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Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:59 am**

Help! Does anyone have a trick in using the dice? I know this sounds like an odd question but I have to ask. In at least a couple of rounds in every game I play, I lose a phenominal amount of armies trying to take a small amount - lose 12 trying to take 1 for example. I basically lost an assassin game because of this. I no longer use auto attack because I have lost so many times with it. Also, my record for hitting a three and taking it with a three is almost completely 100% against me. I think I've only done it twice with success. Even my record of 3 v 1 is very bad. I almost never take anything on the first round unless there's a 1 nearby and I'm beginning to just deploy on the first round all the time and not try for anything.

I suspect there is some trick I am not aware of. I've tried different things, rolling the dice only when the clock is on an even number or an odd number, clicking on other parts of the board before hitting attack button, deploying in one spot but attacking from a different spot for the first attack. I compared my CC rolls against real dice, and the real dice where a lot friendlier. Then sometimes in a game I have great success and feel like a "normal" CC player.

I really couldn't believe that my luck is that bad. I trusted that the dice really are random so I compared a few rolls to real dice. The real dice are simply not as unfriendly to me at the CC dice. Is there something about me? my IP address maybe? I was chatting with a guy once during a game and he told me that one time he lost 12 trying to take a 3 (or something like that) and it was awful - one time not one time per game!! How is the possible? He was ranked alot higher than me and had played a lot more games. That's what made me think I am doing something wrong.

Does anyone have any advice on this ?

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:01 pm**

I feel the same. That's because we haven't PMed lack and bribed him to give us dice. You see some people, specifically the ones you lose against, send lack $5 every day for those dice.

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:07 pm**

Lexitonia5 wrote:Does anyone have any advice on this ?

Everyone gets the same unpredictable (and balanced) dice. The best ways to deal with your problems are psychological. Distribute your deployment to a number of places so you don't end up seeing 4 pairs of losses in a row. Don't use auto-attack so you can stop before it gets out of hand. Only attack when you have a dice advantage (4-anything, 3-1, and not 3-2 or 2-1). Also, install the dice analyzer, so that after a bad streak, you can look at it and think "Oh, I guess I've been getting good dice for a while, because this all looks pretty even".

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:09 pm**

Welcome to the "bend over and grab your ankles" part of this site - the dice. The dice file has strings of "killer 1's" that are apparently all back to back. There are also strings of killer 0-2's. Allegedly the file has been analyzed for this stuff, but it's been a sore subject. The powers that be don't like to address it. There is no strategy except suck it up, and decide whether you care enough to quit the site or not.

You never know when you're going to be rolling into one of these strings. You can try to walk away from the game for a few minutes between rolls. That only works if you have enough armies to roll more than twice, of course. It's also more of a strategy to avoid kicking your PC down the stairs than actually winning the game.

In theory, you should be able to minimize the impact of dice "luck" if you play maps where you accure huge armies - i.e., law of large numbers. To some extent this works for feudal, new world, AoR... which possibly explains some of their popularity.

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:12 pm**

first thanks for your input, second, whats the dice analyzer? I just tried to install the clickable map but I keep getting a windows error. Is this another type of script add-on?

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:13 pm**

Lexitonia5 wrote:first thanks for your input, second, whats the dice analyzer? I just tried to install the clickable map but I keep getting a windows error. Is this another type of script add-on?

You have firefox right and greasemonkey installed?

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:17 pm**

I have firefox. Don't know about greasemonkey. Do those impede my ability to install script add-ons?

Say, how do you pay Lack off? do you have the address? Does he take credit cards :lol:

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:20 pm**

Thanks for your input too gdeangel. Apparently, I'm just trying too hard to keep up with some players that I simply can't keep up with :cry:

I'm not giving up my Conquer Club though, even if I have to be a cook with 1 point to my name.

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:23 pm**

Lexitonia5 wrote:I have firefox. Don't know about greasemonkey. Do those impede my ability to install script add-ons?

Say, how do you pay Lack off? do you have the address? Does he take credit cards

Paypal

Look up greasemonkey and install, it's an addon. Then you can have clicky, BOB, dice analyzer. It's well worth it.

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:25 pm**

Lexitonia5 wrote:I have firefox. Don't know about greasemonkey. Do those impede my ability to install script add-ons?

Say, how do you pay Lack off? do you have the address? Does he take credit cards

You can only install the scripts in Firefox. There is a simple page that tells you how to add greasemonkey... here: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=41487

To add the dice analyzer, you do the same thing you'd do to add BoB, but go here instead: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=5655

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:44 pm**

Im going to break rank with the 2000+ point people.

The truth is, after you break 2000 CC gives you an extra +3% in your attack dice and defense dice for winning that roll. Ever wondered why some higher ranked people get better dice? there you go.

Im probably going to receive some flak and people are going to try and cover this up again so dont let that get you down.

I wish someone told me about the secret dice when i first came here...... :cry:

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:45 pm**

Thank you all so much!ou are all wonderful. I should have come on here a long time ago. I love those add-ons! And now that someone else has basically confirmed what I suspected all along (the higher the points the better the dice), I will hunt down some lower point players to beat up on :lol:

Just kidding, I'm not like that.

I'm going to have to strive for the 2000 mark though!Happy gaming all!

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:54 pm**

Lexitonia5 wrote:Also, my record for hitting a three and taking it with a three is almost completely 100% against me.

Yeah. Don't attack 3v3. You'll lose them all, about 80% of the time.

Posted: **Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:39 pm**

The dice advantage for the higher ranked doesn't soud right. Seems a good reason for the noncoms to stick together when facing officers.

Posted: **Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:42 pm**

There must be a bug then with my profile - I think for me it went -3% dice, not +, seeing as I continually get anally raped in games when going for kills with 6v1 and 5v1.

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:59 pm**

Lexitonia5 wrote:Help! Does anyone have a trick in using the dice?

Forget what has been said so far (except for the bonus for high-ranked players, double bonus for premiums btw). You must sacrifice a virgin to the Dice Gods at new moon and pray to them whenever you go online, also knock on wood before you click attack or auto attack. Then you will be blessed with unbeatable dice, unless of course your opponent is also a true believer.

And FI, have you filed a bug report about it yet?

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:04 pm**

Some veteran players share tales of dice...

2008-07-22 20:48:56 - Kemmler: but remember the game before, I lost that 40 on 19
2008-07-22 20:49:00 - Kemmler: that was just well annyoing too
2008-07-22 20:49:03 - Kemmler: it happens
2008-07-22 20:49:21 - Kemmler: I left teal with one bloody army
2008-07-22 20:49:26 - Kemmler: for you to take his 4 cards
2008-07-22 20:49:56 - riskmaster11: i went 8 on 25 and won once
2008-07-22 20:50:05 - riskmaster11: came through with 5
2008-07-22 20:50:06 - Kemmler: with luck
2008-07-22 20:50:17 - Kemmler: yeah, I've seen more than my fair share of dice
2008-07-22 20:50:32 - Kemmler: I attacked 40 on 19 then I had 6 armies left
2008-07-22 20:50:47 - Kemmler: I took one teritory then I had 4, then I lost all of them attacking his '1'
2008-07-22 20:50:52 - Buizerd: oh ok that is sick
2008-07-22 20:51:07 - Kemmler: yeah
2008-07-22 20:51:08 - Kemmler: that sucks
2008-07-22 20:51:23 - sideoutshu: this is annoying
2008-07-22 20:51:26 - Kemmler: oh well, you win some you lose some
2008-07-22 20:51:33 - Buizerd: i lost all too many games becouse of that
2008-07-22 20:51:45 - Kemmler: I'm afriad I have no good dice stories to tell, since I know my statistics and don't do any stupid attacks
2008-07-22 20:52:09 - Kemmler: people win doodle assassins by attacking 2 teritroies straight away
2008-07-22 20:52:35 - Buizerd: i dont play that game anymore
2008-07-22 20:52:12 - Kemmler: yeah, same buzz
2008-07-22 20:52:05 - Buizerd: some days have i really good dice and the next day really fucking dice
2008-07-22 20:52:28 - Kemmler: 3 days ago I was almost at 3300 points, I'd had brilliant dice all day!
2008-07-22 20:52:37 - Kemmler: then I lost it all the next day!
2008-07-22 20:53:14 - Kemmler: Once I attacked 6 with 24 and lost
2008-07-22 20:53:15 - Buizerd: yeah i no that
2008-07-22 20:53:18 - Kemmler: that was the limit
2008-07-22 20:53:39 - Kemmler: no wait it wasn't 24, I'd attacked with 35
2008-07-22 20:53:50 - Kemmler: 35 on 6, down to 1 on 3
2008-07-22 20:53:52 - Kemmler: that was crazy
2008-07-22 20:53:58 - Buizerd: my record is 117 versus 45
2008-07-22 20:54:16 - Kemmler: I always worry because I know that the dice can screw you whenever they choose to
2008-07-22 20:54:18 - Buizerd: and he left 7 armies
2008-07-22 20:54:29 - Buizerd: yeah
2008-07-22 20:54:29 - Kemmler: wow
2008-07-22 20:54:49 - Kemmler: so you get that feeling you are going to win then you lose a 4 on 1 and its all over
2008-07-22 20:54:51 - *manimal: why do you think im an lt right now
2008-07-22 20:55:07 - *manimal: B/c I cant win a fuckign roll to save my life
2008-07-22 20:55:26 - Kemmler: I'm gonna post this chat on the forums
2008-07-22 20:55:35 - Kemmler: the dice are just unreal, real dice don't do this!
2008-07-22 20:56:03 - Kemmler: the worst I've managed in real life is I lose a 7 on 1
2008-07-22 20:56:15 - Kemmler: never had any worse than that
2008-07-22 20:56:40 - *manimal: well I manged to lose 42vs27 yesterday kem
2008-07-22 20:56:48 - *manimal: during a sweep in 8 player
2008-07-22 20:57:33 - Buizerd: read the game from me the game before
2008-07-22 20:57:36 - Kemmler: 40 on 19 is worse for the game
2008-07-22 20:58:03 - Buizerd: that guy had really great dice

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:13 pm**

Oh looks like you've been given some of Jay's dice by accident. Apologies for that. Contact "them" and it should be fixed quickly.

Cheers

Posted: **Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:01 am**

Played a game vs aliakaber today where I had 0-8 show up three times within 5 turns.

Ali also had 1-7 vs me when autoing 10v3 and failing to take the territory.

Such rolls are bullshit, neither of us should have gotten any of that shit.

Posted: **Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:26 am**

It's actually only a +3% when you are playing with no other high rank in the game. If someone else in there is above 2500 then it disables automatically.

Quite a complicated system actually haha.

Posted: **Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:22 am**

Another twist in the system is, for every minute you take during your turn an extra 3% is added to your winning likelihood

Posted: **Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:02 pm**

max is gr8 wrote:Another twist in the system is, for every minute you take during your turn an extra 3% is added to your winning likelihood

No, it's the opposite, unless you worded it wrong. The LONGER you take during a turn, you get -3%. This is to discourage players from wasting time in freestyle games and taking their turns asap and ending. Also for sequential it's so people can be rewarded for thinking on their toes instead of trying to judge strategy on the board...!

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:02 pm**

Kemmler wrote:Some veteran players share tales of dice...

2008-07-22 20:55:35 - Kemmler: the dice are just unreal, real dice don't do this!
2008-07-22 20:56:03 - Kemmler: the worst I've managed in real life is I lose a 7 on 1
2008-07-22 20:56:15 - Kemmler: never had any worse than that
2008-07-22 20:56:40 - *manimal: well I manged to lose 42vs27 yesterday kem
2008-07-22 20:56:48 - *manimal: during a sweep in 8 player
2008-07-22 20:57:33 - Buizerd: read the game from me the game before
2008-07-22 20:57:36 - Kemmler: 40 on 19 is worse for the game
2008-07-22 20:58:03 - Buizerd: that guy had really great dice

for the record, 42v27 has the same odds as 5v1, so it's really not that big a deal

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:58 pm**

Anyone care to enlighten me what the odds of autoing 76 vs 45 and only having 8 left are?

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:04 am**

FabledIntegral wrote:Anyone care to enlighten me what the odds of autoing 76 vs 45 and only having 8 left are?

About 1 in 325

FabledIntegral wrote:Ali also had 1-7 vs me when autoing 10v3 and failing to take the territory. Such rolls are bullshit, neither of us should have gotten any of that shit.

1 in 118

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