Conquer Club

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:47 am**

So I finally got ranked... and I am pleased with this new ranking system, however there is one ranking that I have a dispute with.

Now normally I am a nice guy in the in game chat, but this one time I was a complete jerk to this one guy. The dice gods were heavy in his favor and I got up set that this guy with inferior skill was going to win through sheer luck of the dice. I ended up winning (but that is neither here nor there.) The guy I was being a jerk to gave me an understandable poor rating.

However, my issue is that he gave me a poor attendance rating... I take pride in the fact that I show up to all of my turns, and in fact I have left negative feedback (in the old system) to those who even missed one turn. So I take my turns very diligently.

Here is the issue... I admit that I was a jerk, so I should get poor attitude and fair play ratings... however, I took all my turns quickly and on time, so I feel that I should get 5 start attendance rating.

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:56 am**

I have same issue with that. Attendance should be automatically given by the site programming. Guy that missed 3 turns and got kicked out for it gave me attendance of 3 stars and I didn't miss any turns. Plain retarded. In fact he seems to give almost everyone 3 stars in all categories.

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:01 pm**

oziris wrote:I have same issue with that. Attendance should be automatically given by the site programming. Guy that missed 3 turns and got kicked out for it gave me attendance of 3 stars and I didn't miss any turns. Plain retarded. In fact he seems to give almost everyone 3 stars in all categories.

That would be because 3 stars is the norm, whether or not all of you want to accept it, that is what was set forth by CC as the norm. Unless you did something impressive, you don't deserve more than 3 stars in any category.

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:07 pm**

Optimus Prime wrote:
oziris wrote:I have same issue with that. Attendance should be automatically given by the site programming. Guy that missed 3 turns and got kicked out for it gave me attendance of 3 stars and I didn't miss any turns. Plain retarded. In fact he seems to give almost everyone 3 stars in all categories.

That would be because 3 stars is the norm, whether or not all of you want to accept it, that is what was set forth by CC as the norm. Unless you did something impressive, you don't deserve more than 3 stars in any category.

How does one do something extraordinary in "fair play"? I mean, how are you "particularly fair"? Do you not only have to not engage in shady tactics but somehow try and even out the playing field should you find that somehow you've unwittingly benefited from the shady tactics of others?

Seriously, what does it take to get a 5 in fair play from those who grade on the literal "it all starts at 3" curve?

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:17 pm**

New World
Std
Seq
Unlim
5 players

2597327
PW: sunnyeveryday

need two more players

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:19 pm**

Optimus Prime wrote:
oziris wrote:I have same issue with that. Attendance should be automatically given by the site programming. Guy that missed 3 turns and got kicked out for it gave me attendance of 3 stars and I didn't miss any turns. Plain retarded. In fact he seems to give almost everyone 3 stars in all categories.

That would be because 3 stars is the norm, whether or not all of you want to accept it, that is what was set forth by CC as the norm. Unless you did something impressive, you don't deserve more than 3 stars in any category.

how do you do something impressive with attendance ? either you moved within 24 hours or you dint. All the freemiums that play only 2 player games because they wont fork out the 25 bucks will leave BS ratings for attendance because they want you to sit there and play until the game is over. That is what speed games are for. So now we are getting nailed for BS that is the same thing compared to negative feedbacks that they were leaving. Only now we cant get them removed.

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:30 pm**

uofajac wrote:New World
Std
Seq
Unlim
5 players

2597327
PW: sunnyeveryday

need two more players

this needs to go to callouts..LOL

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:35 pm**

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:
Optimus Prime wrote:
oziris wrote:I have same issue with that. Attendance should be automatically given by the site programming. Guy that missed 3 turns and got kicked out for it gave me attendance of 3 stars and I didn't miss any turns. Plain retarded. In fact he seems to give almost everyone 3 stars in all categories.

That would be because 3 stars is the norm, whether or not all of you want to accept it, that is what was set forth by CC as the norm. Unless you did something impressive, you don't deserve more than 3 stars in any category.
how do you do something impressive with attendance ? either you moved within 24 hours or you dint. All the freemiums that play only 2 player games because they wont fork out the 25 bucks will leave BS ratings for attendance because they want you to sit there and play until the game is over. That is what speed games are for. So now we are getting nailed for BS that is the same thing compared to negative feedbacks that they were leaving. Only now we cant get them removed.

Agreed

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:37 pm**

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:
Optimus Prime wrote:
oziris wrote:I have same issue with that. Attendance should be automatically given by the site programming. Guy that missed 3 turns and got kicked out for it gave me attendance of 3 stars and I didn't miss any turns. Plain retarded. In fact he seems to give almost everyone 3 stars in all categories.

That would be because 3 stars is the norm, whether or not all of you want to accept it, that is what was set forth by CC as the norm. Unless you did something impressive, you don't deserve more than 3 stars in any category.
how do you do something impressive with attendance ? either you moved within 24 hours or you dint. All the freemiums that play only 2 player games because they wont fork out the 25 bucks will leave BS ratings for attendance because they want you to sit there and play until the game is over. That is what speed games are for. So now we are getting nailed for BS that is the same thing compared to negative feedbacks that they were leaving. Only now we cant get them removed.

Well, not that I agree at all with the arbitrary nature of these ratings, attendance and attitude are two things that I can understand average vs. superior grades in. Again, assuming that 3s were not instinctively thought of as basically negative. Whether or not you have some unfair expectation that people will be playing RT or not, it certainly doesn't suck for it to be your turn more often than not. Thus, any player who's always very quick to make his move, helps in this regard. So, again, provided the prevailing mindset was not "what did this person do wrong?" with 3s, I could understand saving 4s and 5s for those who really help move the game along.

Same with attitude. If basically say nothing but good luck and gg at the end, that is not as cool as somebody who's entertaining in chat without spamming. Once again, provided we could move past the mindset that anything short of 5 is bad, I can see where one earns you a 3 and the other earns you a 5.

You have to understand, that if the only way you can drop below a 5 is to do something wrong, then we have 3 more levels of ratings than we even need. Either that or we have 4 different levels of being bad and only one level of being good which does seem odd. That is the fundamental problem with starting at 5. At the same time, I also understand that this is an inevitable expression of human nature.

These two are both different than fair play because there's really no way of really being particularly fair. Either you're fair, or you're not. So, starting at 3 there seems silly.

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:40 pm**

Optimus Prime wrote:
oziris wrote:I have same issue with that. Attendance should be automatically given by the site programming. Guy that missed 3 turns and got kicked out for it gave me attendance of 3 stars and I didn't miss any turns. Plain retarded. In fact he seems to give almost everyone 3 stars in all categories.

That would be because 3 stars is the norm, whether or not all of you want to accept it, that is what was set forth by CC as the norm. Unless you did something impressive, you don't deserve more than 3 stars in any category.

How can you do anymore than turn up and take all your turns in any given game,how can you "impressively" take your turns in any other way?

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:43 pm**

detlef wrote:Well, not that I agree at all with the arbitrary nature of these ratings, attendance and attitude are two things that I can understand average vs. superior grades in. Again, assuming that 3s were not instinctively thought of as basically negative. Whether or not you have some unfair expectation that people will be playing RT or not, it certainly doesn't suck for it to be your turn more often than not. Thus, any player who's always very quick to make his move, helps in this regard. So, again, provided the prevailing mindset was not "what did this person do wrong?" with 3s, I could understand saving 4s and 5s for those who really help move the game along.

So now I have to check the game log every round to see who was fast and who was slow? C'mon... :roll:

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:57 pm**

Anarkistsdream wrote:
detlef wrote:Well, not that I agree at all with the arbitrary nature of these ratings, attendance and attitude are two things that I can understand average vs. superior grades in. Again, assuming that 3s were not instinctively thought of as basically negative. Whether or not you have some unfair expectation that people will be playing RT or not, it certainly doesn't suck for it to be your turn more often than not. Thus, any player who's always very quick to make his move, helps in this regard. So, again, provided the prevailing mindset was not "what did this person do wrong?" with 3s, I could understand saving 4s and 5s for those who really help move the game along.

So now I have to check the game log every round to see who was fast and who was slow? C'mon...

Well, I don't think you should have to do a damned thing because I think the whole system is freaking useless. Partially because most people feel that everyone should get 5s unless they do something really bad and partially because others adhere to some seemingly arbitrary levels of what is good.

Forgive me for not falling in line with exactly how you think. I was simply pointing out how somebody can, in fact, excel at that. Do you mean to imply that you've never been particularly pleased with a group of players who play speedy?

Again, I totally understand the fact that there's all kinds of things beyond your control like living in different time zones, etc. Just saying that there are certainly levels.

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:03 pm**

detlef wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
detlef wrote:Well, not that I agree at all with the arbitrary nature of these ratings, attendance and attitude are two things that I can understand average vs. superior grades in. Again, assuming that 3s were not instinctively thought of as basically negative. Whether or not you have some unfair expectation that people will be playing RT or not, it certainly doesn't suck for it to be your turn more often than not. Thus, any player who's always very quick to make his move, helps in this regard. So, again, provided the prevailing mindset was not "what did this person do wrong?" with 3s, I could understand saving 4s and 5s for those who really help move the game along.

So now I have to check the game log every round to see who was fast and who was slow? C'mon...

Well, I don't think you should have to do a damned thing because I think the whole system is freaking useless.

Agreed

Partially because most people feel that everyone should get 5s unless they do something really bad and partially because others adhere to some seemingly arbitrary levels of what is good.

Exactly... It is way too subjective

Forgive me for not falling in line with exactly how you think. I was simply pointing out how somebody can, in fact, excel at that.

Did either of us say we didn't agree with the other? You should learn what Devil's Advocates do.

Do you mean to imply that you've never been particularly pleased with a group of players who play speedy?

I'm premium, so why the hell would I care how fast they play?

Again, I totally understand the fact that there's all kinds of things beyond your control like living in different time zones, etc. Just saying that there are certainly levels.

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:10 pm**

Anarkistsdream wrote:
detlef wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
detlef wrote:Well, not that I agree at all with the arbitrary nature of these ratings, attendance and attitude are two things that I can understand average vs. superior grades in. Again, assuming that 3s were not instinctively thought of as basically negative. Whether or not you have some unfair expectation that people will be playing RT or not, it certainly doesn't suck for it to be your turn more often than not. Thus, any player who's always very quick to make his move, helps in this regard. So, again, provided the prevailing mindset was not "what did this person do wrong?" with 3s, I could understand saving 4s and 5s for those who really help move the game along.

So now I have to check the game log every round to see who was fast and who was slow? C'mon...

Well, I don't think you should have to do a damned thing because I think the whole system is freaking useless.

Agreed

Partially because most people feel that everyone should get 5s unless they do something really bad and partially because others adhere to some seemingly arbitrary levels of what is good.

Exactly... It is way too subjective

Forgive me for not falling in line with exactly how you think. I was simply pointing out how somebody can, in fact, excel at that.

Did either of us say we didn't agree with the other? You should learn what Devil's Advocates do.

Do you mean to imply that you've never been particularly pleased with a group of players who play speedy?

I'm premium, so why the hell would I care how fast they play?

Again, I totally understand the fact that there's all kinds of things beyond your control like living in different time zones, etc. Just saying that there are certainly levels.

I suppose I've always believed that Devil's Advocates bring up interesting but contrary takes to the prevailing wisdom, you know, issues that people haven't thought of. What you just did there was pretend I said something I didn't and then argued against it which seems more like the debate version of masturbation than playing devil's advocate.

As for your last comment. I too, am premium, but that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate speedy play (of course, not the extent that I'd ever expect it).

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:13 pm**

In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who takes a position, sometimes one he or she disagrees with, for the sake of argument. This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure.

Now you know what it means...

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:17 pm**

Anarkistsdream wrote:
In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who takes a position, sometimes one he or she disagrees with, for the sake of argument. This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure.

Now you know what it means...

I disagree. 8-)

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:19 pm**

detlef wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who takes a position, sometimes one he or she disagrees with, for the sake of argument. This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure.

Now you know what it means...

I disagree.

FINALLY, a freakin' smile! I thought you may actually be getting upset by this, when I am, in fact, only playing...

Posted: **Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:07 pm**

Optimus Prime wrote:
oziris wrote:I have same issue with that. Attendance should be automatically given by the site programming. Guy that missed 3 turns and got kicked out for it gave me attendance of 3 stars and I didn't miss any turns. Plain retarded. In fact he seems to give almost everyone 3 stars in all categories.

That would be because 3 stars is the norm, whether or not all of you want to accept it, that is what was set forth by CC as the norm. Unless you did something impressive, you don't deserve more than 3 stars in any category.

optimus... how do you outperform showing up and not missing a turn? this is all subjective. i would suggest the OP contact the individual and ask for his reasoning behind the rating. and what is low to the OP? i got a 3 in a category, which is LOW to me, and i pm'd the guy out of interest of his thought process on rating me. out of the discussion, i learned what he was thinking, and we both walked away happy. oddly enough, he saw why i was so discouraged by his rating, and he is going to change how he rates in that category from now on. does it help me? no. does it help the next 100 guys? yes. it will all shake out. the OP should contact the guy and ask him how he arrived at the rating, and do it in a civil manner...-0

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