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Didnt think it would be long before someone complained. Is the CC site about to turn this way?? Dim posted in cheating and abuse that he came across the name H I T L E R and some people may find it offensive. There are plenty of other people on this site who use names from history are these gonna have to be changed in case someone finds them offensive??

Hitler has now changed his name to hells angel

Watch out custer & genghis khan have your new ID at the ready the hunt is on.

standby 666slut and poo maker they will be after you next

Touchy subject.

Im completely aghainst the PC brigade. That being said this isn't something from history.

Haha Ghengis butchered your great great great great grandad isn't likely to anger anyone.

A lot of people still alive today did lose family and friends in the 2nd world war however.

But meh, I'f your allowed to sit here and call the mods cunts etc why there is any rules at all in this site is beyond me


Typhers

How is Hitler offensive?* Its the name of a person.

Jew is not offensive, its a Jewish person.

Concentration Camp is not offensive, they are places where the NAZIs killed Jews.


*Hitler was offensive in his actions. Lets not split hairs.

Rocketry

jaseleo wrote:Didnt think it would be long before someone complained. Is the CC site about to turn this way?? Dim posted in cheating and abuse that he came across the name H I T L E R and some people may find it offensive. There are plenty of other people on this site who use names from history are these gonna have to be changed in case someone finds them offensive??

Hitler has now changed his name to hells angel

Watch out custer & genghis khan have your new ID at the ready the hunt is on.

standby 666slut and poo maker they will be after you next

i hope the site would turn this way but always be aware not to become absurd in applying the pc rule.
there's a very thin line between what's offensive and what's not.
hitler is offensive because ww2 was recent and people have relatives that suffered because of this guy. yes caesar for example killed a lot of people too but can anybody say he's offended by a user named caesar?

let's say i enter my nick as Seung-Hui Cho and you happened to be a friend or the relative of a victim of this guy. would you be offended? i bet you would. btw he's the guy that massacred 32 people at VT.

on the other hand poo maker is a funny name and while poo may be considered a bad word it is still written as a joke not meant to offend anybody.

Im not in the least bit PC but clearly one would only use the name Hitler to be provocative, people will be offended. You know full well that it is not just a name and its silly to argue otherwise, with freedom of speech and action comes responsibility, otherwise we have anarchy.

comic boy wrote:Im not in the least bit PC but clearly one would only use the name Hitler to be provocative

I would agree with this.

Rocketry

Rocketry wrote:

comic boy wrote:Im not in the least bit PC but clearly one would only use the name Hitler to be provocative

I would agree with this.

Rocketry

and yet in your previous post you say

How is Hitler offensive?* Its the name of a person.

....

*Hitler was offensive in his actions. Lets not split hairs.

DiM wrote:

Rocketry wrote:

comic boy wrote:Im not in the least bit PC but clearly one would only use the name Hitler to be provocative

I would agree with this.

Rocketry

and yet in your previous post you say

How is Hitler offensive?* Its the name of a person.

....

*Hitler was offensive in his actions. Lets not split hairs.

yup...

Eh. People get offended by anything. Hitler isn't just any old thing, granted, but if you name yourself after any figurehead of any war, you have the possibility of offending somebody. My grandparents lived through the Nazi occupation of Holland, but seeing someone named Hitler doesn't make me bat an eye. Now, if dude is making anti-Semitic, anti-Gypsy, etc remarks in-game...

Aesop Jones wrote:Eh. People get offended by anything. Hitler isn't just any old thing, granted, but if you name yourself after any figurehead of any war, you have the possibility of offending somebody. My grandparents lived through the Nazi occupation of Holland, but seeing someone named Hitler doesn't make me bat an eye. Now, if dude is making anti-Semitic, anti-Gypsy, etc remarks in-game...

i think the bolded part is the important thing here.

would you feel the same if your grandparents were killed in a gas chamber by the nazi troops?

Well, I have an autistic brother and I don't bat an eye at people making fun of autism, so yes, I probably would feel the same way.

It's a screen name. A screen name didn't kill six million people. I'd be freaking impressed if it did, though. BRB; gotta go write a screenplay. "The Screen Name of DEATH."

the custer and ghengis analogies are a joke, as is this thread.

if you can't see how the username HITLER could be offensive then you are an idiot.


I am not jewish but i have often dealt with people idolizing Hitler with all the maturity of 12 year old who is mad at their parents for taking away the nintendo.

this isn't even remotely PC. If some native american user had an issue with a player named Custer, then that would be PC. But this is Hitler, a universally hated tyrant responsible for the Holocaust.

get over it.

Actually, Custer would be pretty funny if he just gathered all his armies into one pile and just waited. =)

That's what CC is missing - gimmick players.

Aesop Jones wrote:Well, I have an autistic brother and I don't bat an eye at people making fun of autism, so yes, I probably would feel the same way.

It's a screen name. A screen name didn't kill six million people. I'd be freaking impressed if it did, though. BRB; gotta go write a screenplay. "The Screen Name of DEATH."

if that's true then perhaps you're more insensitive than others. good for you, but at the same time think that others might be offended.

for example if i change my username to "f*ck you", do you think it will be allowed? of course not since it's an offensive name and it is clear my intention is to offend other people. in fact this is the key point here. the intention to offend. this is the one that must be punished.
poo maker was used as an example. while poo may be considered offensive the name is a joke so no offensive intention was shown.

for example if i change my username to "f*ck you", do you think it will be allowed? of course not since it's an offensive name and it is clear my intention is to offend other people. in fact this is the key point here. the intention to offend. this is the one that must be punished.
poo maker was used as an example. while poo may be considered offensive the name is a joke so no offensive intention was shown.

Are you claiming to know that guy's intentions when he chose his screen name? With that in mind, has anyone actually, you know, ASKED him?

How do you know the guy's name wasn't actually something like: Andrew Hitler? I'm not saying that it was, but if that was the case, I think he would have a legitimate gripe to the admins of this site coming up to him and saying "By the way, there is a chance players might think your name is offensive, could you please change it for us?"

Honestly, it is a screenname, and quite frankly, the fact that there is no written rule against using something like Hitler as a screenname, I don't think that any of you should be complaining.

Yes, Adolf Hitler did terrible things, I am not saying that he didn't, but if my name was Andrew Hitler and I wanted to use my last name as a screenname for everything, I think that is my right. How do you know that he was using it as a combative screenname? Oh, that's right, you don't.

There are far more offensive screennames on this site than Hitler, and I personally find it downright dumb that everyone made such a big deal out of this one. Get over it. The fact that he had Hitler as his screenname was in no way affecting your life.

Regards, Optimus Prime

Aesop Jones wrote:

for example if i change my username to "f*ck you", do you think it will be allowed? of course not since it's an offensive name and it is clear my intention is to offend other people. in fact this is the key point here. the intention to offend. this is the one that must be punished.
poo maker was used as an example. while poo may be considered offensive the name is a joke so no offensive intention was shown.

Are you claiming to know that guy's intentions when he chose his screen name? With that in mind, has anyone actually, you know, ASKED him?

as response i will put a quote from mibi:

mibi wrote:if you can't see how the username HITLER could be offensive then you are an idiot.

Yes, and that sentence adds absolutely nothing to the debate whatsoever. "Think like me or you're an idiot." It's lazy arguing and the sooner you toss that the better off you'll be.

I'll ask the question again: has anyone talked to the user? Anyone at all? Or are we all just rushing to judgment since the word "Hitler" invokes eight million snap judgments?

ok this is for OP as well as for Aesop,

the fact that when i reported him this guy had such things in his profile:

Location: BERLIN
Occupation: FUHRER
Interests: WAR

this kinda proves the fact that his clear intention was to shock in an offensive way. the fact that after the mods talked to him he changed his name to Hells Angel also proves my previous point. he's just a person that thinks having an offensive name is uber cool

the fact that OP actually thinks his name is andrew hitler or the fact that he sees that as a possible alternative can only mean 2 things:
1. OP is an internet noob that went online for the first time today and thinks everybody on the net acts normal.
2. OP is just arguing for the sake of arguing.

i'm more inclined towards version 2. indeed #1 is possible but after spending so many years on the net i haven found a single person, not even one, from those with offensive screen names to have a logical and reasonable explanation. yes i still haven't met anybody named: Hitler, fuckyou, christkiller, rapist and stuff like that. 100% of the people i saw with offensive names simply chose them to shock through offensive means. simple as that.

and this leads me to Aesop.
mate, mibi is right. anybody that doesn't realise how hitler is offensive and how that user's intention was to offend is an idiot or an very idealistic person that hasn't yet realised in what kind of world he lives.

Dim you said you weren't offended by the name. Why did you report it then? did some one tell you it offended them?

"With your logic Dim shouldn't these names not be allowed?"if hitler is allowed then i believe some of these should also be allowed:

jew killer
osamabinladen
deathtoamericans "


What about General Franco? The same time frame as Hitler. Wasn't he brutal?

What about the screen names with the word God in them? I am sure atheist could be offended. How about names that refer to the devil, or reference 666 or (god forbid) evil? We know how easily religious people can be offended.

I remember as a kid we used to say "Sticks and stones can break my bone but names will never hurt me."

You said in your original post that kids think these type of names are cool. Thats just it, probably a kid who wanted some attention. And guess what? You gave it to him!!!

Lets quit trying to censor people, and yes thats what I think is happening here.

Rocketry wrote:How is Hitler offensive?* Its the name of a person.

Jew is not offensive, its a Jewish person.

Concentration Camp is not offensive, they are places where the NAZIs killed Jews.


*Hitler was offensive in his actions. Lets not split hairs.

Rocketry

I couldn't agree more man! If they were saying Jewssuck or something like that i would understand it... but a name is fine

Evil Semp wrote:Dim you said you weren't offended by the name. Why did you report it then? did some one tell you it offended them?

"With your logic Dim shouldn't these names not be allowed?"if hitler is allowed then i believe some of these should also be allowed:

jew killer
osamabinladen
deathtoamericans "


What about General Franco? The same time frame as Hitler. Wasn't he brutal?

What about the screen names with the word God in them? I am sure atheist could be offended. How about names that refer to the devil, or reference 666 or (god forbid) evil? We know how easily religious people can be offended.

I remember as a kid we used to say "Sticks and stones can break my bone but names will never hurt me."

You said in your original post that kids think these type of names are cool. Thats just it, probably a kid who wanted some attention. And guess what? You gave it to him!!!

Lets quit trying to censor people, and yes thats what I think is happening here.

mate, ask yourself this question:

why do i go online?

i do it to relax to get away from rl and enjoy a game or a chat to take a break.

i don't want a kid to spoil my day because he thinks it's cool to be called hitler.

why do we censor them? hmm for the same reason we censor pornography or ogrish.com type material. simply because they offend you me or somebody else.

the name hitler doesn't offend me but other may. i find it only logical to censor stuff like that.

frankly i'm very surprised as how the censoring goes around here. i can't put women breasts as my avatar even if they come from a rubens' painting so those breasts are in fact art. but i can put jewkiller as a nickname. come on. seriously now.

very few things offend and disturb me. to be honest i would not be offended to see pornography or gore and violence because i've watched my share of that but if such things would appear on CC i would feel offended by the stupidity of the people that post them and the stupidity of those that allow them.

2girls1cup. everybody knows that video. it got posted a lot around the forum. i wasn't offended or disturbed at all after watching it. in fact i got a good laugh out of it. but i was disturbed by the fact that some people would actually post that crap in a public space were kids hang out. i wouldn't want my kid to watch that kind of crap or at least not watch it when he's 10 years old.

i always guide my internet actions by the actions i wuld do in real life. and that worked out perfectly. i have managed to make friends and get their respect. do you think that hitler fellow would recommend himself as hitler if the teacher at school asked for his name? do you think the flamers would start cursing everybody they meet on the street just because they have nothing better to do? i highly doubt it. why? because if some 12 yo frustrated kid stops me on the street spits me and curses me i'l whoop his ass. that's why he won't ever do it in real life but somehow he thinks internet should be used as a place to vent his frustrations and that's bad because some people come online to relax not watch the march of frustrated idiots

DiM wrote:ok this is for OP as well as for Aesop,

the fact that when i reported him this guy had such things in his profile:

Location: BERLIN
Occupation: FUHRER
Interests: WAR

this kinda proves the fact that his clear intention was to shock in an offensive way. the fact that after the mods talked to him he changed his name to Hells Angel also proves my previous point. he's just a person that thinks having an offensive name is uber cool

the fact that OP actually thinks his name is andrew hitler or the fact that he sees that as a possible alternative can only mean 2 things:
1. OP is an internet noob that went online for the first time today and thinks everybody on the net acts normal.
2. OP is just arguing for the sake of arguing.

i'm more inclined towards version 2. indeed #1 is possible but after spending so many years on the net i haven found a single person, not even one, from those with offensive screen names to have a logical and reasonable explanation. yes i still haven't met anybody named: Hitler, fuckyou, christkiller, rapist and stuff like that. 100% of the people i saw with offensive names simply chose them to shock through offensive means. simple as that.

Let's start by making something clear, DiM. Don't ever call me an internet "noob" again. Especially in the time frame of existence within Conquer Club, because as far as I can tell, you've only been a member here for about 30 days longer than I have.

Next, let's make it clear that yes, I was arguing just to argue to a certain degree, but not entirely. I had spent all day up to that point dealing with problems of my own within my realm of responsibility on this site, and I needed to blow off a little steam. That doesn't mean to say that my points are not valid.

Never once did I say that I thought his name was Andrew Hitler, I simply put it out there as a possibility to bring up the point that perhaps you, in your decision that no matter what his username is offensive, might have looked past the fact that perhaps someone could actually have Hitler as their actual surname. In which case, just because you or anyone else may or may not find it offensive, does not mean you have any reason to believe that he automatically did it intentionally to be offensive.

By what you have shown that was posted in his profile, I can fully believe that his original intent was to use it in a "shock and awe" and not once did I state that I had dismissed the possibility of it being so, I simply had put forth the idea that perhaps people should not jump to conclusions all of the time. It certainly happens often enough not only here at CC, but other places as well, including real life.

One final note: From what I have been able to delve, the powers that be here at CC did not force him to change his username. I fully believe that if they are willing to continue allowing names such as FUCKER and others that if he had insisted upon keeping his name as H I T L E R that he would have been allowed to do so. If I am wrong in that assumption than an administrator can feel free to correct me and I will humbly accept my misconception on the matter. It appears as though the player himself, agreed to change his name to avoid the hassles that come with judgmental individuals. I can't blame him, and I'm grateful nobody could ever find something offensive with "Optimus Prime," after all, that would be pretty lame.

Optimus Prime wrote: I can't blame him, and I'm grateful nobody could ever find something offensive with "Optimus Prime," after all, that would be pretty lame.

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