change the rules for the foe/ignore list

[azezzo]

please dont jump on me for this not being in the suggestion forum, i started a thread there already, I just want more people to see this.

So for starters, let me say that i have always been against the ignore/foe list, I feel it is chicken shit.
Some players like codeblue1018 use it as a threat to new players, in game chat he threatens unsuspecting rookies and others as well that if they do not bow down to his wisdom, or lack there of, that he will put them on his foe list.

Now I do not want to get into a debate on wether c.c. needs the foe list, but rather I want to introduce a change to the current system of the foe/ignore list.

If someone doesnt want to play someone 1 on 1, then fine.

But I dont believe that a player should be excluded from a multiplayer game, especially if the player who started the multi player game doesnt have a problem with the individual that is on another players foe list.
For instance, lets say i go to join a 6 player game, but because player # 4 has me on their foe list i am not allowed to join.

Personally I do not use the foe list, i would rather get the satisfaction of beating an idiot like a rented mule over and over again.

[Shatners Bassoon]

I wish Klobber would take me of his ignore list,games against him on Circus Maximus are the easiest points in CC.

[detlef]

For such a demanding title, this is a rather poorly thought out proposal.

For starters, I think you're making more of this than there is. I'd imagine that there's only a few guys who make a point of abusing the foe list. After all, I've played several 100 games and have yet to have this be an issue once. Also, anyone who's prepared to be bullied by threats of ending up on ignore lists needs to get a grip.

More importantly, however, is the simple fact that many of us only have a few people on ignore and we put them there because of threads where people announced that they've been joining games and either deadbeating all of them or somehow f'ing them up. Well, I don't want to be in a game with that guy whether it;s 1v1 or 8 player. I want to be able to decide who I do and don't want to subject myself to. That chicken shits abuse the system by putting anyone who's ever beaten them on it or what have you is unfortunate but not worth throwing out the baby with the bath water.

[PLAYER57832]

Since you postes doubly, I guess I will answer doubly,

But basically, I have a short ignore list that consists of people who are absolute and complete jerks.

In one case, someone went into a whole bunch of other people's games telling us not to play one person (bad enough) and capping it with racial slurs.

Another was a confirmed "multi" who berated, swore and just plain played poorly in all his "incarnations". I believe they are still banned, but I keep them on my list "in case".

The REAL truth is that if you are on enough foe lists to cause you a problem, then there is probably more to the reason than you are putting forward. I would suggest looking at how you act in those games. Sometimes the hardest person to criticize is our own selves.

The one exception leads to a change I definitely WOULD like to see ... and that is someone who had an obnoxiously long sig, making me wait to view any thread where that person posted until the whole thing downloaded. In that case, I would not mind playing a game with the person, but am not going to keep taking them on and off my list everytime I want to read a forum thread.

[azezzo]

Since you postes doubly, I guess I will answer doubly,

But basically, I have a short ignore list that consists of people who are absolute and complete jerks.

In one case, someone went into a whole bunch of other people's games telling us not to play one person (bad enough) and capping it with racial slurs.

Another was a confirmed "multi" who berated, swore and just plain played poorly in all his "incarnations". I believe they are still banned, but I keep them on my list "in case".

The REAL truth is that if you are on enough foe lists to cause you a problem, then there is probably more to the reason than you are putting forward. I would suggest looking at how you act in those games. Sometimes the hardest person to criticize is our own selves.

The one exception leads to a change I definitely WOULD like to see ... and that is someone who had an obnoxiously long sig, making me wait to view any thread where that person posted until the whole thing downloaded. In that case, I would not mind playing a game with the person, but am not going to keep taking them on and off my list everytime I want to read a forum thread.

well i now would like to know if there is a plugin to see how many foe lists a persion is on, also a plugin to see how many other players an idividual has put oin their foe list

you ASSUME that i am on quite a few, I know that I am on codeblues1018, japanjeff's and i believe 1 others,
So 3 foe lists out of 1500+ games isnt alot, also my old feedback was like 115 positive to 5 negatives
so thanks for implying that i am a bigger asshole than i actually am.

And i am pretty sure that codeblue1018 and japanjeff's foe lists are quite long

[azezzo]

also, now that its summer and there are only a handful of speedgames to choose from, ( 5 at the moment ) being on a foe list can b a problem

[PLAYER57832]

No, you misunderstood.

You asked for a change in the foe list specifically because, you said, your games were limited. If your foe list is really that short and limited, then it should not limiting your games to any large extent.

There are several thousand players here, after all. You might hit one day when the only person playing a specific game with specific criteria is your foe. If so, just start another game. Your foes won't be able to join.

The other option ... and I do not accuse you, I am just saying that "if the shoe fits ..." YOU decide if it actually fits or not. The other option is that you ARE being excluded from a lot of games. If that is the case (and it is for YOU to decide if it is, not me!), then yes, you need to consider that there is something in your behavior that is getting you on so many ignore lists.


I and most players I know are on at least one ignore list. In my case, I first checked to see what games I had played with that person. There were none, so I emailed to see if it was a mistake. I never got a response, so I still have no idea why I was/probably still am/there.

The thing is, I only got limited from 1 game ... hardly a great limitation. I figure it was the other person's loss. To contrast this, I had over 230 positive feedback before they switched the system. Right now, my rating has been hovering well above 4.5, mostly 4.8. I don't do anything special, but I do show basic manners. I try to be nice and almost always, I get "nice" in response.

THAT is all I am saying ... if you don't like the results you are getting, then it is time to consider changing your actions.

[PLAYER57832]

also, now that its summer and there are only a handful of speedgames to choose from, ( 5 at the moment ) being on a foe list can b a problem

Start your own. People will join.


Or consider changing to different game types for the short term. You might find you enjoy them!

[alster]

Yeah. I concur with the posts above to this suggestion. All in all, even though some people abuse the foe/ignore-list, it's a good thing. With no ignore/foe-list you'd have the problem with people stalking other players if they have an axe to grind. That would just take up a lot of moderation time.

[Timminz]

If someone doesnt want to play someone 1 on 1, then fine.

But I dont believe that a player should be excluded from a multiplayer game...

Personally, I would rather play a 'foe' in 1v1, than in multiplayer.

[Thezzaruz]

Firstly I'd suggest keep all discussions in the same thread >>> Here's a linky to the thread in Suggs n' Buggs


But as long as we're dual posting this I'll throw in this thought I had to see what people think.

One idea I had was to make the friends-list work as a sort of anti foe-list, i.e if the game starter or anyone else that is already in the game has me as a friend then the above guys foe-listing of me is ignored in that game.Not sure if that is codeable but something to that effect would be a good addition IMO.

[PLAYER57832]

Firstly I'd suggest keep all discussions in the same thread >>> Here's a linky to the thread in Suggs n' Buggs


But as long as we're dual posting this I'll throw in this thought I had to see what people think.

One idea I had was to make the friends-list work as a sort of anti foe-list, i.e if the game starter or anyone else that is already in the game has me as a friend then the above guys foe-listing of me is ignored in that game.Not sure if that is codeable but something to that effect would be a good addition IMO.

This really could get dicey.

Among other issues, my friends might not foe the same types of people I foe. It could be something personal that really does not affect anybody else. (this is true for at least one of my foes).

I like the foe list, but not an expantion. If they want to foe the same people ... they can do so themselves.

[Thezzaruz]

This really could get dicey.

Very true...

Among other issues, my friends might not foe the same types of people I foe. It could be something personal that really does not affect anybody else. (this is true for at least one of my foes)..

I fully understand that, I just don't see why your preferences should outweigh mine if I start a game...

[PLAYER57832]

Among other issues, my friends might not foe the same types of people I foe. It could be something personal that really does not affect anybody else. (this is true for at least one of my foes)..

I fully understand that, I just don't see why your preferences should outweigh mine if I start a game...[/quote]
I don't quite understand what you mean?

Do you mean that someone can join the game even if they are on one person's foe list? They actually cannot if the one who foed them joined first.

You, however, can JOIN a game with someone you have foed. There is a pending suggestion to have a "pop up" to alert you if someone in the game is on your foe list, if that is what you meant.

As far as your friends letting someone you have foed play ... I would say that is between you two. Which is more important to you .. playing your friend or ignoring your foe?

[Thezzaruz]

I don't quite understand what you mean?

My suggestion was that friends-list could overrule foes-list. An example.

Three players, Player A (that has me on his friends-list), you (that has me as a foe) and me.
Now if Player A starts a game that you join then if I try to join in later it will allow me as Player A's friends-list overrules your foe-list (as he was in the game before you).
If you start a game that Player A joins then if I try to join in it won't allow me as your foe-list overrules Player A's friends-list (as you where in the game before him).
It could be discussed if it should apply to everyone in the game based on the order they joined it or if only the game starters list should count but that is just details atm.


Anyway the point of this is, why should you (if joining in late to a game) have your preferences imposed on those starting/joining the game early???

You, however, can JOIN a game with someone you have foed. There is a pending suggestion to have a "pop up" to alert you if someone in the game is on your foe list, if that is what you meant.

No it isn't pending, lack don't do pop-ups...

[PLAYER57832]

I don't quite understand what you mean?

My suggestion was that friends-list could overrule foes-list. An example.

Three players, Player A (that has me on his friends-list), you (that has me as a foe) and me.
Now if Player A starts a game that you join then if I try to join in later it will allow me as Player A's friends-list overrules your foe-list (as he was in the game before you).
If you start a game that Player A joins then if I try to join in it won't allow me as your foe-list overrules Player A's friends-list (as you where in the game before him).
It could be discussed if it should apply to everyone in the game based on the order they joined it or if only the game starters list should count but that is just details atm.


Anyway the point of this is, why should you (if joining in late to a game) have your preferences imposed on those starting/joining the game early???

I think this would just be too complicated. And, that it happen so few times, it just is not worth the effort.

The only time I know of foes becoming an issue is in tournaments.

You, however, can JOIN a game with someone you have foed. There is a pending suggestion to have a "pop up" to alert you if someone in the game is on your foe list, if that is what you meant.

No it isn't pending, lack don't do pop-ups...

The suggestion has "pending" on it, so in one fashion or other it will happen.