Conquer Club

Im always happy to play most anyone but I quit playin the lowest 3-4 ranks if i dont know em!!

But just for those that moan when they cant get into experienced players games. Here's why:

a) stupid play. recruits getting bored and suiciding. Not playing serious and studying the game.
b) god damn allying before one single player is double the size or a very reasonable threat to all others.
c) the archaic scoring system still needs balancing so higher points can play lower point players and viceversa without worrying about groups of lower score players (subconscious or on purpose) ganging the high point. And the same for high point ganging the low point to safeguard point loss.

edit: Ok to clear up my scoring change thought: Currently- Score = loser points divided by winner points x 20

A 2000 player beats a 1000 player = Score 10 (x15 ratio = 7.5 points won. x10 ratio = 5 points won)
1000 player beats 2000 player = Score 40 (x15 ratio = 30 points won. x 10 ratio = 20 points won)

Its disproportionate to the scores held by the players. I would make the ratio x15 or x10.

Thats my opinion for those who like to score.

General Mayhem wrote:b) god damn allying before one single player is double the size or a very reasonable threat to all others.

this is done by many "high-rankers" as well - if you think it´s only by "unknown low ranks" then i´d guess it´s your personal experience.. (not that youre claiming your personal experience is universal but still.. lots of high rankers have low morals and call the style "smart")

General Mayhem wrote:c) the archaic scoring system still needs balancing so higher points can play lower point players and viceversa without worrying about groups of lower score players (subconscious or on purpose) ganging the high point. And the same for high point ganging the low point to safeguard point loss.

That's a very good point, perhaps losses could be capped at a lower number than 100 but, in order to not make it more attractive for higher ranks to feed on newbs, the points relation could not be linear and trend towards zero faster than they do. So, the good news of a guy with 2000 playing somebody with 1000 is that he's not going to lose 40 points if he loses. The bad news is that he's only going to get 5 or something rather than 10.

Agree with the thread author - I've been playing almost exclusively in tournies for the last couple of months and that means with many low ranked players and the amount of ridiculous moves that I see seems to be on the increase. I definitely feel targeted not because of my position on the board, but because of my rank. That being said I've also seen many officers make similar stupid moves (taking out large stacks in escalating for no strategic value, etc.). To be fair there are probably people out there who can attest to my fair share of stupid moves.

I completely agree and welcome to my world. 600+ points lost in the past week, which for the most part was due to suiciding low rank players. 4 separate games I lost 70-80 points each. Easy come, easy go I guess.

and your high ranked buddies dont do all of the above???????

I will always play low ranked players Even cooks....

wacicha wrote:I will always play low ranked players Even cooks....

but the question is wac, would you generally agree on the above?

snufkin wrote:

General Mayhem wrote:b) god damn allying before one single player is double the size or a very reasonable threat to all others.

this is done by many "high-rankers" as well - if you think it´s only by "unknown low ranks" then i´d guess it´s your personal experience.. (not that youre claiming your personal experience is universal but still.. lots of high rankers have low morals and call the style "smart")

Maybe so, but I feel it should be agreed prior or very early on. I join singles for singles, doubles for teaming.

TheScarecrow wrote:and your high ranked buddies dont do all of the above???????

they do it less mate. im not generalising here. its just newer players do the above more due to lack of experience here, sometimes lack of skill and lack of honour. some higher ranks may do also but much less.

so you are going to cry because you might lose 40 points?

You need to read a book that is entitled "Losing 40 Points V The End of the World : A Study in Contrast"

TheScarecrow wrote:so you are going to cry because you might lose 40 points?

You need to read a book that is entitled "Losing 40 Points V The End of the World : A Study in Contrast"

so your a bit of a dick then eh.
i guess your here for beef.
im not bothered about losing 40 points aslong as the player played well. you prat.
im just saying id play more people i didnt know if the score system was more balanced. it guards a little against the points i mentioned above.
you can write. but can you read?
i bet your one of those who doesnt care about points. well thats fine but dont bitch about players who like points. this game is competitive and thas why the points are there.

wacicha wrote:I will always play low ranked players Even cooks....

That's because you're a good bloke, and you don't think that your Risk score is a serious business.
All this whingy-whiny "I'll lose 50 whole points oneoneone" rubbish is geekery gone mad; people need to just lighten up about it and remember that their arbitrary-unitstally (Read: score) is something that they don't need to give a flyingfuck about.

Once more with feeling for those who appear to have forgotten: It's all just a game

TheScarecrow wrote:so you are going to cry because you might lose 40 points?

You need to read a book that is entitled "Losing 40 Points V The End of the World : A Study in Contrast"

This was a great post. Props.

General Mayhem wrote:so your a bit of a dick then eh.
i guess your here for beef.
im not bothered about losing 40 points aslong as the player played well. you prat.
im just saying id play more people i didnt know if the score system was more balanced. it guards a little against the points i mentioned above.
you can write. but can you read?
i bet your one of those who doesnt care about points. well thats fine but dont bitch about players who like points. this game is competitive and thas why the points are there.

No he's not a bit of a dick.
No he's not here for 'beef'; he's here to tell you how ridiculous you're being
Why give a shit how you lose the points? They don't mean anything
If you don't want to play players you deem "too risky" then shut up and stop playing them; don't come and whine about them here as if they're making the sky fall down.
"I bet you're one of those who really cares about points. Well thats fine but don't bitch about players who think they're retarded. This game is a game, and thats why you're supposed to be having fun instead of moaning and bitching."

Seriously, get a life and quit whining.

well well. we got another dick here. you people are to eagre to insult before you understand or read what i've said.

If you read my fuckin post you'll realise im not majorly bothered about points. i will play all ranks, as long as i know them from now on.
Im saying i dont like playing idiot players who mess up games coz their to lazy to stick with it or panic and ally up early etc etc.
Its a statistical fact that they will more likely be newbies.

If you dont give a shit about points at all thats cool. Maybe there should be an option for you to turn your points off!?!? (hmmm)
Then you no points players can all play together in your fun little world with no reference to how well your doing (or not).
Would that make you happy? I think i'll suggest it actually. not a bad idea.

No he's not a bit of a dick. how do you know?
No he's not here for 'beef'; he's here to tell you how ridiculous you're being
Why give a shit how you lose the points? They don't mean anything. then why do we have them
If you don't want to play players you deem "too risky" then shut up and stop playing them (i have. thats what ifckin said); don't come and whine about them here as if they're making the sky fall down.
"I bet you're one of those who really cares about points. Well thats fine but don't bitch about players who think they're retarded. This game is a game, and thats why you're supposed to be having fun instead of moaning and bitching." i do have fun. stupid players spoil the fun. but i guess you like to bend over and get shafted rather than try to win games?

dont tell me what i can and cant post buddy. thats what the forums are for. if no one complained or made suggestions nothing would get improved.

(ooo over 7000 posts. your a forum whore arent you. i think i have a bit more of a life than you kiddo! LMFAO. get a grip)

if this was moved to flame wars id give you a piece of my mind 'General'

just because i dont mind losing points doesnt mean im a 'dick' although yes I'm glad to have one.

i like beef, pork is nice... bacon and eggs on saturday morning yummmm

c) the archaic scoring system still needs balancing so higher points can play lower point players and viceversa without worrying about groups of lower score players (subconscious or on purpose) ganging the high point. And the same for high point ganging the low point to safeguard point loss.

THEN YOU SAY

im not bothered about losing 40 points aslong as the player played well. you prat.

make up your friggin mind!

lets talk chess for a moment. if i as a 1300 rating player was to play a Grand Master in a game and i defeated him... why shouldnt i take a big chunk of points away from him?

you higher rankers are supposed to be more skilful than us corporals, sergeants etc. BEAT US and avoid losing your preciousssss points!

you can write. but can you read?

i can read and write. In Japanese as well. I also have a University degree. I am a certified practicing accountant and auditor... how would you like me to audit your next tax return?

i bet your one of those who doesnt care about points. well thats fine but dont bitch about players who like points. this game is competitive and thas why the points are there.

i bet you're now who cant read and write???? one of those who cares about points. well that's fine but dont bitch about players who couldn't care less. this game is a game and is meant to be fun, and that's why I am here.

i do have fun. stupid players spoil the fun. but i guess you like to bend over and get shafted rather than try to win games?

i laugh. put them on my ingore and go on my merry way. i don't come on to the forum and start posting c p threads complaining about... well... nothing.

'General' you are reminding me of a little 5 year old with a bag of lollies after his mother has told him to share.

DM, I think you missed the first two points Mayhem made in the OP. Now let Scarecrow make himself look the way he apparently wants to look on his own. ok?

i agree with the original poster that unknown low ranks present a higher risk of ruining the game. and i'm not talking about points. i don't care about those. i play all sorts of ranks and just recently i lost 400+ points, most of them to low ranks. do i care? no because they deserved them for beating me fair. but when a stupid guy comes and crashes all his troops into mine just because he wants to go and hold australia in an escalating game then i really want to strangle him. it's not about the points his manoeuvre cost me it's about ruining a game where i invest my time to develop strategies and think every move. that's what bothers me. i want to have fun and if i face good opponents i'm having fun regardless if i win or lose. but when i'm facing stupid pricks that destroy the game i have no fun.

and trust me i've also had wins because of these idiots and despite wining i was still pissed because it wasn't a well fought deserved win it was a gift

General Mayhem wrote:well well. we got another dick here. you people are to eagre to insult before you understand or read what i've said.

Episode IV: The Irony Strikes Back

Scarecrow. I didnt come on here to whine you boys dragged me into it (hardly kicking and screaming i admit).
But you are missing my first points.
If you beat me fair and square then take my points. im not gonna moan. I dont care. Im not contradicting myself.
You should get more points for beating a higher ranks - of course. I agree. I stated the gap should be less. The ratio is too high. Something Ive said since CC day 1.

Apologies for calling you a dick. you caught me in a mood.

'you higher rankers are supposed to be more skilful than us corporals, sergeants etc. BEAT US and avoid losing your preciousssss points!'

I disagree completely. Higher ranks doesnt always mean more skilful. Hence I proposed the reduciton in ratio for the scoring system.

Ignore list is fine but it doesn solve the problem of bad players.
Try and understand my first post will you?
And whoopee for your degree. We've all got one these days.

Dancing Mustard wrote:

General Mayhem wrote:well well. we got another dick here. you people are to eagre to insult before you understand or read what i've said.

Episode IV: The Irony Strikes Back

Not irony. Just a little comeback to the shit you boys are dealing out when your not understanding my initial points

I like my new party hat, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over points or rank
and will continue playing public games with whomever chooses to join.

It's a game so enjoy playing it because you can't fucking win them all.
Damn the bombardments, ranks and points too... full speed ahead.

General Mayhem wrote:

'you higher rankers are supposed to be more skilful than us corporals, sergeants etc. BEAT US and avoid losing your preciousssss points!'

I disagree completely. Higher ranks doesnt always mean more skilful. Hence I proposed the reduciton in ratio for the scoring system.

I think the ratio is just fine. changing the scoring system in the way you've described would just increase the difference between the high and low ranked players.

erm sorry i didnt describe how to change the scoring system?

But id propose the ratio be changed to make the score gain lower not higher.

General Mayhem wrote:erm sorry i didnt describe how to change the scoring system?

But id propose the ratio be changed to make the score gain lower not higher.

that's what I meant. if higher ranks start losing fewer points when low ranks beat them, the few at the top will just get farther away from "the pack".

General Mayhem wrote:

Dancing Mustard wrote:

General Mayhem wrote:well well. we got another dick here. you people are to eagre to insult before you understand or read what i've said.

Episode IV: The Irony Strikes Back

the shit you boys are dealing out when your not understanding my initial points

Episode V: Return of the Irony