When is it no longer trash-talking?

[foregone]

"Trash-talking" can be a fun element of the game and we take a liberal stance on what is allowed to be said in game chat. If one player offends another we generally do not want to get involved. However, in cases of extreme obscenity or extreme harassment (in our judgement) we may take disciplinary action against the offending member.

If you find yourself in a game with someone who offends you, simply add the member in question to your foes list and his/her comments will disappear.

I've had the luck that I've never really had to encounter any players which I'd bring a complaint against based on this kind of behaviour, but any people that do, some which have had some pretty psychotic "trash-talking" directed against them, are told merely to foe the player, or set up a PM rule. In essence, suck it up cupcake and deal with it yourself.

Is there not a line somewhere where it actually does become grounds for the mods/admins to step in? And where is that line? Opinions?

[Simon Viavant]

Look at the case of Klobber a couple days ago. Is that a good enough answer for you?

[tzor]

I've never really seen trash talk in chat. In fact most of the games I never see any chat.

[wacicha]

I've never really seen trash talk in chat. In fact most of the games I never see any chat.

then you missed the dugcarr1 days. he would trash every one in chat

[Natewolfman]

I had a guy way back when i was new, gave me a neg and trash talked me (nothing too out of the ordinary) you f***ing prick, blah blah blah... well then he starts PMing me yelling at me through said form of typing, all my responces were levelheaded and attempting to get him to go away (before we had a PM banning system...) he sent me threats of "Oh ya my roommate is a hacker, he is going to go into your account, find your bank card number and i will go to your house and kill you and your whole f***ing familly" what did the mods do? nothing... i sent in reports as i belive thats too far, no? never gor a reply to my ticket and nothing happened

[gimil]

I had a guy way back when i was new, gave me a neg and trash talked me (nothing too out of the ordinary) you f***ing prick, blah blah blah... well then he starts PMing me yelling at me through said form of typing, all my responces were levelheaded and attempting to get him to go away (before we had a PM banning system...) he sent me threats of "Oh ya my roommate is a hacker, he is going to go into your account, find your bank card number and i will go to your house and kill you and your whole f***ing familly" what did the mods do? nothing... i sent in reports as i belive thats too far, no? never gor a reply to my ticket and nothing happened

Whats even funnier is that CC dont store credit card details (when I signed up) Because it was all through pay pal

[jpliberty]

I had a guy way back when i was new, gave me a neg and trash talked me (nothing too out of the ordinary) you f***ing prick, blah blah blah... well then he starts PMing me yelling at me through said form of typing, all my responces were levelheaded and attempting to get him to go away (before we had a PM banning system...) he sent me threats of "Oh ya my roommate is a hacker, he is going to go into your account, find your bank card number and i will go to your house and kill you and your whole f***ing familly" what did the mods do? nothing... i sent in reports as i belive thats too far, no? never gor a reply to my ticket and nothing happened

A threat of physical violence and/or a threat to commit criminal acts against you (such as hacking your bank account) in and of itself is criminal. That wasn't something to report to the Mods. That was something to take to civil authorities. Any report to the Mods, however, should have been treated seriously. An ISP would treat it seriously, and for the Mods to allow such things on their system without demonstrating that they will take positive, direct action to deal with the matter (like reporting it to the authorities) is a lapse in good judgement on the part of the site administration.

At the very least, the site should have instructed you on how to report the matter, backed you up with records of the pm's, etc.

All that being said, there should be no attempt to restrict the content of any speech activity which is not in and of itself criminal. What's the harm in calling you a blank, blank, blankety blank?

It might bruise your feelings some, or you might just write it off as the ravings of some anonymous lunatic, which probably would be accurate. On the other hand, you might be a fucking prick in the eyes of anyone or everyone. That's a matter for individual evaluation.

[whitestazn88]

online, i think its always just trash talk...

don't let e-thugs ruin your life

[PLAYER57832]

"Trash-talking" can be a fun element of the game and we take a liberal stance on what is allowed to be said in game chat. If one player offends another we generally do not want to get involved. However, in cases of extreme obscenity or extreme harassment (in our judgement) we may take disciplinary action against the offending member.

If you find yourself in a game with someone who offends you, simply add the member in question to your foes list and his/her comments will disappear.

I've had the luck that I've never really had to encounter any players which I'd bring a complaint against based on this kind of behaviour, but any people that do, some which have had some pretty psychotic "trash-talking" directed against them, are told merely to foe the player, or set up a PM rule. In essence, suck it up cupcake and deal with it yourself.

Is there not a line somewhere where it actually does become grounds for the mods/admins to step in? And where is that line? Opinions?

I would suggest that the basic rules of etiquette/manners should apply. That is, we have all sorts of players here with all kinds of values.

Racism, extremely sexually explicite comments and threats are definite no's, under any circumstance.

Overall, swearing, "talking down", mildly sexually explicite comments and even mild sexism, etc. are not things usually considered polite and should be avoided unless you "know" the other players. Just like in "real life", if you like that stuff, you can sort of get a "feel" gently ... and see how they respond. Once you know someone, then it is free choice. BUT REMEMBER "chat" and wall comments are not private. If you don't want your grandmother or child to see it ... don't say it. If you must, use pm, which IS private.

A couple of CC-specific issues:
Revealing actions of other (non teammate) players in fog would be considered poor sportsmanship by most. Most people prefer not to be told how to play, particularly with beligerance or by opponents.

AND be aware that not everyone here is fluent in English. Some people swear because they learned by watching movies, TV and may not actually realize certain words are really "bad". In that case ... a polite "word to the wise" helps if you find it offensive. Similarly, we may make similar errors ... and I would suggest simply refraining in those cases.

BUT, those are just suggestions .. a response to the query. Bottom line, do as you wish, BUT accept the consequences. If you choose to swear indiscriminantly, don't get upset if you then end up on a bunch of ignore lists .. just like in the "real world" you might find yourself left out of parties or even turned down for that "perfect job" if people don't like your mouth.

Freedom does not mean freedom from all consequences!

[lord voldemort]

i rarely trash talk in game chat...if someone try's to stick it to me i stick it back and generally win
now gears of war for example i trash talk like crazy

[PLAYER57832]

there should be no attempt to restrict the content of any speech activity which is not in and of itself criminal. What's the harm in calling you a blank, blank, blankety blank?

It might bruise your feelings some, or you might just write it off as the ravings of some anonymous lunatic, which probably would be accurate. On the other hand, you might be a fucking prick in the eyes of anyone or everyone. That's a matter for individual evaluation.

The harm is that some people just plain choose not to live that way. And, anyone who insists on talking that way has already destroyed the other person's right to peace.

I fully realize that in some quarters, foul language is considered normal and acceptable. HOWEVER, it is not world -wide.

"Manners" is much more than knowing which fork to hold. The most important rule of manners is ALWAYS to make other people feel reasonably comfortable in your presence. This takes skill.

You think a few words "don't matter?" Think on all the cases of road rage, et al. The REAL truth is that you DON"T KNOW to whom you are speaking. Maybe it is "just" someone's grandmother or a child. BUT, you might just be talking to someone who is "on the edge". Remember those road rage killings down in LA not so long ago? Remember what started the whole thing? Someone cut someone off ... or the other person thought they did, one responded with "the finger", and in a few short minutes someone was dead.

Okay, that might be a bit extreme, but what good do you do yourself or the world when you make others upset or angry. Think its a "game" .. that's fine as long as everyone involved understands the rules. When even one person doesn't ... it just causes problems. Problems that could so easily have been avoided.

[jpliberty]

...but what good do you do yourself or the world when you make others upset or angry. Think its a "game" .. that's fine as long as everyone involved understands the rules. When even one person doesn't ... it just causes problems. Problems that could so easily have been avoided.

So we should silence anyone who makes the world "angry"?
Who determines what is acceptable and what is not? You?
People who "cause problems" often achieve great things for "the world".
Simple logic should inform you why you don't restrict all because some might offend or, much worse, do harm to others. And there is a big, big difference between offending and actually doing harm.

[foregone]

...but what good do you do yourself or the world when you make others upset or angry. Think its a "game" .. that's fine as long as everyone involved understands the rules. When even one person doesn't ... it just causes problems. Problems that could so easily have been avoided.

So we should silence anyone who makes the world "angry"?
Who determines what is acceptable and what is not? You?
People who "cause problems" often achieve great things for "the world".
Simple logic should inform you why you don't restrict all because some might offend or, much worse, do harm to others. And there is a big, big difference between offending and actually doing harm.

There is always a difference between swearing and swearing at someone. I tend to do neither, especially when typing when it can't even slip in accidentaly. But I'd be fine if someone said "screw(self-edited) this, my dice are screwing(self-edited again) bad" but not "you screwing(Can't help myself) screwed(argh) screwer!"

There is intent behind the sentences and it's never that hard to tell. And I have no idea why it's acceptable to behave online in manners that one would never do in real life.

[PLAYER57832]

...but what good do you do yourself or the world when you make others upset or angry. Think its a "game" .. that's fine as long as everyone involved understands the rules. When even one person doesn't ... it just causes problems. Problems that could so easily have been avoided.

So we should silence anyone who makes the world "angry"?
Who determines what is acceptable and what is not? You?
People who "cause problems" often achieve great things for "the world".
Simple logic should inform you why you don't restrict all because some might offend or, much worse, do harm to others. And there is a big, big difference between offending and actually doing harm.

The art of diplomacy is to get your point across effectively and without anger. When you make other people angry ... they stop listening. That is almost never a positive thing. And, you generally lose respect ... also not a positive thing.

As for "people causing problems achieving great things" ... there is a big differance between fighting racism, demanding justice for a child who was hurt, inventing something new ... and swearing. Swearing pretty much just shows you don't have a better word. It takes skill to have those better words, not to swear.

[jpliberty]

...but what good do you do yourself or the world when you make others upset or angry. Think its a "game" .. that's fine as long as everyone involved understands the rules. When even one person doesn't ... it just causes problems. Problems that could so easily have been avoided.

...The art of diplomacy is to get your point across effectively and without anger. When you make other people angry ... they stop listening. That is almost never a positive thing. And, you generally lose respect ... also not a positive thing.

As for "people causing problems achieving great things" ... there is a big difference between fighting racism, demanding justice for a child who was hurt, inventing something new ... and swearing. Swearing pretty much just shows you don't have a better word. It takes skill to have those better words, not to swear.

The thread was about when the mods should step in. It creates problems if people expect moderators to police foul-mouthed so and so's. Whining to mods to do something about someone using foul language creates problems for the mods and for everyone who is trying to play the game.

Just ignore the person, use the handy foe list tool, never subject yourself to their ravings again.

But, don't try and erect some specific list of words one cannot say. Context alone would mean we'd all forever be arguing about what was meant, was it an appropriate use of such and such a word or expression.

Freedom means you'll sometimes be offended and sometimes be found to be offensive. The opposite of freedom is trying to eliminate all that.

And, absurdity is trying to get the mods here to create a perfect little world within Conquer Club.

Geez, just ignore the lame people who are crude for no reason other than to offend.

[PLAYER57832]

...but what good do you do yourself or the world when you make others upset or angry. Think its a "game" .. that's fine as long as everyone involved understands the rules. When even one person doesn't ... it just causes problems. Problems that could so easily have been avoided.

...The art of diplomacy is to get your point across effectively and without anger. When you make other people angry ... they stop listening. That is almost never a positive thing. And, you generally lose respect ... also not a positive thing.

As for "people causing problems achieving great things" ... there is a big difference between fighting racism, demanding justice for a child who was hurt, inventing something new ... and swearing. Swearing pretty much just shows you don't have a better word. It takes skill to have those better words, not to swear.

The thread was about when the mods should step in. It creates problems if people expect moderators to police foul-mouthed so and so's. Whining to mods to do something about someone using foul language creates problems for the mods and for everyone who is trying to play the game.

Just ignore the person, use the handy foe list tool, never subject yourself to their ravings again.

But, don't try and erect some specific list of words one cannot say. Context alone would mean we'd all forever be arguing about what was meant, was it an appropriate use of such and such a word or expression.

Freedom means you'll sometimes be offended and sometimes be found to be offensive. The opposite of freedom is trying to eliminate all that.

And, absurdity is trying to get the mods here to create a perfect little world within Conquer Club.

Geez, just ignore the lame people who are crude for no reason other than to offend.

First, I do pretty much just ignore folks who swear.

BUT, there is a much bigger issue here. Freedom of speech was never absolute. The ability to cause harm ... be it shouting "fire" in a theatre, committing libel (falsely accusing someone, spreading false nasy rumors), etc. Profanity has normally been put in with that. BUT, there are a few folks who want to change that, who feel they should have the innate right to, essentially be intentionally obnoxious.

By your method, hundred of folks would have to put certain people on foe lists. That is a royal pain and plain should not be necessary when someone is using the forums to plain cause irritation to others. AS long as the rules are clearly set out in advance, then there is no legitimate reason for someone to use those words. Either they are plain too stupid to find something better OR they are being intentionally nasty. In either case, the mods have the absolute right and duty to act.

When mods intervene it is like putting a person on everyone's ignore list. Far more effective than expecting everyone to do so individually.

Should the bar/ the limits be set high? Absolutely. Should the limits for chat be much higher than in the normal forum arena? Absolutely.

However, somethings -- extreme racism, sexism, and serious threats (to name a few) need monitoring. That is plain how life works.

[jpliberty]

By your method, hundred of folks would have to put certain people on foe lists. That is a royal pain and plain should not be necessary when someone is using the forums to plain cause irritation to others. AS long as the rules are clearly set out in advance, then there is no legitimate reason for someone to use those words. Either they are plain too stupid to find something better OR they are being intentionally nasty. In either case, the mods have the absolute right and duty to act.

When mods intervene it is like putting a person on everyone's ignore list. Far more effective than expecting everyone to do so individually.

Should the bar/ the limits be set high? Absolutely. Should the limits for chat be much higher than in the normal forum arena? Absolutely.

However, somethings -- extreme racism, sexism, and serious threats (to name a few) need monitoring. That is plain how life works.

You are saying it's "a royal pain" if you have to use the very simple, extremely convenient foe list tool all by yourself. You want someone else to spend their time on you and all the others. Moreover, you want ironclad standards with which all must comply or face the ultimate silence.

What a laugh. If you won't do this very simple thing for yourself, why expect others to take up your cause, to feel sorry for you?

Suggs posted about receiving threatening pm's. I stated that was serious, and there are civil avenues by which that situation could and should be corrected.

Looming over all of this is your obvious desire to tell other people what is and is not proper behavior. That's your opinion. I don't necessarily disagree with your "standards" in each or every instance. However, your desire to have all live up to such arbitrary and capricious "standards" reeks.

[owenshooter]

i was getting what i considered abusive PM's in my PM box... i just contacted the guys clan leader and
had it dealt with. i started a thread in the GD and a few mods offered to help and andy offered some advice. however, i just took it to his clan leader and had it dealt with... enjoy:

And yet you are suck a F-Word<edited by wacicha> loser, you continue to respond...

Knowing men doesn't make you one. You are still a worthless piece of s-word<edited by wacicha>.

How pathetic is must be to be you. Do you get a handicapped tag?

P-word<edited by wacicha>

Man, I have to go back to "are you f-word<edited by wacicha> serious"? You realy need to get a life. Really.

You deserve the one stupid ass. Read your abusive game chat. I hope you have the mods look at it.

Your mothers sucks, mmmmmmmmmm......

Nice, I see you deleted you chat that started the whole thing. I still say, f*ck you but plug bandit leader

*note*-he has me n foe, and can no longer read my chat because of it. it is impossible for users to delete game chat.

Oh, one more thing I don't know about the system. How do I block pm from annoying assholes on this site?

[PLAYER57832]

By your method, hundred of folks would have to put certain people on foe lists. That is a royal pain and plain should not be necessary when someone is using the forums to plain cause irritation to others. AS long as the rules are clearly set out in advance, then there is no legitimate reason for someone to use those words. Either they are plain too stupid to find something better OR they are being intentionally nasty. In either case, the mods have the absolute right and duty to act.

When mods intervene it is like putting a person on everyone's ignore list. Far more effective than expecting everyone to do so individually.

Should the bar/ the limits be set high? Absolutely. Should the limits for chat be much higher than in the normal forum arena? Absolutely.

However, somethings -- extreme racism, sexism, and serious threats (to name a few) need monitoring. That is plain how life works.

You are saying it's "a royal pain" if you have to use the very simple, extremely convenient foe list tool all by yourself. You want someone else to spend their time on you and all the others.

No, if it were "just me", you would be correct, but despite what a few of you wish to believe, the VAST majority do not enjoy swearing.

Moreover, you want ironclad standards with which all must comply or face the ultimate silence.

Yes, gee, you can't seriously threaten someone, use extreme racism or sexism and a handful of other words ... terribly limiting... IF you have absolutely NO vocabulary, that is!

What a laugh. If you won't do this very simple thing for yourself, why expect others to take up your cause, to feel sorry for you?

First, I have in the extremely few cases where it has arisen. But, you got it backwards. You feel that you should have the right to violate the rights of the 99% who don't swear, simply because a few are not creative enough to find other language.

Looming over all of this is your obvious desire to tell other people what is and is not proper behavior. That's your opinion. I don't necessarily disagree with your "standards" in each or every instance. However, your desire to have all live up to such arbitrary and capricious "standards" reeks.

Depends on the standards. Sorry, but there are extremely few words that are not considered "proper". If you have not the intellect to choose something different ... then live with the consequences. There may not be a hoard posting here right now, but if you peruse the games you will find very, very few who think swearing and such are "perfectly OK". Sorry, it is NOT "my" standards, it IS the standards of the community. And it is only a few who feel they don't have to abide.

And yes, if you are going to post here in a thread that says "when is it no longer trash talking", etc, etc.... yes, I will speak up.

If you don't want opinions, don't post!

[foregone]

Now here's my problem. Foe'ing is fine, but the kind of abuse that gets treated as "Just foe him, don't be so whiny", etc, is ludicrous. To quote a post from C&A http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=54758:

are you retarded?

"I openly say in these forums that we are friends, or at least he lived near me and drank beer. "

a verb with a d at the end indicates past tense hence "lived". Just pathetic. I can't speak for why robi wan has recently posted but not played games, you'd have to PM him and ask him. Also, others in the thread have speculated that it is all one account. A simple address check of the computers would show that easily. Here's an idea, add us to you foe list and move on with your lives.

That's an interesting suggestion Billy. I happen to agree and have already taken the precaution of adding you to my foe list. I believe that one good turn deserves another ; so here is a suggestion for you and your "posse." Stop ganging up on unsuspecting players and turning public games into your personal harassment venue. Maybe you can explain why you must subject other players, who are not your friends, to your insults and ridicule. I have looked at the chat in your games and the comments you make to players is not only uninvited but inappropriate.

What makes you believe that it's acceptable to insult and torment players that do not have prior experience or knowledge of your behavior? In other words; what gives you the right to make sexually and racially explicit comments to unsuspecting players? What , in your mind, makes you believe that you can say those things to my 10 year old son, my father, my wife, my neighbor or any other innocent player that inadvertently joins one of your games? Because, last time I checked, there is no warning message that pops up, before you join one of your games, that reads: WARNING!!! Do not join this game unless you are amused by homophobic humor and racist insults.

I think that most reasonable players on this site, including myself, understand that colorful language is a part of any competitive game. However, there is quite a difference between the following comments:

2007-12-12 11:16:31 - billydigital: slavery was the only way to get blacks to work
2007-12-14 08:51:03 - billydigital: f*ck y ou teal
2007-12-14 13:00:59 - TheBorg: Interesting. Why the obscenity? Do you have Tourettes Syndrome?
2007-12-15 23:09:14 - billydigital: i have my dick in your moms ass

Then there is something like this:

"These fucking dice are unreal!!!"

Now, I don't pretend to be a pillar of morality but I happen to think that there is a huge difference in the two afore mentioned statements. Also, for the one example that I listed above there are a hundred more like it.

By no means am I suggesting that the site censor profanity. However, I think that there is a line that should not be crossed. The message that billydigital broadcasts is way beyond the tolerance of acceptability. I don't believe that the founders of Conquer Club had billydigital in mind when they launched this web site and established the liberal rules that govern our behavior in these games.

Why is billydigital dictating the terms of what we should tolerate? Just because I have the option to add him to my foe list does not mean that he has been given "Carte Blanche" to do whatever he wants.

CC management needs to take a stance on this. As far as I'm concerned, there is no gray area when it comes to a topic of this nature.

cisco2001 pretty much sums it up for me there.

[cicero]

cicero <stands up> ... <starts what he hopes will become a standing ovation for cisco2001>


[Player57832 made some great points too.]

[PLAYER57832]

Now, I don't pretend to be a pillar of morality but I happen to think that there is a huge difference in the two afore mentioned statements. Also, for the one example that I listed above there are a hundred more like it.

By no means am I suggesting that the site censor profanity. However, I think that there is a line that should not be crossed. The message that billydigital broadcasts is way beyond the tolerance of acceptability. I don't believe that the founders of Conquer Club had billydigital in mind when they launched this web site and established the liberal rules that govern our behavior in these games.

Why is billydigital dictating the terms of what we should tolerate? Just because I have the option to add him to my foe list does not mean that he has been given "Carte Blanche" to do whatever he wants.

CC management needs to take a stance on this. As far as I'm concerned, there is no gray area when it comes to a topic of this nature.

I agree. The reason I mentioned profanity is because profanity IS specifically mentioned. The truth is that many people consider F*** and several other words to be as offensive as the racist remarks. And, anyone born in an English speaking world knows this full well (whether they like to admit that or not). Anyone not a native English speaker needs to learn that.

The REAL bottom line is that CC/Lack can set whatever standards CC/Lack wishes. HOWEVER, once those lines are set, they need to be followed and respected. Personally, I think the current standards ... no racism, sexism, extreme profanity, etc. ... are fine. Perhaps threats (against a person OR thier family) should be officially added, since there seems to be some ambiguity there.

[jpliberty]

By your method, hundred of folks would have to put certain people on foe lists. That is a royal pain and plain should not be necessary when someone is using the forums to plain cause irritation to others. AS long as the rules are clearly set out in advance, then there is no legitimate reason for someone to use those words. Either they are plain too stupid to find something better OR they are being intentionally nasty. In either case, the mods have the absolute right and duty to act.

When mods intervene it is like putting a person on everyone's ignore list. Far more effective than expecting everyone to do so individually.

Should the bar/ the limits be set high? Absolutely. Should the limits for chat be much higher than in the normal forum arena? Absolutely.

However, somethings -- extreme racism, sexism, and serious threats (to name a few) need monitoring. That is plain how life works.

No, if it were "just me", you would be correct, but despite what a few of you wish to believe, the VAST majority do not enjoy swearing.

Moreover, you want ironclad standards with which all must comply or face the ultimate silence.

Yes, gee, you can't seriously threaten someone, use extreme racism or sexism and a handful of other words ... terribly limiting... IF you have absolutely NO vocabulary, that is!

What a laugh. If you won't do this very simple thing for yourself, why expect others to take up your cause, to feel sorry for you?

First, I have in the extremely few cases where it has arisen. But, you got it backwards. You feel that you should have the right to violate the rights of the 99% who don't swear, simply because a few are not creative enough to find other language.

Looming over all of this is your obvious desire to tell other people what is and is not proper behavior. That's your opinion. I don't necessarily disagree with your "standards" in each or every instance. However, your desire to have all live up to such arbitrary and capricious "standards" reeks.

Depends on the standards. Sorry, but there are extremely few words that are not considered "proper". If you have not the intellect to choose something different ... then live with the consequences. There may not be a hoard posting here right now, but if you peruse the games you will find very, very few who think swearing and such are "perfectly OK". Sorry, it is NOT "my" standards, it IS the standards of the community. And it is only a few who feel they don't have to abide.

And yes, if you are going to post here in a thread that says "when is it no longer trash talking", etc, etc.... yes, I will speak up.

If you don't want opinions, don't post!

Now there is some high, high intellect. "Don't post if you disagree with my attempt to censor others (not the start of this thread, but what you have hijacked it into).

Why is it you mention the "majority"? No mob has any right to silence an otherwise peaceful individual. Individuals often feel more comfortable when they are part of a mob.

There is absolutely no reason why everyone has to do your work for you. You don't like something or someone, use the foe tool. That is what it is there for. If you don't want to do that, you can continue to post whiny posts, but you won't be getting anything done that way either.

[PLAYER57832]

Now there is some high, high intellect. "Don't post if you disagree with my attempt to censor others (not the start of this thread, but what you have hijacked it into).

Take things out of context, why don't you? If you say "don't disagree with me" .. and I say "whoah .. don't post if you don't want a response." and you call that censoring?

Why is it you mention the "majority"? No mob has any right to silence an otherwise peaceful individual. Individuals often feel more comfortable when they are part of a mob.

There is absolutely no reason why everyone has to do your work for you. You don't like something or someone, use the foe tool. That is what it is there for. If you don't want to do that, you can continue to post whiny posts, but you won't be getting anything done that way either.

We are not talking about individuals. Further, as has been said, chat is left, so anyone reading it would have to foe the people involved.

Nice try on the "majority/minority" issue, by-the-way. The real standard is does it cause harm. Some people, a LOT of people feel that simply saying those words causes harm. Many others enjoy that power and try to frame it as "free speech". Free speech concerns ideas, not a few objectionable words. And, context is absolutely important. I don't object to Mark Twain's use of N****, because it was appropriate for the time, but to say so now, particularly out of the blue, in a CC forum ... GET REAL!

The standard WAS already set, by-the-way, it is you who are trying to change it. I am just agreeing that it should be there.

[jpliberty]

Now there is some high, high intellect. "Don't post if you disagree with my attempt to censor others (not the start of this thread, but what you have hijacked it into).

Take things out of context, why don't you? If you say "don't disagree with me" .. and I say "whoah .. don't post if you don't want a response." and you call that censoring?

Why is it you mention the "majority"? No mob has any right to silence an otherwise peaceful individual. Individuals often feel more comfortable when they are part of a mob.

There is absolutely no reason why everyone has to do your work for you. You don't like something or someone, use the foe tool. That is what it is there for. If you don't want to do that, you can continue to post whiny posts, but you won't be getting anything done that way either.

We are not talking about individuals. Further, as has been said, chat is left, so anyone reading it would have to foe the people involved.

Nice try on the "majority/minority" issue, by-the-way. The real standard is does it cause harm. Some people, a LOT of people feel that simply saying those words causes harm. Many others enjoy that power and try to frame it as "free speech". Free speech concerns ideas, not a few objectionable words. And, context is absolutely important. I don't object to Mark Twain's use of N****, because it was appropriate for the time, but to say so now, particularly out of the blue, in a CC forum ... GET REAL!

The standard WAS already set, by-the-way, it is you who are trying to change it. I am just agreeing that it should be there.

I didn't say "don't disagree with me". I was summarizing your instincts, telling me not to post here because I disagree with your posts, which are off the main thread anyway.

I don't give a hoot for those who claim they are "harmed" by people using certain words. I'll call them ninnies. Does that harm them? It is accurate.