Conquer Club

RESERVED - HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES TO GO HERE

Ok - So there is a thread of CC All Time top scorers. It seems to me that list is a little unfair because it fails to account for leverage, like playing 100 8 player games at a time with big net points at stake.

On the one hand, there is leverage. Take a freemium player who nets say 20 points/week playing at the max cap of 4 games at a time. If the player had been in 40 games, they'd presumably be netting 200 points a week (up to the point where there's nobody to challenge "up" in rank/points).

Also, there is the snooze effect of multi-player games. A freemium player who locks in to four 8-player games will be taking, say, four turns every 8 days or so based on average turn times, deadbeating, etc. Boring. And inconsistent. The pipeline can get exhausted and you can get no points for days as games are in the early stages. But these are the big payday games that bring in 100+ point gains. Without them, how tough would it be to get to Colonel or Brigadier? Yes, it's a lot tougher, IMHO, to make it to the top of the leaderboard as a freemium. So I'm creating a place to recognize freemium players... a Freemium Hall of Fame.

It works like this.

1) You have to be nominated to get in.
2) The nomination has to be seconded by at 1 person who has lost a game to the nominee, and 1 person who has won a game against the nominee.
3) To be eligible for nomination, the player must have made it to the top 200 on the leaderboard (that would currently be ~1%), and at the time of nomination be currently in the top 0.5% of the leaderboard (anticipating the site will continue to grow), all while being freemium continuously, have played a minimum of 500 games, and have a win rate of at least 50%. (I'll have to see how this can be verified...)

I think that will be a good way to recognize some of the otherwise understated talent.

So nominate away. I'm not promising anything by way of managing the follow up, but I'll do my best.

hmmm... interesting..-0

Owen, owen, owen... I knew somebody would gun jump here, so that why I had to post the empty second post and then go back to edit it. It should now answer your questions. If you don't care, you can just act like this thread doesn't exist

gdeangel wrote:Owen, owen, owen... I knew somebody would gun jump here, so that why I had to post the empty second post and then go back to edit it. It should now answer your questions. If you don't care, you can just act like this thread doesn't exist

all i said was, it is interesting... wow....

gdeangel wrote:If you don't care, you can just act like this thread doesn't exist

Okey dokey! Thanks for the option.

gdeangel wrote:Ok - So there is a thread of CC All Time top scorers. It seems to me that list is a little unfair because it fails to account for leverage, like playing 100 8 player games at a time with big net points at stake.

Better yet! Hearing of a guy who makes 100 1vs1 games and then deadbeats and then joining all his games!

I think the "it works like this" criteria looks pretty good, yet any freemium can be eliminated
from elite silver status by a simple gifting of membership.

Didn't thik of that oVo... I wonder if anyone turns down gifted premium?

I guess the point is not that you have to be freemium forever, just have to accomplish the milestones while being freemium. The idea of the testimonials being that even if someone gets nominated and is premium at the time, having other players back up the claim that they were freemium when they played each other would confirm it. I'd actually be more concerned that someone who was premium then lapses over to freemium and gets nominated based on a mistake (or intentionally deciet).

Well, if anyone on the inside can post up with whether or not there's another way to confirm - like I PM you saying XXX is nominated... can you confirm (s)he was at the time freemium? and someone with those records gets back to me with an authoritative response? Otherwise I admit it's going to be tough to confirm.

OK, so maybe I wont ignore it...

So, I've gotten into it with people about those who play for free and their "importance" to the site. I also understand why Lack allows limited gaming on the site for free. Yes, they do increase the amount of players so there's more games. However, one has to assume that the primary purpose of allowing free use of the site is to turn people on to it so they might decide to start paying him for his work.

To translate that to my industry, it's like places giving out free grub at happy hour or even donating gift certificates to charity auctions. Giving away free goods to lure in new customers.

This, however, doesn't change the fact that those who decide they like the site and yet decide not to pay are not entirely unlike those who go to the same place for happy hour every night, load up on nachos and wings and then nurse a diet coke. These people will also argue that they're doing their part by making the bar look busy and thus, more exciting to others. However, in reality, they're just sort of exploiting somebody's attempt at generating more business.

So, are we seriously talking about a HOF or mooches? More importantly are you seriously inferring that making a high rank playing freemium is somehow more noble than not. You certainly seem to be by saying all the ways those who can play unlimited games can cheese their way to a high rank. Ironic, that somebody who's happy not to pay someone for a service they enjoy would suggest this.

Many of us literally cannot pay, or would not use a premium.

thisisacat wrote:Many of us literally cannot pay, or would not use a premium.

i subscribe to CC, but i can't subscribe to this... it is 25 dollars!!!-0

Personally I don't think I have time to play 20 games at once... being a freemium is fine with me.

Why does somebody have to be nominated though? In the other high score threads the community keeps track and reports the top scores. I say that we are eligible for the high score list if our freemium high score is at least 100 more than our premium high score. That way someone can't have their premium expire and win a game just to get on the list.

That being said, I would like to nominate myself, my high score being 1861.

owenshooter wrote:

thisisacat wrote:Many of us literally cannot pay, or would not use a premium.

i subscribe to CC, but i can't subscribe to this... it is 25 dollars!!!-0

And many of us are not fully independent adults. I could afford it, but I wouldn't use it enough for it to be worth it. I know many people who couldn't afford it without giving up something more important.

thisisacat wrote:And many of us are not fully independent adults. I could afford it, but I wouldn't use it enough for it to be worth it. I know many people who couldn't afford it without giving up something more important.

crack is not that important... and you can always hit the $2 dollar whores on $1 dollar day... just budget...-0

Why a minimum # of games?

And why 50% min win ratio?

It is much more difficult to get a high score with a low win ratio...
therefore more 'noble', n'est pas?

And while you're thinking it through....

Current Freemies over 2500:

11 mhennigan 3420 210 103 (49%) Brigadier 15-1 United Kingdom
37 Karlo Veliki 2971 357 189 (53%) Colonel 26-0 Croatia
38 Old Maxwell 2966 105 46 (44%) Colonel 14-0 Canada
47 crookface 2853 665 435 (65%) Colonel 80-0 United Kingdom
49 torcav2 2824 838 710 (85%) Colonel 129-1 Colombia
52 Siz 2802 125 53 (42%) Colonel 9-0 Thailand Thailand
57 Lord Nuke 2730 133 72 (54%) Colonel 32-0 Netherlands
62 mikiesdios 2695 238 149 (63%) Colonel 15-0 Spain
63 egy007 2682 110 40 (36%) Colonel 4-0 Lithuania
65 CD_Tester 2665 68 41 (60%) Captain 15-0 Australia
69 superrag 2646 260 155 (60%) Colonel 26-0 Spain
76 hasaki 2633 337 137 (41%) Colonel 25-0 Japan
83 alexad99 2626 243 72 (30%) Colonel 12-0 United States
84 FlyingDust 2624 133 69 (52%) Colonel 12-0 United States
89 22DK 2595 132 57 (43%) Colonel 12-0 United States
92 jac99 2590 54 33 (61%) Lieutenant 12-1 United States
95 DP07 2582 333 123 (37%) Colonel 35-0 United States
96 MeDeFe 2580 207 81 (39%) Colonel 21-0 Germany
98 Ros 2577 535 282 (53%) Colonel 49-1 Thailand
100 Larkin2 2574 124 65 (52%) Colonel 15-0 Switzerland
103 djb1881 2563 175 71 (41%) Colonel 15-0 United States
104 Shacekenhall 2557 413 265 (64%) Colonel 29-0 Ecuador
118 Mepps 2526 351 206 (59%) Colonel 33-2 United States
119 Pedronicus 2525 453 235 (52%) Colonel 36-0 United Kingdom
125 lybim 2512 1542 800 (52%) Colonel 65-10 United States
126 Tabaqui 2512 170 78 (46%) Colonel 9-0 Netherlands

What th--- Pedronicus is on this list?!?!?! Well there's a jolly keen nomination for you...

Just a thought - does getting a premium at any time permanently disabuse you of freemium-ship? It seems to me that just because somebody gets a premium (something to be encouraged) their accomplishments before getting it shouldn't be forgotten. Also, does this list include players who let their premiums expire? At least one inquiring mind wants to know.

thisisacat wrote:

owenshooter wrote:

thisisacat wrote:Many of us literally cannot pay, or would not use a premium.

i subscribe to CC, but i can't subscribe to this... it is 25 dollars!!!-0

And many of us are not fully independent adults. I could afford it, but I wouldn't use it enough for it to be worth it. I know many people who couldn't afford it without giving up something more important.

Actually, I can buy the "some people can't afford it" story but not so much the "don't use it enough to be worth it". At least not in most cases and certainly not yours. You've played 55 games in a year. Had you paid, each game would have cost you less than fifty cents. I know of pretty much nothing that is remotely entertaining that costs fifty cents a pop.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is any grave sin. Rather, nothing to be particularly proud of. Considering the OP intimated that getting to the top of the ranks by going premium is basically taking the easy way...

I would also like to make a suggestion to anyone who spends any remotely significant amount of time here and can't afford $2/month. Maybe instead of trying to figure out how to make page 1, you should get a freaking job.