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in the Game 2520287, I left a feedback on a player named Pedronicus after I lost the game due to a weak move done by him:

"Attempted to eliminate 29 of my armies all spread with 25, killed 9 of it making my death easy for another player! next time use the 5 minutes to do proper math before venturing into shit play!"

Later in the game, the guy who eliminated me and took my cards made a lot of mistakes, allowing Pedronicus to win the game, however his move on me earlier in the game was wrong, badly executed no matter what the result of the game was.
Despite the tension in the game, I believe that this feedback met the regulations and stated a fact.
seems the player in question sent a pm to the moderator and this is the reply I got today from the admin:

Feedback, if used properly, can be an excellent resource to gauge reputation. If abused, it quickly becomes useless. The feedback quoted below is inappropriate and has been deleted.

Reason for deletion: Not factual


Not Factual?
in my 9 negative feedbacks, non of those was related to a mistake, bad strategy or a shit move that resulted in screwing the game for others. they were all retaliatory feedbacks!
and I sent many requests for moderators to delete those 9 feedbacks and I got 0 reply!
But admin had the nerve to delete a feedback that met the requirements, that was describing a FACT, while giving and advice to that player to use properly the time to think before screwing the game.

I think the moderators are being totally unfair, unjust, and worse: they are being biased and partial!

Next time please have the decency to admit that you deleted a negative feedback because the player in question is your "boyfriend" rather than copy paste a shitty reason like: Not Factual!!!!

This is one of the more routine reasons they give for removing feedback when they can't think of a valid reason.

I've had feedback removed a few times for this reason based on some very tenuous reasoning. Then, when I've asked for similar, they just blow me off - probably because I have a lot of negatives.

These guys aren't fair, they don't know how to run a business and they never will.

Just move on.

If you'd like to appeal a feedback decision, please respond to the email you got and it'll be looked at. Thanks.

I'll look into your requests for removal to see why you didn't get a reply. You filled out etickets for all? How many etickets and about when did you send them?

Just stop leaving negs for winners, based on their play.

If you'd like to appeal a feedback decision, please respond to the email you got and it'll be looked at. Thanks.

You'll go round and round with the mod as they struggle to sound intelligent about why they aren't hearing out your appeal. Eventually, they'll just ignore you. This has been my experience on more than a few occasions.

State409c wrote:

If you'd like to appeal a feedback decision, please respond to the email you got and it'll be looked at. Thanks.

You'll go round and round with the mod as they struggle to sound intelligent about why they aren't hearing out your appeal. Eventually, they'll just ignore you. This has been my experience on more than a few occasions.

wicked has set so many double standards with the feedback system it makes me want to puke. I do think King Achilles is a good guy, but he can only do so much on his own.

Basically. I know at least one instance where I appealed something about feedback, using an example where they helped another player in an exact same situation as my 'evidence', and got the most bizarre reply not related at all to what I clearly articulated that I was seriously questioning the intellectual capacity of the one that created it - or, the loyalty to the user they favored.

I encourage you to check out the announcement above in this forum, and contribute your thoughts to our new proposed rating and wall system.


--Andy

OK then, time for my response you idiot.

First off - the neg you left me.

Your version of events was:

General K wrote:"Attempted to eliminate 29 of my armies all spread with 25, killed 9"

I had 6 armies on Quebec, 6 on Ural and 6 on Siberia. Handed in a set for 20 armies, got a bonus of 2 on Siberia plus 3 for my go. That equals 43 attacking armies, numb nuts.
1st. If I'm not allowed to attack someone holding 4 cards with a decent amount of armies, then please explain when I should attack someone?
2nd. If I stop after removing just 9 armies, is this sufficiently bad play to warrant a negative?

Here is a sample of in game chat from the game in question...
2008-05-26 21:34:06 - General K: STOP IT RED YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH IDIOT
2008-05-26 21:34:39 - General K: YOU ARE GETTING A NEGATIVE ON THAT LAME ATTEMPT
2008-05-26 21:35:21 - Pedronicus: i stopped before i gave it away
2008-05-26 21:35:39 - General K: I lost 9 armies meanwhile
2008-05-26 21:36:48 - Pedronicus: you should stop playing this game mate.
2008-05-26 21:37:31 - General K: no you should stop playing like a fucktard
2008-05-26 21:38:20 - Pedronicus: So are you really going to give me a negative for taking 9 armies off of you?
2008-05-26 21:38:54 - General K: for killing 9 and making my death easy for blue YES
2008-05-26 21:43:04 - General K: and have the decency to apologize next time, to me and to the other players since you fucked them as well
2008-05-26 21:49:52 - General K: I have zero tolerance for bad play Red. one more shit move like that and I put you on my ignore list I swear it!
2008-05-26 21:50:47 - Pedronicus: don't bother - I'm sick of your in game moaning. Your going on mine.

As you can see General K is a very polite person....

Now onto negative feedback left for other players:

Negative Round 1 he kills 6 armies of mine... his dice worked but it was a high risk move that could have crippled both of us, beware of his unpredictable unreasonable moves..

Negative Half killed me in that game, giving my 4 cards away to another player. joined my ignore list!

Negative did a shameful move by hitting me in order to forbid me from winning. He thought that hitting me was wise but he didn't take into consideration that next turn another player kills me since I was weak, takes my cards and goes for the win! after a lame move like that I wont trust playing with him anymore!

Negative another cheap move, offering the game to another player out of despair, screwing me from getting a sure win. not a honorable move at all, this guy wont be playing with me anymore!

Negative terrible move in this game, gave the game away after a shortsighted hit! plan your path better next time.

Negative poor play in that game... he smashed my entire armies simply because he didn't realize that 1: he didn't have enough to eliminate, 2 - there was another player easier to eliminate but missed him, 3 - I cashed and placed on the map 2 minutes before he started moving but he said he was colorblind and missed it!!! be careful when playing with him...

Negative did a very bad move in eliminating at early stage, for 2 cards when the cash was still 4, and to only remain weak with few armies.

(The above is just a small sample of what he leaves negative feedback for)

and on it goes....
Loads of negative feedback left by him regarding bad moves. Jesus Christ! - It's a game played by humans, and humans make mistakes. Maybe if you just accepted that from time to time people make mistakes and got on with your next game like everyone else does, instead of throwing negatives around like confetti, you wouldn't have so many retaliatory negatives against your name.

If you want to play a game with no flaws, play chess against Deep Blue.

Also do us all a favour and leave this site.

It has to be said Generous kitty, you do seem to have a peculiar affection for dishing out negative feedbacks like a man finding himself serving kobi steak in the soup kitchen.

24 'live' negatives given out of just 46 feebacks in total with a further 2 feedbacks (negative judging by your words) deleted by the mods. You seem to play an awful (excuse the pun) lot of poor (again excuse the pun) players.

Perhaps you should relax a little, you seem a tad tense. A good decanter or two of 1962 Taylors vintage Port does it for me.

Because the dice favor me I do risk it if there is a 50/50 chance. If i see that the attack button is having user error's then i do stop but I usually take more than 9 of the enemy down with me.

That is risk.

Pedronicus is a very polite and great player. But This is Risk and If I Risk Taking you out and we both lose then I move to next game.

I as wacicha the mod know the negative part of the feedback is used by all as a tool. But I wacicha the player will never use it we make bad plays we make good plays that is the game

General K wrote:in the Game 2520287, I left a feedback on a player named Pedronicus after I lost the game due to a weak move done by him.

Yet the "weak move player" prevailed and won the game. Most peculiar circumstances to say the least eh? You have to keep in mind that all the other players on the map are also trying to win, which makes it difficult to justify dishing out negative feedback to players who attack you... regardless of how stupid you think they are for doing it.

I too sincerely believe that the majority of players who attack me are generally absolute fucking idiots for wasting their turn with such a ridiculous tactic, but I've never given anyone a neg for doing it because it is part of the game.

oVo wrote:

General K wrote:in the Game 2520287, I left a feedback on a player named Pedronicus after I lost the game due to a weak move done by him.

Yet the "weak move player" prevailed and won the game. Most peculiar circumstances to say the least eh? You have to keep in mind that all the other players on the map are also trying to win, which makes it difficult to justify dishing out negative feedback to players who attack you... regardless of how stupid you think they are for doing it.

I too sincerely believe that the majority of players who attack me are generally absolute fucking idiots for wasting their turn with such a ridiculous tactic, but I've never given anyone a neg for doing it because it is part of the game.

Said like a true RISK player

People seem to be quite quick in giving negatives for moves which they themselves do not consider the absolute best move in the circumstances. This seems to particularly occur when it affects them negatively...uhum, not that it could be sour grapes or anything (add sarcasm to taste).

He made a move, which may or may not have been a risk, and won the game. I'm not really sure that could be called a terrible strategic move. And if hypothetically he didn't win...well, it was a risk he took. But at the risk of being obnoxiously repetative...he won!

Stop having a cry cause you can't leave a negative - they're hardly taken seriously anyway.

You bunch of morons and ass lickers are missing the point.

true he won the game later on in the game, but his win was at risk after his lame move on me.
he won the game because a players made a serious mistake and NOT because he half killed me offering my 5 cards to another player... GOT THAT WISE GUYS?

as for your lame reply Pedro, I will do you a favor and stay on this server you lame hypocrite!
Who are you to ask players to stay or leave in this server? do you own it by any chance? or you really think you're a sort of leader with followers (since you said "do "us" a favor" so I presume the bunch of IGORS who replied after you are not just ass lickers).

But then again read this carefully:

THIS THREAD WAS NOT ABOUT YOU! yeah, it wasn't a complaint about you believe it or not, it was about the unfairness of the moderators who behaved on a biased judgment.
and yeah, believe it or not stupid imbecile "negative feedbacks" are meant for negative... feedbacks... DUH! unless you thought I should have praised bad plays and lame moves (like the one you did)! so the samples you copied demonstrates that I have 0 tolerance for bad moves .... this is me and I use that right whenever I feel so!

Obviously you like to follow the ass licking policy so be my guest and enjoy the IGORS in your room since I wont see your ugly face in mine anymore!

Another cry baby.

How dare he attack me...
He is not allowed to attack me...
Unfair...

He won the game???
How could he win, I should have won this game...
He made a great mistake when he attacked me...

Again stupid imbecile... this game is about moderation and not complaints.... or your brain is too stupid to realize the difference???? DUH!!!!!!!

General K wrote:Again stupid imbecile... this game is about moderation and not complaints.... or your brain is too stupid to realize the difference???? DUH!!!!!!!

But aren't you busy complaining? Tsk tsk.

Enough guys. This isn't Flame Wars.

foregone wrote:People seem to be quite quick in giving negatives for moves which they themselves do not consider the absolute best move in the circumstances.

It is not player B's "best move" that people are concerned with, it is player B's "best move so that I can win."

Everybody else is wrong, you are right General *bows to your supremacy*.

Imo ALL of the feedbacks you have left should be removed...not just this one. I won't witter on about the one you left me but lets just say it, along with most of them, are bs and are nothing more than you crying about people not giving you the game.

As for this specific feedback...HE WON THE GAME!! Doesn't matter how...HE WON!! Therefore whatever strategy he used WORKED and so of course the feedback should NOT stand!

Jeez General...grow up and stop leaving more negative than positive feedback.

General K' is one of the most FOUL MOUTHED UNDESIRABLE people to ever visit this site and i feel VERY SORRY for anyone that has the MISFORTUNE to cross his path. checkout what he wrote about me. checkout the game and chatlog in the game we played. you will all see that this LAME OBNOXIOUS FOULMOUTHED PLAYER has a VERY CONSISTENT HISTORY with most of his NEGATIVES.

This game is in fact a version of RISK isn't it?

The Game RISK is so called because you sometimes 'RISK' yourself in a game with a particular 'RISKY' move hoping to better your position or win and with that as i have found it can get SOME PEOPLE seeing RED

If we were playing for a MILLION DOLLARS or at the very least something TANGIBLE other than a RANK then i would agree with people like this guy.

BUT AS WE WIN NOTHING TANGIBLE THEN PEOPLE LIKE THIS GUY NEED TO GET A LIFE.

Its no wonder the world is in the state its in today with violence and murder everywhere when people like this guy cant understand thats LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING THAT ISNT KILLING YOU OR YOUR LOVED ONES!
so stop your whineing and GROWUP

I have said my piece and wont return unless someone PM's me but beware of this guy.

Im sure he will post some type of response and i dont really care if he does (I am sure it will be abusive)

Cheers

Aussierager

oh you're getting a PM alright.

General K wrote:as for your lame reply Pedro, I will do you a favor and stay on this server you lame hypocrite!
Who are you to ask players to stay or leave in this server? do you own it by any chance? or you really think you're a sort of leader with followers (since you said "do "us" a favor" so I presume the bunch of IGORS who replied after you are not just ass lickers).

I was requesting you to leave the site for the good of other players who haven't yet had the misfortune to play you and for the poor guy who has to deal with the etickets - because you are bound to create more work for him with your idea of what constitutes a negative feedback.

General K wrote:THIS THREAD WAS NOT ABOUT YOU! yeah, it wasn't a complaint about you believe it or not, it was about the unfairness of the moderators who behaved on a biased judgment.

Your claim that I attacked 29 of your armies with 25 wasn't true. Reason for deletion: Not factual

General K wrote:so the samples you copied demonstrates that I have 0 tolerance for bad moves .... this is me and I use that right whenever I feel so!

You are wrong. If the move people make in game, isn't to your perceived skill level -leave a neutral, add them to your foe list and don't play them again. Don't ruin someones clean record just because your throwing your toys out of the pram.

General K wrote:You bunch of morons and ass lickers...
I wont see your ugly face!

You need to seriously re think your attitude when talking to people, if you want some respect or some help from the mods. You constantly swear in public games and these bouts of swearing are offensive. This game can be played by children so keep a lid on it.

I really wish that lack would remove your ability to leave feedback / chat in game because as usual it's the minority that spoil it for the majority and having people like you on this site doesn't make this site any better of for the rest of us.

That is my final word.