Maxustay should be score reset for the sake of the site?

[jiminski]

Hello CC and a very Happy New Year!

I have in fact left the site and had just dipped in to say happy Christmas to my friends. While doing so i decided to play some insane foggy speedgames on an unfamiliar map. (I had great fun in the main!) In the process and minding my own business, I was accosted in game by Max. He was on his monotonous quest for credibility and justification of his practices. I take exception at this imposition and he spoiled the game for me in a simple stroke... as he had intended! I should not have let that happen, i agree but we feel how we feel.

One of the reasons i left the site is the complete undermining of the scoring system* and the forthright propaganda allowed to the Farmers (Guild). The folly in their bravado and their position that they are skilled is very destructive to a site which prides itself on intellect and fair-play. Particularly as they need only point to the scoreboard for support.

Some are skilled of course but Max, their most vehement advocate, has admitted that he is not on many occasions.

So i am not sure how people feel about this but perhaps a good step toward restoration of credibility would be to reset him to the position of New Recruit?

As a bi-product he will then be able to join games with his peers, whilst still holding the advantage of the secret, mystical knowledge of how to succeed! (This knowledge holds the key to joining a game in which he will be the only one actually playing.)

The way peoples skill is measured here, unfortunately, is by points! If you look towards the top of the scoreboard it is like looking at the top 10 Wall Street traders for 2008; the market has been inflated by the fabrication of false profit and the house of cards must fall.

Now i do not wish this thread to disintegrate further into mud-slinging. I would like to hear opinions as to the affect that the large swathes of farmers in the upper echelons has upon the site and our personal desires to reach the top!

Does the scoreboard, as it stands, make you realise that you must be a farmer to make it to the top?
Would you like further adjustment to the system?
etc etc.





*I beleive that Lack has made good inroads into setting this right by not allowing the new recruits to play the more esoteric boards (well done turtle!)

[e_i_pi]

Unfortunately jim, this thread, like every other thread created by dozens of other caring members, will inveitably turn into yet another spot fire - to be shipped off to Flame Wars at an appropriate date.

I don't think the admins realise that the problem is cancerous and will ultimately have such a severe impact on the site that it will render it vulnerable to further attacks from other sources (competitors, Hasbro, the immovable weight of hundreds of disillusioned subscribers). I see very little proactive measure being taken here, with the community itself having to be the main proponent of positive change. These comments will probably come as a bit of a surprise to the admins who I have been in close contact with over the past few months, but this is the truth. There are problems that are perceived by many members, and they are barely, if ever, acknowledged by those in power. A change will invariably come in the future that will undermine this site to the point that it reverts back to the 'hobby' from whence it came. At once I feel sorry for those who have made this their lives, but also realise that it's a kill or be killed world out there, and presenting oneself as a target by being inactive is no-one's fault but their own.

[Regs]

How did this person Max accost you? Did you invite him to a private game, or did you set up a public game and he joined? Did you join one of his games? Did someone hack your ignore list allowing his hurtful comments to be visible? So many possibilities. I hope your issue gets resolved.

[FarangDemon]

It is disappointing. I didn't realize it at first because I was only living in my low ranked world. But now that I've brushed shoulders with colonels, brigs and generals I find that there are many who got there because they can beat disorganized noob teams and tend to play most of their games against them. They don't always make the best decisions, even on the tactical level of army placement given a particular strategic goal, which should be the first thing any player worth his salt learns.

Over time, if they allow me to play them, I will continue to gain some of their points. But it seems like the only way to get to the tippity top is by playing question marks, which I don't find particularly thrilling.

On that note, have you or anybody else found any other site that rivals CC in playability but has a better scoring system?

[Megadeth666]

It will never happen with Maxustay, he is good buddies with a few Mods here, and I am sure the other Top Conquers have discussed their farming abilities with the Mods, At least lack has made an attempt to stop some of the foolish farming, and undeserved points/rank, ...We all know who the people are, that don't deserve the title.

There was a suggestion before changing who is the TRUE CONQUEROR ...Not just a smart farmer

[maxatstuy]

Game 3928305

2008-12-28 22:01:24 - maxatstuy: hey jiminski
2008-12-28 22:01:49 - maxatstuy: since you started playing mid ranked and low ranked players your score has dropped
2008-12-28 22:02:00 - maxatstuy: that is why only playing high ranked players is farming

I guess he was offended by the realization of his farming...poor jim, stuck in denial.

I never said that I was a bad player and I never said that I was undeserving of my rank, I have however said that I probably not the best Risk player on this site and I have never pretended to be. I am one of the best at Conquer Club, not Risk, and as a result I outrank you by 2500 points (double your score); getting to the top of the scoreboard by any legal means possible is Conquer Club, and if you want to see who the best Risk player is, perhaps you should buy the board game and challenge your mother and next door neighbor to a duel! Be sure to announce who the winner is because Im sure to be in contention awaiting the results!

Unfortunately jim, this thread, like every other thread created by dozens of other caring members, will inveitably turn into yet another spot fire - to be shipped off to Flame Wars at an appropriate date.

I don't think the admins realise that the problem is cancerous and will ultimately have such a severe impact on the site that it will render it vulnerable to further attacks from other sources (competitors, Hasbro, the immovable weight of hundreds of disillusioned subscribers). I see very little proactive measure being taken here, with the community itself having to be the main proponent of positive change. These comments will probably come as a bit of a surprise to the admins who I have been in close contact with over the past few months, but this is the truth. There are problems that are perceived by many members, and they are barely, if ever, acknowledged by those in power. A change will invariably come in the future that will undermine this site to the point that it reverts back to the 'hobby' from whence it came. At once I feel sorry for those who have made this their lives, but also realise that it's a kill or be killed world out there, and presenting oneself as a target by being inactive is no-one's fault but their own.

Im quivering...

Oh, and on a side note, if mods decide to reset my score, please do it in the next 6 hours before I beat lt.pie. At least I could win a lot more points that way

[maxatstuy]

It will never happen with Maxustay, he is good buddies with a few Mods here, and I am sure the other Top Conquers have discussed their farming abilities with the Mods, At least lack has made an attempt to stop some of the foolish farming, and undeserved points/rank, ...We all know who the people are, that don't deserve the title.

There was a suggestion before changing who is the TRUE CONQUEROR ...Not just a smart farmer

Please show me these mythical mods...I would love to meet them

Are you referring to the mods who blocked me from playing with my friends, or the ones whose foe list I am on...I would love to hear this. Oh, even better, you must be referring to Twill, the administrator who not only busted me without justifiable reasoning, but who also put me on his foe list; even though I take pride in the latter part of that statement

[Timminz]

2008-12-28 22:02:00 - maxatstuy: that is why only playing high ranked players is farming

Max. Just because you call any way people gain points "farming" does not make it so. Have you ever heard the phrase, "To be the best, you must beat the best." It might not be the way to get the highest score, but it is a decent way to have respect to go along with that score.

[maxatstuy]

2008-12-28 22:02:00 - maxatstuy: that is why only playing high ranked players is farming

Max. Just because you call any way people gain points "farming" does not make it so. Have you ever heard the phrase, "To be the best, you must beat the best." It might not be the way to get the highest score, but it is a decent way to have respect to go along with that score.

To beat the best you have to be able to win against the worst...something which Jiminski is apparently unable to do

[Aradhus]

Max is by no means the only farmer on this site, and if we were to strip his points we'd have to do it to all the farmers. And that is a pretty long list. A list which includes some hypocrites that should concern themselves with erradicating their own farming games and cheap tactics instead of mouthing off about the cheap tactics of others.

As long as these guys are not breaking the rules then I will defend their farming(which is a huge part of internet gaming, not just this site) and their bragging of it.

Having said that, I would like to say that just because I defend it, doesn't mean I necessarily condone it. To a large extent I think its really pathetic and some of the farming practices have streched the rules to breaking point. Like tricking new players into games by sending them links pretending to be something else.

[Timminz]

2008-12-28 22:02:00 - maxatstuy: that is why only playing high ranked players is farming

Max. Just because you call any way people gain points "farming" does not make it so. Have you ever heard the phrase, "To be the best, you must beat the best." It might not be the way to get the highest score, but it is a decent way to have respect to go along with that score.

To beat the best you have to be able to win against the worst...something which Jiminski is apparently unable to do

Does anyone else find it odd that max responded to my comment by flaming jiminski? What the hell does his opinion of jimi have to do with what I said?

[FarangDemon]

As long as these guys are not breaking the rules then I will defend their farming(which is a huge part of internet gaming, not just this site) and their bragging of it.

It is comforting to find someone such as you, with the courage to defend the practices of these farmers and their bragging rights. You are like those gypsies that vampires use to do all their menial labor while they are sleeping during the day.

[Aradhus]

As long as these guys are not breaking the rules then I will defend their farming(which is a huge part of internet gaming, not just this site) and their bragging of it.

It is comforting to find someone such as you, with the courage to defend the practices of these farmers and their bragging rights. You are like those gypsies that vampires use to do all their menial labor while they are sleeping during the day.

It is disturbing to find someone such as you, with the ignorance to not understand that just because limiting certain freedoms does not affect you, eventually the chain result will get around to the freedoms you do enjoy, by then of course it will be too late to complain. Because you condoned it in this instance, starting the snowball down the hill.

By the way, you know that vampires aren't real, right..?

[Jeff Hardy]

maxatstuy should be blocked from chatting in games he is not in

2 latest examples:
Game 3917910
Game 3928130

he goes into the games and trys to ruin everyone elses games because he cant play them himself

he pisses just about everyone off by telling them what to do and stuff

2008-12-27 06:46:43 - maxatstuy: you know whats fun?
2008-12-27 06:46:50 - maxatstuy: suiciding the highest rank

2008-12-27 06:47:15 - Jeff Hardy: tdans, max is a fag
2008-12-27 06:47:19 - tdans: yes deff

2008-12-29 02:38:05 - bridge2far: honestly... SHUT THE f*ck UP YOU NOOB.

2008-12-29 03:04:55 - bridge2far: hes just a retard and a stalker.

2008-12-29 03:04:23 - bridge2far: what a little bitch that knows nothing.

2008-12-29 03:04:41 - Clemson_Castro: so is max joining the next game

2008-12-29 03:04:42 - Jeff Hardy: join one yourself max

thats the type of stuff that is said from the moment max starts chatting untill he leaves again

also in the one game, max left and 2 minutes later

2008-12-27 06:51:29 - lanyards: money...its max

[Stephan Wayne]

this is funny thread

max is a crowerd and will not play unless it is aginst a new recrute
i really dont get what he sees in it but other than that i dont care

[jbrettlip]

I think a better idea, is to run a seperate 2009 score. So everyone has their ALL TIME points, but we start equal on Jan 1 2009 in a secondary point column. These are the points that are used in the claculation as each game ends. This could be reset annually or twice per year. It also would give newcomers a chance to hit the first page, at least on the annual score basis.

[prismsaber]

It is disappointing. I didn't realize it at first because I was only living in my low ranked world. But now that I've brushed shoulders with colonels, brigs and generals I find that there are many who got there because they can beat disorganized noob teams and tend to play most of their games against them. They don't always make the best decisions, even on the tactical level of army placement given a particular strategic goal, which should be the first thing any player worth his salt learns.

Over time, if they allow me to play them, I will continue to gain some of their points. But it seems like the only way to get to the tippity top is by playing question marks, which I don't find particularly thrilling.

On that note, have you or anybody else found any other site that rivals CC in playability but has a better scoring system?

There are many ways to manipulate score, and farming is only one of them. You my friend engage in another, more subtle method. That is, jumping on high ranked teams with low ranked players in order to what I call "point gouge" or point snatch. In other words creating an unfair point advantage for yourself while robbing other players.

I have several low ranked friends that are obedient to every order I give them, and if I chose to, I could be ruthless and take them into triples games against teams with colonels+. It would be effectively a 5900 point team against an 8500 point team, though the skill of both teams would be perhaps equal. This creates a huge point advantage for team 1, so that even if team 1 won 50% of games against high ranked teams, overall their point total would continue to climb and climb and climb. I personally find such a tactic cheap and therefore when I want to play with my friends who happen to be low ranked, I start the games the vast majority of the time rather than jump and cheat high rankers (many of whom are my friends) of their points.

Back to the original post, for those who are competitive, farming represents a blockade on their quest to become the Conqueror. There is simply no way to reach the astronomical point totals of the top without engaging in the shady tactics of farming or clicky map freestyling unsuspecting noobs who do not have the same tools. As more players become aware of this fact, there will continue to be a greater amount of players engaging in these activities unless something major is done.

[Fruitcake]

, there will continue to be a greater amount of players engaging in these activities unless something major is done.

Or even a 'general' revamp.

[Prankcall]

The scoring system has become so inflated and is no way relative to a person's playing abilities.When people complain about Max you must all remember he is a little kid and is probably enjoying this.I quit caring about what he does as it in no way reflects me.Becuz I see his name up high on the scoreboard does not make him a good player.Everything is farming here but FTR what you do Max is beyond farming,it is detrimental to the site.Also I have not run across another site that offers what this one does.
Edited to say I do not think a point reset is needed.

[Scott-Land]

maxatstuy should be blocked from chatting in games he is not in

Welcome to my world- the guy has stalked my games for months and months. It's quite pathetic.....

[Fipa]

maxatstuy should be blocked from chatting in games he is not in

Welcome to my world- the guy has stalked my games for months and months. It's quite pathetic.....

Why didn't you just foe him?

[Aradhus]

maxatstuy should be blocked from chatting in games he is not in

Welcome to my world- the guy has stalked my games for months and months. It's quite pathetic.....

Why is he stalking you? If you have him on foe, which I assume you do, its the other players in your games that he's aggravating.

If Lack thinks that Max(and others) is actually detrimental to the site, then maybe he could code it(or whatever it is you'd need to do, if its possible) that all new players automatically have Max on their foe list. I'm not sure how ethical that is.. less ethical than Max's uber-farming?

I do know that it would be a very slippery slope to go down that, or any similar type of path.

[Shatners Bassoon]

Who is he?

[joecoolfrog]

The scoring system has become so inflated and is no way relative to a person's playing abilities.When people complain about Max you must all remember he is a little kid and is probably enjoying this.I quit caring about what he does as it in no way reflects me.Becuz I see his name up high on the scoreboard does not make him a good player.Everything is farming here but FTR what you do Max is beyond farming,it is detrimental to the site.Also I have not run across another site that offers what this one does.
Edited to say I do not think a point reset is needed.

I have found that it is best to ignore what others are doing and just concentrate on enjoying my own games , even that though is getting more difficult as the standard of play seems to be in steady decline.

[owenshooter]

maxatstuy should be blocked from chatting in games he is not in

Welcome to my world- the guy has stalked my games for months and months. It's quite pathetic.....

Why didn't you just foe him?

if he foes him, how can he see what he is telling the other players to do? he goes in, tells other players to suicide or to attack the higher ranked players. pretty much a huge abuse of the chat feature... pm me, i'll send you the quote from twill i have saved about game chat and it's abuse by players...-0