Conquer Club

As of today (when I looked at this) there were 23,634 players on the CC scoreboard, with total points scored of 26.75 million.

So the average CCer right now has 1,132 points.

Points inflation to date has been 13.2%, which would suggest about 5% per year.

Hmm. I think, if anything was done with the point system, it should be to eliminate inflation >_>

Interesting fact, too. I'm 800 above average or so <_<

The point inflation you are talking about is due simply to there being more players on cc. Every new player is like printing 1000 points.

Now, if you want to talk about point inflation in the "high ranks" (and here I'm talking in the major +/- level, there are several maps out there that are basically points magnets. Some players who play a lot, make dozens of public games on these maps, then take a large percentage of their games against more casual players and noobs who don't understand the dominant strategy. The effect is that these pockets of specialists are able to take a game or two from such a huge number of cadets, privates, and the like, that you have inflation of the ranks. Because they are not playing that much against "peers" on the map, they are sucking up points from the lower ranks.

gdeangel wrote:The point inflation you are talking about is due simply to there being more players on cc.

Close. It's due to people who leave the site, never to return, with fewer than 1000 points.

Timminz wrote:Close. It's due to people who leave the site, never to return, with fewer than 1000 points.

Ah Klobber's target group...

I got to where I am from whoring the Age of Realms doubles and noob terminator games.

Sadly the terminator ones are finished as I'm a noob magnet now I'm a heady lieutenant

Still when I drop back down to sergeant I'll pick them up again.

Remind me again why we ought to give a shit about point inflation?
I fail to see why it's a good or bad thing, who cares what our average/top scores actually are?

Dancing Mustard wrote:Remind me again why we ought to give a shit about point inflation?
I fail to see why it's a good or bad thing, who cares what our average/top scores actually are?

Word!

The only number that's even remotely important is the one in the column furthest to the left.

mightyredarmy wrote:As of today (when I looked at this) there were 23,634 players on the CC scoreboard, with total points scored of 26.75 million.

So the average CCer right now has 1,132 points.

Points inflation to date has been 13.2%, which would suggest about 5% per year.

I think the key point is average ACTIVE player (one who took a turn in the last 30 days). I wonder how close to 1000 the average would be if taking all past players and drop outs into account.

Timminz wrote:Close. It's due to people who leave the site, never to return, with fewer than 1000 points.

Ding ding ding!! We have a winner! Timminz answers correctly!

Yes yes, all very well. But why should anybody give a flying f*ck as to the whethers the whys and the hows? I just don't see the point...

true, there has been point inflation, but the question is, does it actually matter?

Until the average rank is a general or something, it doesn't matter at all...

MajorRT wrote:I think the key point is average ACTIVE player (one who took a turn in the last 30 days). I wonder how close to 1000 the average would be if taking all past players and drop outs into account.

If you took every account that was ever created, the average would be 1000. What a coincidence!

Dancing Mustard wrote:Remind me again why we ought to give a shit about point inflation?
I fail to see why it's a good or bad thing, who cares what our average/top scores actually are?

I think it's just that new recruits are starting at less than the average score. While 132 points not be a huge difference, the main point is that it is ever-increasing.

Timminz wrote:If you took every account that was ever created, the average would be 1000. What a coincidence!

I dunno.... I've seen some team games where a person with 1 point lost, and the team average was still taken away from him, so those points were made up out of nowhere.

BaldAdonis wrote:

Timminz wrote:If you took every account that was ever created, the average would be 1000. What a coincidence!

I dunno.... I've seen some team games where a person with 1 point lost, and the team average was still taken away from him, so those points were made up out of nowhere.

*removes foot from mouth*

frogger4 wrote:true, there has been point inflation, but the question is, does it actually matter?

No, and here's why:

Sure, the number of average points goes up. The rank of the highest player goes up. That tends to happen in competition. Look at any competetive sport. Records keep going up. People try to challenge them. It gets harder and harder, but, eventually someone does.

In CC, there is a built in "equalizer". It is called playing low ranks. Sure, it might be easier to play some low-ranked players. AND you get fewer points playing them. You CAN get up a ways just by playing lower ranked players.

THEN -- OOPS, the higher you get, the less it benefits you. You suddenly get fewer and fewer points for each win. You have to win more (THAT is the "real" inflation!). OR, you can play higher ranked players ... and then you are more likely to lose.

Either way, eventually, you either end up challanging some of the really good players, win and DESERVE to go up. OR, you lose ... and you go down.

SOMETIMES, you even lose to the lower ranked folks. THEN you lose all kinds of points. ... (and probably come here and complain about "dice" , "playing noobs"...or INFLATION).

There absolutely are people who "specialize" in all sorts of game types. Should all those specialties be ranked together? Is winning a freestyle game the "same" as winning a sequential game? Winning at Realms equal to winning at Waterloo... or Classic Risk? You can debate all sides to that. A new system of awards is pending (see "to do" list). That will give folks different goals for which they can aim.

BUT, as for inflation ... the bottom line is that inflation will occur because it is just a plain fact of competition and scoring. Some people are just plain BETTER. As those people migrate to the top ... tehy keep migrating and keep making it harder and harder for others to reach that top.

EXCEPT.... look at the scores. Is the same person always at the top? NO. It changes. Over time, whoever is at the top will lose. They will be challanged by someone new. That person will then be challanged, and, eventually lose.

"point inflation" is just one more thing for people to blame ... like the dice, like "low rankers who play me", like "high rankers who won't play me" ... like anything except "gee, maybe I am just not the best CC player out there.

Play, have fun and enjoy ...

Timminz wrote:If you took every account that was ever created, the average would be 1000. What a coincidence!

Aside from what BaldAdonis said about team game, there is also the fact that people have had their scores reset. This would be deflation to counter some of the inflation that has occurred.

lancehoch wrote:

Timminz wrote:If you took every account that was ever created, the average would be 1000. What a coincidence!

Aside from what BaldAdonis said about team game, there is also the fact that people have had their scores reset. This would be deflation to counter some of the inflation that has occurred.

I knew was forgetting something the admins did. I thought it was deleting games, but that wouldn't change anything. Taking those 2000 points from krusher definitely outweighs the 10 points made up in team games.

I personally don't think point inflation matters much, but I was really just interested to see how many points the average player had.

It also shows up what a feat it is for the top handful of players to maintain around 4500-5000 points when 'point inflation' hasn't changed much over a couple of years.

BaldAdonis wrote:

Timminz wrote:If you took every account that was ever created, the average would be 1000. What a coincidence!

I dunno.... I've seen some team games where a person with 1 point lost, and the team average was still taken away from him, so those points were made up out of nowhere.

and point resets for peeps like krusher