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Unique Opponents? what's that mean? just anyone?

and if I play a terminator game and eliminate 3 people and then lose does that count???????

Unique opponents means different usernames. This means you cannot beat the same person 20 times. Not sure about the terminator thing, but I think you need to win.

that would be good to know for term and ass games?

Top Dog wrote:Unique Opponents? what's that mean? just anyone?

and if I play a terminator game and eliminate 3 people and then lose does that count???????

the 3 that u eliminate would count in term games, because it doesnt state u need to win the game, just defeat x unique opponents.

so does an 8 player game count as 7 opponents...?

or 1 win?


I need to finish a game to find out, might have to play a speed game...

mightyredarmy wrote:so does an 8 player game count as 7 opponents...?

or 1 win?


I need to finish a game to find out, might have to play a speed game...

It would be 7 opponents. The term "unique" is thrown in there to keep you from beating up on your buddies over and over. It's like the now former feedback system where you could only leave feedback for each player once ever. Beating one player only counts once, even if you win against them several times.

Best,
LMR

You have to win the game, eliminating people doesn't count, even in terminator games.

lackattack wrote:You have to win the game, eliminating people doesn't count, even in terminator games.

That seems wrong.

wicked wrote:

lackattack wrote:You have to win the game, eliminating people doesn't count, even in terminator games.

That seems wrong.

Agreed. When I play a terminator game I usually take an all-out approach and get as many kills as I can in the knowledge that I will get eliminated.

lackattack wrote:You have to win the game, eliminating people doesn't count, even in terminator games.

That seems a little silly. Wouldn't it be more "in the spirit" of the game type, to count each elimination?

I suspect that is a shade trickier to code... as I'm assuming the site doesn't record who eliminates who - just who wins.

C.

I would think the "spirit of the game" should always be to be the last man standing, so I agree with Lack. IMO, the fact that points are rewarded for eliminating each player should be nothing more than a 2nd or 3rd prize. There's still only one winner, IMO. Yes, yes, before you start, I understand that the last man standing isn't assured of walking away with the most points but I'm going to guess that doesn't happen often.

In fact, playing the game in such a manner where you launch ill-advised attacks to eliminate players for their points is poor play. If your attack leaves you so weak that you'll get eliminated yourself, what good was that? You ended up with a net zero game (assuming equal ranks of course). There's only one player who is assured of coming out ahead in terms of points, and that is the eventual winner of the game.

well it's called terminator for a reason... I mean who really wins a game? if in a 8 player game I eliminate all but one and he eliminates me I get 7 guys points and he only get's 1... and just get's to say he "won" the game...

I disagree with lack on term games if yeti is right then I guess I'll just stick with it but otherwise... anyways I overall like the upgrade, feedback system is a little wierd but I like it...

Top Dog wrote:well it's called terminator for a reason... I mean who really wins a game? if in a 8 player game I eliminate all but one and he eliminates me I get 7 guys points and he only get's 1... and just get's to say he "won" the game...

I disagree with lack on term games if yeti is right then I guess I'll just stick with it but otherwise... anyways I overall like the upgrade, feedback system is a little wierd but I like it...

Your example is exactly why I included my disclaimer. Well, in reality, you just described a 9 player terminator game because you would have gotten 6 guys points and lost one and he would have gotten one guys points and lost none. None the less...

Seriously, how often does that happen? I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of the time, the player with the best net points gain is the last man standing. In fact, I can't recall any game (aside from assassin and 2 or 3 player games) I've played where the eventual winner only eliminated one player. At very least, the eventual winner may come out marginally behind in points but I would like to see more than a handful of non-staged games where one player basically ran the board only to get knocked out by the "winner".

Even in flat rate games, elimination often leads to momentum and the winner takes out a few on the way out.

If we fixate on very, very unlikely absolutes, then nothing ever makes sense.

lackattack wrote:You have to win the game, eliminating people doesn't count, even in terminator games.

Oh that sux....

detlef wrote:Your example is exactly why I included my disclaimer. Well, in reality, you just described a 9 player terminator game because you would have gotten 6 guys points and lost one and he would have gotten one guys points and lost none. None the less...

oh... oops

still in a couple four player games it's happened to me... when I get a poor set up I often just am able to slide by and plan perfectly how to finish them of and usualy die in the end because of my setup. but still win more than the true "winner"

When a new recruit deadbeats in a 1vs1 game, does the win counts as unique opponent elimination for medal tally consideration?

Top Dog wrote:

detlef wrote:Your example is exactly why I included my disclaimer. Well, in reality, you just described a 9 player terminator game because you would have gotten 6 guys points and lost one and he would have gotten one guys points and lost none. None the less...

oh... oops

still in a couple four player games it's happened to me... when I get a poor set up I often just am able to slide by and plan perfectly how to finish them of and usualy die in the end because of my setup. but still win more than the true "winner"

I hate to play reality police but actually, what you're saying is not true.

I just checked your games out. You have played a number of 3 and 4 player terminator games. Of course, in a 3 player game, assuming equal rank, the only player who comes out ahead is the last man standing because anyone who eliminates the 1st player and then gets eliminated himself has a net zero deal.

So, I didn't bother looking into those games at all. As for 4+ player games, the only games where you ended up winning more points than you lost were ones that you won outright. In every game that you did not win, you eliminated either 1 or zero players meaning that you either lost points or gained essentially none.

This illustrates my point exactly. We might be intoxicated by the notion of getting the last laugh in a terminator game because we ended up with more points than the "winner". So much so, perhaps, that, like in your case, we convince ourselves it happens relatively often (or even at all). The reality of the matter, however, is that I'm rather certain that if anyone bothered to look into it, you'd find that was simply not the case. After all, the last man standing has a head start of 2 players worth of points over the 2nd to last player. The points he won by taking that player out and the points he didn't lose by being taken out. This very much stacks the deck against anyone's chances of not being last man standing but winning more points.

detlef wrote:

Top Dog wrote:well it's called terminator for a reason... I mean who really wins a game? if in a 8 player game I eliminate all but one and he eliminates me I get 7 guys points and he only get's 1... and just get's to say he "won" the game...

I disagree with lack on term games if yeti is right then I guess I'll just stick with it but otherwise... anyways I overall like the upgrade, feedback system is a little wierd but I like it...

Your example is exactly why I included my disclaimer. Well, in reality, you just described a 9 player terminator game because you would have gotten 6 guys points and lost one and he would have gotten one guys points and lost none. None the less...

Seriously, how often does that happen? I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of the time, the player with the best net points gain is the last man standing. In fact, I can't recall any game (aside from assassin and 2 or 3 player games) I've played where the eventual winner only eliminated one player. At very least, the eventual winner may come out marginally behind in points but I would like to see more than a handful of non-staged games where one player basically ran the board only to get knocked out by the "winner".

Even in flat rate games, elimination often leads to momentum and the winner takes out a few on the way out.

If we fixate on very, very unlikely absolutes, then nothing ever makes sense.

Well I must admit I play quite a few term escalating games, and My win percentage is only 31%. I do make sure I get a couple of points before I get hit. But get taken out I do about 69 % of the time.

I don't get why I don't have any medals, I think to have beaten enough opponents...

Hoofdschudder wrote:I don't get why I don't have any medals, I think to have beaten enough opponents...

Have you won any games since yesterday when the medals were added to the site? Once you win a game you will get any medals you have earned.

happy2seeyou wrote:

Hoofdschudder wrote:I don't get why I don't have any medals, I think to have beaten enough opponents...

Have you won any games since yesterday when the medals were added to the site? Once you win a game you will get any medals you have earned.

Ah, didn't know that.
Thx

Hoofdschudder wrote:

happy2seeyou wrote:

Hoofdschudder wrote:I don't get why I don't have any medals, I think to have beaten enough opponents...

Have you won any games since yesterday when the medals were added to the site? Once you win a game you will get any medals you have earned.

Ah, didn't know that.
Thx

Yep.

i only got 2 medals, its rather an embarrassment than pride.

and that just makes it harder to get the term medal which is the idea, i guess...

one question though, if u elim the last player in a 8 player term game. then do u only get credit for eliminating that 1 player or do u get credit for 7 players since u won the game?

Please read the new Score, Ranking and Medals section of the Instructions