Conquer Club

I'm not good at all this stats stuff, but I just noticed that as I approach my 100th game, I'm also approaching a score of 1200, i.e 200 more than the 1000 you're given to start with. So on average i've earned about 2 points per game.

This led me to wonder about other players' points-per-game numbers, and whether it stays pretty constant or whether one gravitates to an appropriate point in the lists at which one gains and loses about an equal number of points until one's skills improve?

I think your average player will eventually hit a wall when it comes to points. I consider myself to be an average player, and I stay between 1300 and 1500 points. I hope to improve my skill level, whereupon I hope to float between 2000-2500, but I think I'm pretty close to my wall right now.

In my opinion, there are two kinds of players that will continually gain points: exceptionally-skilled players and those that abuse the points system by using such tactics as noob-farming and other such methods.

I didnt really hit a wall, but i felt a slowing in my point wins, so look at my location.

A quick look shows that you both curretnly have earned about 1 point per game played. It would be ineresting to see if that remains true when you've played lots more than you have at the moment.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking of players that have the "earn more points" as their goal - that's playing another game, behind the games, if you see what I mean.

A random look at the scoreboard shows an average of around 1-4 points per game in the first few pages, with a few that are way off the curve.

Anyhow, it was just a random thought. I'll report back in a month or two to say if my own trend is continuing, or if I appear to have reached a ceiling.

jonesthecurl wrote:A quick look shows that you both curretnly have earned about 1 point per game played. It would be ineresting to see if that remains true when you've played lots more than you have at the moment.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking of players that have the "earn more points" as their goal - that's playing another game, behind the games, if you see what I mean.

I wish I could keep an average of 1 point/game played. Like I said, I'm pretty sure I can get to ~2250 and stick around there. That's probably my skill level.

Points per game becomes much less useful when you get up into thousands of games played.

Games played is a linear progression, while score is not.

I'm at about 13.5 points per game with 108 played. However, I started off playing a lot of 1v1 against low scorers (like myself at the time) and gave those games up when it started really hurting to lose the games.

I've been point whoring it up a little and discovered I'm pretty good at 8 way freestyle escalating games and I seem to do alright in FOW, maybe better than non fog. I've won like 11/18 of these 8 way games, raking anywhere from 80-130 points for these wins versus only 20-30 for a loss really helps to pump the score up. I feel like I could probably keep playing these games forever and crack top 10 in due time if I wanted to go premium and really load up on them. The thing is, FOG games on World 2.0 tend to take a lot of studying and I don't really have the time to add a lot of extra games to my time budget.

Timminz wrote:Points per game becomes much less useful when you get up into thousands of games played.

Games played is a linear progression, while score is not.

that's kinda an answer to what I was asking.
If I kept playing the variety of games I have, and winning about as often, I think my score would continue its slow upward trend for quite a whilw. I guess eventually I'd reach my level and begin to lose about as many points as I win. We shall see.

Deltron wrote:I'm at about 13.5 points per game with 108 played. However, I started off playing a lot of 1v1 against low scorers (like myself at the time) and gave those games up when it started really hurting to lose the games.

I've been point whoring it up a little and discovered I'm pretty good at 8 way freestyle escalating games and I seem to do alright in FOW, maybe better than non fog. I've won like 11/18 of these 8 way games, raking anywhere from 80-130 points for these wins versus only 20-30 for a loss really helps to pump the score up. I feel like I could probably keep playing these games forever and crack top 10 in due time if I wanted to go premium and really load up on them. The thing is, FOG games on World 2.0 tend to take a lot of studying and I don't really have the time to add a lot of extra games to my time budget.

Yeah, that's a high points-per-game average.
But it's probably distorted by planning to go after points - which is sort of a meta-game beyond the conquests you're making (or not).

If I have a meta-game (apart from trying to stick to playing blue where possible) it's to play a lot of my games on boards that are new to me. I guess that meta-game will run out quicker than a point or medal hunt.

It has to slow. I'm about about 4 or 4.5 points per game.

My points fluctuate like crazy. I go between colonel and brigadier constantly with the occasional jump up to General. Haven't been a major on purpose in at least the last 500 games...

2.4 points per game

Deltron wrote:I'm at about 13.5 points per game with 108 played. However, I started off playing a lot of 1v1 against low scorers (like myself at the time) and gave those games up when it started really hurting to lose the games.

I've been point whoring it up a little and discovered I'm pretty good at 8 way freestyle escalating games and I seem to do alright in FOW, maybe better than non fog. I've won like 11/18 of these 8 way games, raking anywhere from 80-130 points for these wins versus only 20-30 for a loss really helps to pump the score up. I feel like I could probably keep playing these games forever and crack top 10 in due time if I wanted to go premium and really load up on them. The thing is, FOG games on World 2.0 tend to take a lot of studying and I don't really have the time to add a lot of extra games to my time budget.

You won't crack top ten if you're winning 11/18 in the games I've seen. You'll be losing more points than you're winning in teh games - and you'll also be targeted more. You think it's bad being a major, just wait until people start attacking you specifically because of your rank. You'll need to win a lot more than 11/18 to keep advancing. Try gaining around 42 points for a win in your settings, and losing 50. That is - if you want top 10. I'm not at top 10 atm, but when I was, it was near impossible to move up... idk how the others do it.

Then again - maybe you got what it takes and are like the others that managed to keep moving up.

(Expecting FabledIntegral to jump all over me too... )

49 games, 17 wins 1511 points (but with an 8 players doubles win to be added tomorrow. Oh yes indeed).

I'm fairly confident I can make 2,000 points before 100 games are played, simply because the kinds of games I play and am pretty decent at can give you lot's of points. I play 8 man doubles on 2.1 and will be 3 wins and no losses by tomorrow, and if I can just jump in ahead of FabledIntegral, I am well aware I need to finish a few more games before that stat means much of anything! I also play six man or 8 man singles games as well. If I can keep my win percentage above 35% I will make a lot of points.

I also have an advantage in that very few high ranking players join the games I play in. A major is a rarity, a colonel a surprise to all concerned. Assuming that top players will in general play a little better, I may be a touch fortunate in that the average player in my games is probably a sergeant. Yet I find most 2.1 players play that map pretty well regardless of rank. There are a lot of players out there who play a lot of 2.1 public games (some almost exclusively) and I would suggest it as a map to play on if you want to improve your score. The reason is very simple: even in an 8 player singles game (flat rate, sequential), it is possible from any opening position to secure a small base and start expanding. If you know how you should expand from say 'The Horn', you have a pretty decent chance of winning the game. No early losses on this map, anyway.

I'm not sure I agree with this 'wall' concept. Risk is a relatively simple game and I suspect the difference between a lot of players is, to a great extent, about how hard they are concentrating on each move. I usually take at least 5 minutes to study the map before playing and if the game is at a key point, I may glance at it through the day, ask for opinions on the position from friends and in general think about it a great deal. I suspect a lot of players don't do this. However, I only play about 8-10 games at a time (what a waste of premium, I know!) and I am positive my win rate would go SHARPLY downhill if I was playing the 50-100 games some of the top players are playing at one time.

So, I think 2,000 points is within my reach, but 3,000 seems a very long way away, impossible to achieve even, and I have the greatest respect for the players who have managed such a high score while still playing within the rules and the spirit of the game.

Deltron wrote:I'm at about 13.5 points per game with 108 played. However, I started off playing a lot of 1v1 against low scorers (like myself at the time) and gave those games up when it started really hurting to lose the games.

I've been point whoring it up a little and discovered I'm pretty good at 8 way freestyle escalating games and I seem to do alright in FOW, maybe better than non fog. I've won like 11/18 of these 8 way games, raking anywhere from 80-130 points for these wins versus only 20-30 for a loss really helps to pump the score up. I feel like I could probably keep playing these games forever and crack top 10 in due time if I wanted to go premium and really load up on them. The thing is, FOG games on World 2.0 tend to take a lot of studying and I don't really have the time to add a lot of extra games to my time budget.

8 man freestyle can be very profitable. I know this because I enjoy this setting a good bit and have won many games. There becomes a point, where you cannot make points anymore, rather be lucky to break even over a 20 game span. You are not to that point yet. When I get back from holiday I will send you an invite to my private 8 man freestyle game(s) I make. No noobs to take Aussie, or run over your stacks. Just solid players.

You won't crack top ten if you're winning 11/18 in the games I've seen. You'll be losing more points than you're winning in teh games - and you'll also be targeted more. You think it's bad being a major, just wait until people start attacking you specifically because of your rank. You'll need to win a lot more than 11/18 to keep advancing. Try gaining around 42 points for a win in your settings, and losing 50.

I suppose I forgot to mention that I don't get in the 8 way games with a lot of noobs. One, two, or even three doesn't seem to be a problem, but any more than that and the odds for high point loss plus no way to avoid fools attacking for no reason seems to go way up. I seem to recall maybe 1 or 2 of those ~20 games that I had people randomly attacking territories with 3s that were in no way of strategic value (they were the "extra" territories for region bonuses in 2.1). And when I said I seem to play Fog better, I feel like I have a pretty solid strategy that I'm not so sure is being widely deployed by even the best ranks, and I don't think the strategy would work as well for non fog. And....if that weren't enough, in the first round or so, I try to go near last so I can control being at the computer when new rounds start to maximize my chances of getting easy cards from a weakened player.

And about the points you mention (42 and 50), I'm not quite sure what you mean. If I get and average of a mere 70 points a game for 11 games (me versus 7 other rooks), then I'd have to lose a whopping 110 per game for those other 7 to just break even.

What fable is saying is true. Once you get to a certain point on the scoreboard you have to win an insane amount to keep even. With a decent lineup you may win 70 points. That is if you are say 2600 points. You lose once to a SGT first class 1500 you drop 33 points. So if you average say 60 points a win and 30 a loss.. you would need to 7 games out of 20 to come even. Now once you move past 2600 the points even go down more (The points you win). You will start to average 40 points a loss and 50 a win... soo you would need to win at least 9 of 20 to break even. With 8 players in the game that is way above normal average.

All this boils down there there will be a wall you hit where you cannot go up anymore from this game style. You will have to branch out to keep going up.

Bruceswar wrote:

Deltron wrote:I'm at about 13.5 points per game with 108 played. However, I started off playing a lot of 1v1 against low scorers (like myself at the time) and gave those games up when it started really hurting to lose the games.

I've been point whoring it up a little and discovered I'm pretty good at 8 way freestyle escalating games and I seem to do alright in FOW, maybe better than non fog. I've won like 11/18 of these 8 way games, raking anywhere from 80-130 points for these wins versus only 20-30 for a loss really helps to pump the score up. I feel like I could probably keep playing these games forever and crack top 10 in due time if I wanted to go premium and really load up on them. The thing is, FOG games on World 2.0 tend to take a lot of studying and I don't really have the time to add a lot of extra games to my time budget.

8 man freestyle can be very profitable. I know this because I enjoy this setting a good bit and have won many games. There becomes a point, where you cannot make points anymore, rather be lucky to break even over a 20 game span. You are not to that point yet. When I get back from holiday I will send you an invite to my private 8 man freestyle game(s) I make. No noobs to take Aussie, or run over your stacks. Just solid players.

I just got suicided in my most recent game by a cadet with 850 points. ode de veek or something like that. Oh yeah, I used ... a lot of colorful words in chat - not only did he fail in killing me and gift me away - his deployment to kill me was abhorrent, and to top it off, he didn't know that 1 + 3 =/= 5. Ugh!

I'm at 7.5 points per game with a 30% win rate. However, it's going to be very hard to keep that up without increasing either PPG or win rate. The CC scoring system is specifically designed in a non-linear fashion.