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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby Nikolai on Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:53 am

turtlewax wrote:no...I broke the rules, got banned, was offered that I could come back (read the email content above 5 times) paid and then was busted bor being the lion. but I already paid for the new membership.


Man, you're on a multi now. This would be... what, your fifth offense? Sixth? I can deduce that just from what you've confessed to in this thread. Even if you didn't already deserve losing your premium, in order to whine about being "swindled", you earned the penalty you're whining about.

Androidz... I admire your sentiment. Really I do. But... Well, suffice it to say I think you should consider carefully with whom you run.

Think I'm done with this... there's nothing else to say, and I don't feel like getting flamed more for stating the obvious. The guy's earned everything he gets.
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby turtlewax on Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:56 am

Nikolai wrote:
turtlewax wrote:no...I broke the rules, got banned, was offered that I could come back (read the email content above 5 times) paid and then was busted bor being the lion. but I already paid for the new membership.


Man, you're on a multi now. This would be... what, your fifth offense? Sixth? I can deduce that just from what you've confessed to in this thread. Even if you didn't already deserve losing your premium, in order to whine about being "swindled", you earned the penalty you're whining about.

Androidz... I admire your sentiment. Really I do. But... Well, suffice it to say I think you should consider carefully with whom you run.

Think I'm done with this... there's nothing else to say, and I don't feel like getting flamed more for stating the obvious. The guy's earned everything he gets.


Yes, I have made multis. I admit it. But they told me that I could come back and play cc, if I repaid the premium. I did... and had no multi's. Then I was banned for being the_lion. That was the account that I was the original time I paid to play.

At least you're going to shut up now. Thanks for that. By the way, I think its funny that you care so much when you have never paid for an account.
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby Androidz on Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:59 am

turtlewax wrote:
Nikolai wrote:
turtlewax wrote:no...I broke the rules, got banned, was offered that I could come back (read the email content above 5 times) paid and then was busted bor being the lion. but I already paid for the new membership.


Man, you're on a multi now. This would be... what, your fifth offense? Sixth? I can deduce that just from what you've confessed to in this thread. Even if you didn't already deserve losing your premium, in order to whine about being "swindled", you earned the penalty you're whining about.

Androidz... I admire your sentiment. Really I do. But... Well, suffice it to say I think you should consider carefully with whom you run.

Think I'm done with this... there's nothing else to say, and I don't feel like getting flamed more for stating the obvious. The guy's earned everything he gets.


Yes, I have made multis. I admit it. But they told me that I could come back and play cc, if I repaid the premium. I did... and had no multi's. Then I was banned for being the_lion. That was the account that I was the original time I paid to play.

At least you're going to shut up now. Thanks for that. By the way, I think its funny that you care so much when you have never paid for an account.


Even tough i support you Turtle, i dont think typeing that way will help you. Nikolai had his steam blown out cause hes against mutlies i cant blame him but you dont need to tell him to shut up thats not the right way to go about this matter. But what they did to you is not fair, and thats why i support. They could give your premium back.
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby MOBAJOBG on Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:21 am

1. the_lion who has a premium account and is in possession of a few multi accounts got banned.
2. Created polarbeast23 from a different ip and paid premium just to be in CC again even after reading shocking e-mail.
3. Then the administrators were tip-off by THE KINGS that polarbeast23 is indeed the_lion, hence the revocation of premium again.

I've got it now but I still need to hear the administrators' version to get the complete picture.
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby Nikolai on Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:26 am

turtlewax wrote:By the way, I think its funny that you care so much when you have never paid for an account.


Mm... I should explain that, that's actually a legitimate question. It recently took me a week of digging back through old e-mails and notes to find my username and password for my old account when I wanted to start playing again after a year off. I did all that because I firmly agree with and support the site rules about multis.

I could easily have started another account. There's even a good chance I wouldn't have been busted... having been absent for a year and playing from a different computer and ISP. And I wouldn't have lost anything important by it... I'm here to have fun playing, not to climb the ladder. (Well... I do enjoy looking back at my old games and remembering all those doubles games with poo-maker when he was a lowly major. That's a nice benefit to having my old account.) But it was important to me to uphold the rules of the site. I figure if I want to play here, I should play by the rules, right from the start. You can probably understand my frustration when I see a repeat multi who has received grace from the mods whining and complaining that he isn't being treated fairly.

Furthermore, I have some history with this site I don't think any of you have. I was here for dugcarr1, and even before that, back in the days when the 'stachewackers were bragging it up about how they had chased Twill away, then screaming because they got a temporary forum ban. So I've seen many of the major screaming moments where the mods were attacked the most by site members. And in most cases, I find that the people who whine and complain the most about how the mods are unfair are the people most willing to play fast and loose with the rules when applied to them, in turn. This, it seems clear, is another such case.

I'm not saying the system's perfect. When I was in the Dragoons, we had some issues with a mod who was inflexible to the extreme. But if you're going to play here, you've got to be willing to play by the rules you agreed to use when you came.

Oh, and turtlewax? I was premium for a year. I just happen to be satisfied with four games right now, and I have no need/desire for private or speed games. Careful what charges you toss around without full information.
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby Dancing Mustard on Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:17 am

It just seems wrong that CC allows users to pay $25, to sign up with nothing but bona fide good intentions, and then promptly bans them with no refund... because they did something wrong in the past.


Sure, if CC is determined to ban the Lion, then we can't do anything about it. But isn't it just gouging and dishonest to keep $25, yet provide no service? If CC wishes to ban somebody who has paid in good faith, and not breached guidelines since payment was made, then surely a refund is due?

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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby chaosfactor on Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:04 am

I Think If They re-instated Lions Premium, I will re-instate mine.
There ya go that covers that then! A couple of beers for the lads, and every-one happy :D

Lets Have a whip round, for the Lions case! Any-Border line, Non-premiums want to join in with my Pledge??? :!:

Beside's which, off-shore Rebel activity might suddenly cease! ;)
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby deliaselene on Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:46 am

MOBAJOBG wrote:1. the_lion who has a premium account and is in possession of a few multi accounts got banned.
2. Created polarbeast23 from a different ip and paid premium just to be in CC again even after reading shocking e-mail.
3. Then the administrators were tip-off by THE KINGS that polarbeast23 is indeed the_lion, hence the revocation of premium again.

I've got it now but I still need to hear the administrators' version to get the complete picture.



NO... he was NOT banned initially for being a multi ... the_lion NEVER cheated

the_lion was a colourful personality in FW and a great player...I played dubs with him
however we clashed with wickid for various reasons mainly her inconsistent decisions and comments
eventually the_lion was perma-banned (he was premium member)
in protest he came back and posted on a couple of occssions
then he registered as polarbeast23 and played cc
he was discovered and banned but after discussions with admin reinstated once he paid for membership
then he was perma banned
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby lancehoch on Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:14 am

Locked for 24 hours to let things cool off a bit.
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FREE THE LION

Postby hulmey on Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:09 am

nuff said...stand up funny and nice guy. Ive been on the end of some of his flames but they still made me giggle like a girl :P
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Re: FREE THE LION

Postby t-o-m on Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:36 am

lololol

Me & him didnt get along.
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Re: FREE THE LION

Postby deliaselene on Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:39 am

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Re: FREE THE LION

Postby deliaselene on Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:40 am

t-o-m wrote:lololol

Me & him didnt get along.



and?
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Re: FREE THE LION

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:41 am

here is your image....

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Re: FREE THE LION

Postby deliaselene on Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:46 am

and everyone does deserve a second chance...

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Re: FREE THE LION

Postby Optimus Prime on Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:01 am

We don't really need two threads about this do we?
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Re: FREE THE LION

Postby hulmey on Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:15 am

Optimus Prime wrote:We don't really need two threads about this do we?


Yes, lion is a very important part of CC. Anyways the other thread was locked :?
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Re: FREE THE LION

Postby clapper011 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:15 am

exactly, merging with the other thread.
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby lancehoch on Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:20 pm

Due to reconsideration, I have opened this thread back up. Please keep this to presenting evidence for or against the_lion being unbanned. This thread will be monitored for a period to make sure that the discussion remains where it should be.
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby deliaselene on Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:25 pm

lancehoch wrote:Due to reconsideration, I have opened this thread back up. Please keep this to presenting evidence for or against the_lion being unbanned. This thread will be monitored for a period to make sure that the discussion remains where it should be.


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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby deliaselene on Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:15 am

ok klobber coped a six month ban
lancehoch wrote:Being that he will not return until February, can we please put this topic to rest?


as did suggs

I assume klobber for trolling and suggs for post r/l

the_lion did neither... he posted insults back at wickid

decisions dont seem very consistent or fair

and before we discuss what lion did AFTER he got the perma ban

can we weight up the facts and agree that the decision was flawed...
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby danodukebb on Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:46 am

deliaselene wrote:ok klobber coped a six month ban
lancehoch wrote:Being that he will not return until February, can we please put this topic to rest?


as did suggs

I assume klobber for trolling and suggs for post r/l

the_lion did neither... he posted insults back at wickid

decisions dont seem very consistent or fair

and before we discuss what lion did AFTER he got the perma ban

can we weight up the facts and agree that the decision was flawed...


very flawed...didn't he do it all IN flamewars and not flaming outside?
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby owenshooter on Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:39 am

deliaselene wrote:and before we discuss what lion did AFTER he got the perma ban
can we weight up the facts and agree that the decision was flawed...

well, the fact is, he still did what he did after his ban, regardless of the reasons WHY. sooo, i don't think you can have a valid discussion about it, if you limit it to the things he only did BEFORE his ban. he could have attempted to get it all set straight, before he did what he did, right? there are channels and avenues... i've always found the mods/admins to be more than willing to reconsider something, if you are rational, calm, and present facts. sooo, i think you are trying to shape the argument by limiting it to the things he did ONLY before his ban. for me, it is about what he did after his ban.-0
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby deliaselene on Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:08 am

owenshooter wrote:
deliaselene wrote:and before we discuss what lion did AFTER he got the perma ban
can we weight up the facts and agree that the decision was flawed...

well, the fact is, he still did what he did after his ban, regardless of the reasons WHY. sooo, i don't think you can have a valid discussion about it, if you limit it to the things he only did BEFORE his ban. he could have attempted to get it all set straight, before he did what he did, right? there are channels and avenues... i've always found the mods/admins to be more than willing to reconsider something, if you are rational, calm, and present facts. sooo, i think you are trying to shape the argument by limiting it to the things he did ONLY before his ban. for me, it is about what he did after his ban.-0


Owen, thank you for your input.. yes their are channels and avenues but at that time wickid was the mod concerned... and lack it appears consider the arguments put forward are rational, calm and factual enough that he is reassessing the decision....
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Re: Everyone deserves a second chance...case in point the_lion

Postby danodukebb on Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:16 am

so twill is reevaluating this?
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