snorri forum banned?

[mpjh]

Has snorri been forum banned?

[Fruitcake]

Yes

[mpjh]

What did he do?

[mpjh]

Never mind, I don't think I want to know.

[ManBungalow]

Never mind, I don't think I want to know.

What makes you say that ??
Do you assume that snorri has been doing something in particular .. ?

[Fruitcake]

Never mind, I don't think I want to know.

What makes you say that ??
Do you assume that snorri has been doing something in particular .. ?

Or not, as the case may be?

[mpjh]

No, it is just going to be another one of those endless bans for future rules. This place is getting to be like the society in "Minority Report."

[jbrettlip]

It was for repeated trolling....whatever that means. It is only a one dayer, so they will have to find something else he did wrong to get $25 more out of him..

But I will bet you they do.

[mpjh]

repeated trolling? That is half the forums.

[jbrettlip]

You're probably next...or me.

[yeti_c]

It was for repeated trolling....whatever that means. It is only a one dayer, so they will have to find something else he did wrong to get $25 more out of him..

But I will bet you they do.

Since when does a Forum ban mean you can pay your way out of it?

C.

[Johnny Rockets]

Since they started to ban your ass so many times for silly interpretations of the rules that you end up branded as habitual, and your ban thus permanent. You then might as well move, change your name, get a new ISP and fork over another $25 to have the privillage of being censored. Repeatedly. That is until the only ones left are the vanila sheeple caste that like to be told EXACTLY what is appropriate to think and type.

Welcome to Modestan.

J

[daydream]

What did he do?

nothing

[mpjh]

He stuck his finger in the crack in the dike.

[Serbia]

You people really need to chill. There is nothing that says you have a right to do whatever you want on a forum on the internet. Do I agree with everything the mods do? No, not at all. Do I think some of these guys have been morons, intentionally pushing the envelope like little children, almost daring the mods to ban them? Yes, I do. The mods are doing their job, fairly, wrongly, whatever. Lack is apparently satisfied. And really, that's all that matters.

Basically, posting here is a privilege, not a right. If you want to continue to do so, play by the rules. If you won't play by the rules, keep your money, because eventually you'll be banned anyway.

[Nikolai]

And, although it's a difficult concept, you might even consider playing by the spirit of the rules, rather than playing to the closest-to-not-the-rules interpretation of the rules you can swing...

[timmytuttut88]

I'm not saing the rules are bad, i'm saying the way they enforce them is bad.

[yeti_c]

I'm not saing the rules are bad, i'm saying the way they enforce them is bad.

You mean you'd rather they didn't enforce them?

C.

[timmytuttut88]

I'm not saing the rules are bad, i'm saying the way they enforce them is bad.

You mean you'd rather they didn't enforce them?

C.

Jesus H Christ.

I'm not saing the rules are bad, i'm saying the way they enforce them is bad.

The way they enforce them! Not that they shouldn't enforce them at all.

[yeti_c]

I'm not saing the rules are bad, i'm saying the way they enforce them is bad.

You mean you'd rather they didn't enforce them?

C.

Jesus H Christ.

I'm not saing the rules are bad, i'm saying the way they enforce them is bad.

The way they enforce them! Not that they shouldn't enforce them at all.

Seems to me you're always crying when they enforce them - so the logical difference to that is - you would rather that they didn't enforce them.

C.

[timmytuttut88]

Seems to me you're always crying when they enforce them - so the logical difference to that is - you would rather that they didn't enforce them.

C.

That has to me the most illogical thing i've ever heard. Because I disagree with something I want the exact opposite!

If not gay does that mean im a heterosexual? Or can someone be bisexual?
If i'm not a Republican does that mean i'm a democrat? Or can I be an independent?
If I don't like a boss does that mean I hate all bosses? Or just that one?

I could go on, but I think you get the point. I don't hate modding, I hate how they enforce it. Modding can be good if enforced correctly.

[Natewolfman]

I could go on, but I think you get the point. I don't hate modding, I hate how they enforce it. Modding can be good if enforced correctly.

examples on what could be done differently in your oppinion? because from what ive seen they have behaved basically as i would expected in almost every situation

[StiffMittens]

I could go on, but I think you get the point. I don't hate modding, I hate how they enforce it. Modding can be good if enforced correctly.

examples on what could be done differently in your oppinion? because from what ive seen they have behaved basically as i would expected in almost every situation

The whole situation with DM and Semigall's phone number was handled pretty unprofessionally. There seemed to be a lot of confusion about how to handle it, lack of communication between the mods - the "Semigall says" thread wasn't even locked until after the ban was imposed - and the reason for the ban seemed fairly dubious (you would think that if the staff has been working on updating the forum guidelines over the past few weeks, then this type of situation would have been fresh in their minds and thus quickly resolved in a clear and coordinated manner). So it wasn't surprising that a lot of grumbling erupted in the forums. And then there was an ugly element in some of the staff's response to the grumbling (kind of a shut up and deal with it or GTFO tone) and that further incited grumbling. It stands to reason that the ban of a member who is well thought of in the community (perhaps not well thought of by some, but thought of nevertheless), under questionable circumstances with less than satisfactory responses from the staff, should lead to a bit of discontent. I would think that the staff would've tried to be a little more placating in order to smooth things over to avoid further bans (after all, it is the community that patronizes this establishment that keeps the thing going, right?). And so, if the community management team has behaved as you would expect, then what does that say about your expectations?

[Natewolfman]

The whole situation with DM and Semigall's phone number was handled pretty unprofessionally. There seemed to be a lot of confusion about how to handle it, lack of communication between the mods - the "Semigall says" thread wasn't even locked until after the ban was imposed - and the reason for the ban seemed fairly dubious (you would think that if the staff has been working on updating the forum guidelines over the past few weeks, then this type of situation would have been fresh in their minds and thus quickly resolved in a clear and coordinated manner). So it wasn't surprising that a lot of grumbling erupted in the forums. And then there was an ugly element in some of the staff's response to the grumbling (kind of a shut up and deal with it or GTFO tone) and that further incited grumbling. It stands to reason that the ban of a member who is well thought of in the community (perhaps not well thought of by some, but thought of nevertheless), under questionable circumstances with less than satisfactory responses from the staff, should lead to a bit of discontent. I would think that the staff would've tried to be a little more placating in order to smooth things over to avoid further bans (after all, it is the community that patronizes this establishment that keeps the thing going, right?). And so, if the community management team has behaved as you would expect, then what does that say about your expectations?

you didnt answer my question though, how would you have handled it better? from what i can see, in probably 90% of the situations which cause any kind of ill will in the forums, if a mod spells things out to a 't' then everyone gets angry and yells about whats being said, if a mod dosnt say anything everyone gets angry and yells about whats not being said, if a mod try to resolve an issue with nice words people push harder if a mod tries to resolve an issue with sterner words people push harder yet... so how would you have resolved it? (keeping in mind im not talking about the one single issue of DM, but rather all issues in general that timmy was talking about)

[StiffMittens]

you didnt answer my question though, how would you have handled it better? from what i can see, in probably 90% of the situations which cause any kind of ill will in the forums, if a mod spells things out to a 't' then everyone gets angry and yells about whats being said, if a mod dosnt say anything everyone gets angry and yells about whats not being said, if a mod try to resolve an issue with nice words people push harder if a mod tries to resolve an issue with sterner words people push harder yet... so how would you have resolved it? (keeping in mind im not talking about the one single issue of DM, but rather all issues in general that timmy was talking about)

Well, things are rough all over. Dealing with the public is never an easy task. I think the best thing to do is to try and place yourself on the firmest ground possible. That way you can spell things out clearly and minimize the possibility of legitimate complaint. There may be legitimate complaints regardless of how firm your footing is, and you just have to address them in good faith and not get defensive about your decisions ("we'll take it under advisement" is a phrase that could come in handy). If someone persists in complaining without valid cause, then a certain amount of patience helps to smooth things over (you catch more flies with honey than you do with shit). Obviously the level of patience for pushback is limited but sometimes you just have to let people blow off steam. So maybe a good approach is to state the case plainly once and then withdraw to a safe distance and let everyone else speak their peace and watch and wait. Probably there will be a brief uproar and then it will settle down. And if it gets out of hand, then obviously the mods have to step back in, but I'm guessing that most of the time the steam will evaporate fairly soon.

Since the guidelines were inadequate to clearly and explicitly address this specific issue, then I would not have banned DM for his post, had I been making that decision. I would have accepted that DM skirted around the letter of the rules and immediately locked the thread and edited the phone number out (remember DM removed the number 20 hours after it had been posted). I would also have left a message in that thread saying that the guidelines were being updated and that posting this sort of information would be explicitly forbidden forum-wide when the new guidelines were posted. Instead DM was avowedly banned for "pushing the limits of our forum guidelines" in a message that was clearly angry in tone. That's pretty unprofessional.

Nikolai suggests that one should "...consider playing by the spirit of the rules, rather than playing to the closest-to-not-the-rules interpretation of the rules you can swing...", and there is something to that notion. However, as long as there are rules governing the behavior of willful human beings, there will be tests of those rules. And what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Think of it as open source forum guidelines development.

As to Timmy's sexual, political, and work-related affiliations, I have no comment.