, Twill's claim that farming leads to less players joining up was not backed up with any evidence at all. I am sure most of us were hammered in our first five games, I certainly was, and it didn't stop any of us keeping going. The kind of guy who gives up after a turn or hates a game because he loses a few times is not the chap who is likely to buy premium anyway, I should think.

Lecture over, carry on.

Mr C

I agree, best idea might be to somehow block every player over 1000 points from joining question marks and totally ban freestyle altogether. Freestyle might be quick and fun but the majority of abuse stems from it.

[Jeff Hardy]

then again, max's account has been payed for 3 times in total
thats 75 dollars cc has gained

oh, i had no idea he had been busted 3 times for cheating. wow... i guess that is a great contribution, if you can get all the farmers to purchase as many premiums as max has... hmmmm... interesting... thanks for that info jeff!!!-0

no, i meant:
he had premium (25), then he got busted and got bought back (50), then he got bought premium again (75)
do you know exactly what he was busted for?

[owenshooter]

then again, max's account has been payed for 3 times in total
thats 75 dollars cc has gained

oh, i had no idea he had been busted 3 times for cheating. wow... i guess that is a great contribution, if you can get all the farmers to purchase as many premiums as max has... hmmmm... interesting... thanks for that info jeff!!!-0

no, i meant:
he had premium (25), then he got busted and got bought back (50), then he got bought premium again (75)
do you know exactly what he was busted for?

um, that is what said... but thanks for clarifying what i said... i appreciate it...-0

[Jeff Hardy]

Playing freestyle dubs could also be considered farming. I had a go once, by mistake, and by the time I had started to communicate with my randomn teammate it was pretty much over, and I was a Captain and he was a Lieutenant. I am happy to admit that I was farmed in that game. (by the chap posting above!!!)

Game 3451079

you werent farmed

you had WARSTEINER's multi on your team who was an awesome player

and when i sent the invite i didnt know that you had never played speed dubs before (i send loads of people invites on the hope that someone will join)

[Jeff Hardy]

then again, max's account has been payed for 3 times in total
thats 75 dollars cc has gained

oh, i had no idea he had been busted 3 times for cheating. wow... i guess that is a great contribution, if you can get all the farmers to purchase as many premiums as max has... hmmmm... interesting... thanks for that info jeff!!!-0

no, i meant:
he had premium (25), then he got busted and got bought back (50), then he got bought premium again (75)
do you know exactly what he was busted for?

um, that is what said... but thanks for clarifying what i said... i appreciate it...-0

no you said he had been busted 3 times when actually he has been busted once

[Mr Changsha]

Playing freestyle dubs could also be considered farming. I had a go once, by mistake, and by the time I had started to communicate with my randomn teammate it was pretty much over, and I was a Captain and he was a Lieutenant. I am happy to admit that I was farmed in that game. (by the chap posting above!!!)

Game 3451079

you werent farmed

you had WARSTEINER's multi on your team who was an awesome player

and when i sent the invite i didnt know that you had never played speed dubs before (i send loads of people invites on the hope that someone will join)

Quite.

I played a game I didn't really understand (in this case freestyle speed dubs) and quite rightly got a good kicking. However, if I like the idea of the game - which I don't - I could always play again and improve.

I played with the great Warsteiner, huh? I promise you that the extent of my confusion meant he had no chance of winning that game!

But you've made my point for me, really. Farming is a much over-used word on CC.

[oVo]

Holy Carp! Leave freestyle alone. Farming is farming is farming and it happens on every single online gaming site that has points and a scoreboard ffs. Freestyle speed games with lots of players in them are absolutely nuts... and insane fun.
Wah!
All players have a CHOICE of game settings they play... and not everyone who drops by this site is going to have the attention span to stick around. The only thing I find disappointing is farmed points from ?s who don't actually finish what they start or in other words, don't bother to actually play the game. Otherwise whuppin' up on players of any rank is all in the game...
and getting whupped by players of any rank is part of the learning process.

[maxatstuy]

then again, max's account has been payed for 3 times in total
thats 75 dollars cc has gained

Nope...I had premium purchased and it was only taken away once, not twice. 50 dollars, not 75; even though it is because of me that at least two other people have premium so that should be included as well

Now I will go back and read the rest of the posts.

[maxatstuy]

Finally, Twill's claim that farming leads to less players joining up was not backed up with any evidence at all. I am sure most of us were hammered in our first five games, I certainly was, and it didn't stop any of us keeping going. The kind of guy who gives up after a turn or hates a game because he loses a few times is not the chap who is likely to buy premium anyway, I should think.

Lecture over, carry on.

Mr C

I agree, best idea might be to somehow block every player over 1000 points from joining question marks and totally ban freestyle altogether. Freestyle might be quick and fun but the majority of abuse stems from it.

First of all, am I the only person who is rolling on the floor laughing over the fact that lt. pie is trying to claim he is not a farmer? Demonfork went and joined all of his "Public" waterloo games that lt. pie had up and as a result, pie private messaged him asking him to drop and then made the decisions to drop all of the games himself when fork refused. Later, I decided to try joining his waterloo games myself and, of course, I received a message a couple minutes later. While they may be public games, you intentionally create them in the hopes that noobs, and only noobs, will join.

Additionally, the reason why noobs leave the site has nothing to do with losing, at least the majority of the time; they leave because their turns never come up so after waiting an hour or so, they go offline and never return. Freestyle might make it easier to farm noobs, but sequential games are the ones that make noobs leave.

I join games with people I believe wont return and I have no issues with admitting that. However, as I have stated many times before, I am not the person coaxing them to leave, the people I play leave because they dont have a desire to continue as they never really had a desire to play in the first place.

* yet another long winded defensive post by a convicted cheater who was stripped of premium, removed from the scoreboard, and had to buy back in, and is in complete denial that his style of farming is detrimental to the site*

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That is an attempt to change the subject, hence thread hijacking, at it is clearly not the quote made my myself.

no, no, no, jr. leader of the cheat brigade. it is in fact what all of your posts are. long winded diatribes in which you declare you are not a cheat, not a farmer, not a bad thing for the site, and that you have never been busted for cheating, despite being busted for cheating. my post was on topic, and it is clearly on topic. farming is bad. farming hurts the site. farming is going to be fixed by lack and the team. as twill stated, people that are farmed never return (hurting the site). so, max, people come to the site, play you, and have such a NEGATIVE experience that they never return for more games!!! deal with it max, you are a farmer and a convicted CC cheater. to top it off, one day you are going to have to learn how to play the game, and i doubt you'll be any good.-0

While you may enjoy regurgitating unsubstantiated crap which you yourself have not justified in any way, it is pointless and you have yet to say anything of substance. I am a farmer who joins games with people who have a tendency never to play one round, yet you have in no way shown how it is me responsible for that. You say that farming is bad yet you have yet to show how it is farming which results in noobs not coming back to the site and not just their lack of interest. You have referenced me being a convicted cheater yet you have failed to show ONE example of me cheating.

Until you can justify yourself, your comments are worthless and are just a waist of everyones time.

[MajorRT]

Simple answer:

Taking newbies out of the ethical equation because all farming of newbies is bad for the club (it discourages new members from staying...most farmed newbs just don't come back):

Farming for points get you something which is directly to the detriment of other players - you either take points from others, or you are pushing other players who are more skilled than you down the score board and artificially inflating points at the top. In other words, point farming leads to harm to everyone on the score board.

Farming for medals affects only those you play (and I'm going to guess they are newbies because otherwise you are just legitimately winning games and therefore, good on you!) because medals are a personal achievement and not used to directly rate you against another player. Farming for medals only harms those you directly screw over in games.

So, farming for medals is less bad from a purely ethical standpoint because it harms fewer people (yes, I have my utilitarian moments)
However, farming newbs for ANY reason is ethically dubious at best and should be discouraged...

Then please discourage it by penalties or rules, or make it impossible to farm. Make noobs start at 600 points- thay don't care, and would feel good just to become cadets.Having new recruits worth less would make it more risky to farm for less gain.
Or make it impossible for noobs to play anyone over a certain rank, until they become more skilled.
Or make a rule against farming...loke a permaban.
But please DO SOMETHING instead of talking and watching as farmers keep reaping their crops....

[Cundy]

it seems everything is farming. It may be easier to explain what is not farming.

the only thing I can think of that may make everyone agree is if every player only plays the number 1 ranked player. than its not farming.

farming is joining games against much lower ranks or starting games you know and wish low ranks will join.

Im assuming since you are trying to defend farming you make the occasional trip to the nub cake bakery lol.
Lets just take a look at your... Oh DEAR GOD, jonny shame on you. lol just joshin

[owenshooter]

it seems everything is farming. It may be easier to explain what is not farming.

farming is joining games against much lower ranks or starting games you know and wish low ranks will join.

completely disagree... if you START a game, you have no control over who joins. i do agree however, that farming is JOINING games against much lower ranks in an effort to garner some quick free points.-0