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I'm currently in an argument with another player over this. I thought I'd see what the general consensus is.

yearrgh wrote:I'm currently in an argument with another player over this. I thought I'd see what the general consensus is.

maybe you should have done a search for the topic, this is like poll 38 on this topic!!! it generally ends up something like this. um, not against the rules, but considered poor form, and a slew of people say they leave negs over it. seriously, do a search, some of the threads are pretty damn funny!-0

If you don't like the stealth, surprises and ???s of the Fog of War? Don't play it.

I did search. The forum seems not to search for three letter words, even if they're in quotes. Seems like most people so far agree with me. Sharing intel is part of the game. Not to mention the great opportunities for misinformation. It creates far greater depth to the game than the "surprises" if everyone keeps quite.

There is nothing wrong with sharing intel in the fog...only some players want to make an issue out of this...

If these players are unable to accept that this is part of the fog game, they should stick to the standard sunny games so there will be less misunderstandings.

yearrgh wrote:I did search. The forum seems not to search for three letter words, even if they're in quotes. Seems like most people so far agree with me. Sharing intel is part of the game. Not to mention the great opportunities for misinformation. It creates far greater depth to the game than the "surprises" if everyone keeps quite.

search harder... it has been hashed and rehashed countless times. i just did a search and came up with 23 threads... and "most people" is a bold statement, since that number is 11. but hey, if 11 people agree, you are easily the majority.. anyway, i stay away from fog, not my game. i don't like when people give up information in the chat... i can see the pluses and the minuses on both sides, and i just choose to no longer play fog... good luck with the poll!!!-0

I would definitely play FoW games but in 1vs1 mode only so there's no point for me to share any intel info.

share away.

do it in a game with me and i will give you a neg. you have been warned.

i would consider it acceptable, i may not like it but acceptable behavior nonetheless, so long as (like always) it is in general chat for all to see.

Well I think a neg is too harsh but if you wish to leave a neutral ....that is another story afterall it is just your opinion.

The mods should step in and have a clear guideline if this is really abusing the neg so that some players can get their way how a fog should be played over the majority. After all, the fog format does not disallow the exchange of intel which is the opinion of the majority too.

Whether it is done publicly or privately, it is irrelevant to any collusion rules due to risk of false intel and that the parties to it are not allies. To my recollection, there are no rules to compel such intel sharing to be disclosed in public game chat.

PMing army intel of a Fog game is close to admitting it is wrong by your actions and therefore by your own admission must be kept secret.

roadwarrior wrote:Whether it is done publicly or privately, it is irrelevant to any collusion rules due to risk of false intel and that the parties to it are not allies. To my recollection, there are no rules to compel such intel sharing to be disclosed in public game chat.

way to come clean on the cheating... if you are pm'ing people in your game about armies, etc... that is a straight up violation of the rules. if you put it in the chat, it's not a violation... however, think i'll avoid playing any games with you, roadwarrior... there are very clear rules, it is just how people interpret them. and if you think PM'ing others in your game, info, is on the up and up, you are sorely wrong...-0

Actually I think Roadwarrior (and the OP) are spot on here.

I don't like to disagree with Greenoaks, but I think giving neg for this is like giving people a neg for using the attack button... it's an intended part of the game. If CC didn't want you to divulge info then they'd have said, or just turned off the dialogue box altogether. Diplomacy is an integral part of the game, and there's no point whinging and bitching about it just because it makes you lose and/or you're not very good at it.

Dancing Mustard wrote:Actually I think Roadwarrior (and the OP) are spot on here.

I don't like to disagree with Greenoaks, but I think giving neg for this is like giving people a neg for using the attack button... it's an intended part of the game. If CC didn't want you to divulge info then they'd have said, or just turned off the dialogue box altogether. Diplomacy is an integral part of the game, and there's no point whinging and bitching about it just because it makes you lose and/or you're not very good at it.

Amen my brother. However, I agree with what others have said about Roadwarrior. It's not ok to communicate with anyone in any way about a game in anywhere except public game chat.

Ive not played too many fog games so haent really come across this situation of sharing info, but generally, if you can remember from looking at the game log, you can figure out who has what and where
by sharing info youre generally helping the rest of the players rather than yourself anyway so i dont see the point of it

i dont disagree in people sharing info (as long as it's in game chat) but i think it is smarter to keep info to yourself

greenoaks has actually given folks negative feedback for this that is completely undeserving, welcome to my ignore list.

chansigril wrote:greenoaks has actually given folks negative feedback for this that is completely undeserving, welcome to my ignore list.

of course i have.
if folks want to see the size of another players stacks they can play sunny games.
if they want to play games where that info is hidden until it arrives on your doorstep, they play foggy games.

so if a player declares to others the size of an opponents stacks they are negating that game option & i will give them feedback that declares this is a player who turns FoW games sunny. what weight you give that feedback is up to you.

chansigril wrote:greenoaks has actually given folks negative feedback for this that is completely undeserving, welcome to my ignore list.

I fully understand why and in fact, I also had to put some one in ignore for leaving a neg for this reason which is really abusing the neg policy in my opinion. The polls shows that a majority feels that nothing is wrong with intel sharing.

What concerns me is this: what happens when the minority leaves a neg each time and the majority had to resort to ignoring them (which is a fully understandable reaction because who would want further unneccesary misunderstandings in future fogs) ? Wouldn't this be divisive? We would have at the end of the day plenty of ignores,unneccesary negs and not to mention wild accusations flying around.

I am sure that the mods will have to deal with this issue eventually.

Hey Road-- manipulating the truth so you can have a biased poll..... that's rich. Why not title it; POLL: Sharing Intel in a Fog of War Game via PMS. After all, you are trying to justify your cheating methods- no?

I voted no for this but understand the point of view over diplomancy hence the reason I have only given 1 neg for this tactic of "sharing information". I do state my anger in chat though.
The negative was to some childish F**kwit that exposed the location and strength of an opponent that had just eliminated him in a speed game. Another has done the same to me as soon as I have attacked him!
I believe fog is there for a reason and find it very irritating when somebody opens their gob to inform the rest of the players your strength and location. Like people say, if you want the location of other players dont join fog games!!

while i do disagree with a player who is eliminated commenting on positioning (it is pretty ridiculous) i find a good portion of the fog game to be concealing your power from others... it is, if anything a more strategic game since you must do this. i do not often share intel, but do so occasionally... it is keeping the lines of communication open imo.

In my one of my fog games, a player decided to let known publicly the strength of another in one location to try to throw me off. So this shows that such a private information can be used to try to gain an advantage for himself even when released publicly. This is an example of how reasonable players play in the fog.

By the way, do ignore the malicious Scott Land above. I have reported him to the mods so that further action can be taken. Furthermore, you can check the cheat forums how the mods investigated him to see for yourself who he is. He got away with just a warning but he shows extreme disrespect to the mods.

roadwarrior wrote:In my one of my fog games, a player decided to let known publicly the strength of another in one location to try to throw me off. So this shows that such a private information can be used to try to gain an advantage for himself even when released publicly. This is an example of how reasonable players play in the fog.

By the way, do ignore the malicious Scott Land above. I have reported him to the mods so that further action can be taken. Furthermore, you can check the cheat forums how the mods investigated him to see for yourself who he is. He got away with just a warning but he shows extreme disrespect to the mods.

manipulating the truth again-- please stay on topic. please direct me to the thread where i got a warning? nothing comes out of your mouth except lies.... a good indication of your character. a cheater always lies and liars always cheat- you're truly pathetic.

Sharing information on chat is fine, by PM it is not and constitutes cheating.

If you trust them, they are your rivals after all, it is fine.