[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[iAmCaffeine]

yes in order for the game to progress we must lynch someone, but we should try to find scum, not just lynch whomever, i'm not going to vote until i believe some one is scum. as to my opinion on the matter at hand well my first posts here were a general summary of my thoughts on the game as a whole, i decided to spend a bit more time looking back at the current cases before adding to them, i usually find it helpful to read the case then go do something else as i think on it, but if i remember right the case is that some believe that caffeine soft claimed third party, but in the quote below i take caffeine's statement to mean that he didn't claim third party, and caffeine said he will say more later, i want to wait and see what he has to say.

I don't think third parties are a bad thing, but it's probably harmless to ask for a claim to understand some mechanics.

Third parties aren't inherently evil, but without a role that helps town, they'll be lynched, due to their wavering loyalties. And I don't think IamCaffeine was softclaiming 3rd party, that's generally not a good thing to do if you want to live.

Although he can't spell my handle, he is correct.

There are still a few players we haven't heard from yet. I'd like them to voice up before going further.

Gregwolf is correct in that I am not claiming third party, just like jonty was; which I confirmed. Betty you seem awfully desperate to latch onto something and stick with it. And then cooldeals votes with incorrect information which I found quite hilarious.

Also, I have no need to create a story and I've had a very busy weekend, but there has been little activity here anyway so that's not really a problem. There are still a few people who are too quiet and not voicing opinions to justify a full claim.

[StorrZerg]

then pressure someone, don't just excuse yourself because of a group of "unnamed people"

[iAmCaffeine]

then pressure someone, don't just excuse yourself because of a group of "unnamed people"

I'm not excusing myself. I have had a very busy weekend. The person I'd most like to here from is Rodion and he said he would be making a post today, but I expect that won't be for a while yet because of his timezone.

[Rodion]

Well good news pcm is dead, bad news Neb is dead. Pcm's death is interesting. I have two thoughts - strongman kill or delayed PGO, Walt was busy (now I've never seen BB so I'm not sure if this would be too OOC for WW, but someone just killed his wife, so I could imagine any sane person doing it, but he cooks meth, so can he be sane, but then again he doesn't smoke it, so he might still be sane)

A bit waffly, must be the meth.

FASTPOSTED x9!!!!!!!! Are you guys on meth are summat

What? How?

@metsfanmax: who cares if skyler is accountant in the series.... not to insult you but a useless post in my opinion...

It's actually a pretty important post. I've lost count of games where people got mislynched because their claim didn't match the movie/series/book/whatever flavour. Being aware that Strike turned a "series accountant" into a "game doctor" is a nice way to prevent that.

SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.

That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?

I don't see why anything that happened since makes the wagon oportunistic at the time. there was nothing in that case in my opinion. It's like if i start a case out of your post just there building whatever theory out of it. I'm not saying super is town; I'm just saying that the case was made up from thin air, there was nothing and a wagon formed very quickly. too quickly in my opinion. But I didn't really manage to pull out any conclusion from the people wo formed that wagon to tell the truth.

Regarding caf, if I understood corectly he is softclaiming 3rd party... you guys understood the same right?

I think part of the funny/oportunistic statement assumes the possibility that one or more scumbuddy of Nark hopped on the SuperKeener wagon to avoid a lynch of his/their peer. Post-flip, realizing that Nark was not scum, the opportunism of the Super wagon definitely gets diminished. I did find it funny, though, considering there were 2-3 votes that basically said "I agree with you, Stor". In fact, it still is funny.

4 - Also, Virus, if those are your notes, where are the "pluses and minuses" at?

Still waiting on that.

It's been about a full day since the scene. I know we have a few yet to hear from but they may post in the next 24 hours but I'm convinced no one has a smoking one or they would have come out by now. I still would love to hear from everyone.

I think PCM's post saying he thinks Caff is scummy plus Caff's earlier non-commital play on D1 makes me think he is the one to pressure today. He has ignored Betiko's question about whether he is soft-claiming 3rd party too.

vote iAmCaffeine

Plus I personally am reading Betiko as town ( I know several of you say he always seems townie) but the way he has approached Day 2 makes me think we should be following him on this lead on Caff.

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

Oops I missed that. Want sure what he was agreeing with. I definitely agree with you. If you claim 3rd party better claim the whole thing.

What is this interaction?

Cooldeals, I would like the phrase highlighted in blue to be thoroughly explained. What did you mean? Should there be any typos/mistakes in the original phrase, please rewrite it.

[superkeener]

@Super you put down some fos on myself for not hammering onto iamcaffine. Care to dive a little deeper in that thought.

It was just an observation I made. You have been "hammering" into almost every other leading topic, except the caff wagon.
I thought it was worth mentioning.

What are your thoughts on the caff wagon?

[StorrZerg]

personally i don't hold much weight in it. The interaction i had with him on day 1 makes me think he is more likely to be town. I'd prefer to focus on others.
What i find really weird is

tbh it seems like caff plans to claim, but with the last comment idk. I'd rather people make reads on people or push people they want lynched.

Peoples votes i find "odd" /
nag/greg voted 5 days before end of day 1. with no other contribution to the game.
mets, slightly pushing but not really. not enough to stop other lynches. almost as if it seems the vote was a "f*ck you ill play how i want" rather than "i honestly think this person is scum"


Its also interesting that people are not pushing what happened yesterday. iamcaffeine is new, had no real pressure yesterday. No pressure is being put on the anarkist wagon. I'd love to hear other peoples thoughts on that lynch.

ill need to reread that and see everyones case / thoughts on anark before the lynch. As well as a look at the ironbutterfly stuff at the end of the day.

[StorrZerg]

tbh i wouldn't mind speeding some stuff up.

What direction do you want to go today jonty125?

only 1/3 of us have placed votes/ pushed a case on someone. lets up that get some more discussion.

[StorrZerg]

@iron butterfly
you have asked some questions today, how ever you have not really given your own input as of the direction you want to go today.

What do you think of Rodion? how about Super?

[Iron Butterfly]

@iron butterfly
you have asked some questions today, how ever you have not really given your own input as of the direction you want to go today.

What do you think of Rodion? how about Super?

Actually I am tired of you trying to generate conversation. Why not let it generate organically for a change instead of trying to constantly force it. When I have something to say I will be sure to speak my mind.

You created a day one case on Super that in my eyes was a good day one case given it was day one. You abandoned it and hopped on to stir the pot on someone else even after Super pulled an OMIGUS on me and a mini wagon.

As far as Rodion is concerned, he has a distinct advantage. He posted nothing of substance day one while reminding us he has no Internet and will be distracted by some celebration. He comes on day two and again posts nothing of real relevance opinion wise. Like you he seems more interested in directing traffic by asking others to clarify their positions by asking questions rather then stating their own opinions. He has after all read what we have read.

Tell you what let me ask you somthing...seeing how this is what you enjoy.

What did you think of Rodion's first post after getting his internet back? Do you think it was a good summation of what transpired from everything from day one to present? Did it you receive better insight into where he stands on anyone?

[cooldeals]

It's been about a full day since the scene. I know we have a few yet to hear from but they may post in the next 24 hours but I'm convinced no one has a smoking one or they would have come out by now. I still would love to hear from everyone.

I think PCM's post saying he thinks Caff is scummy plus Caff's earlier non-commital play on D1 makes me think he is the one to pressure today. He has ignored Betiko's question about whether he is soft-claiming 3rd party too.

vote iAmCaffeine

Plus I personally am reading Betiko as town ( I know several of you say he always seems townie) but the way he has approached Day 2 makes me think we should be following him on this lead on Caff.

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

Oops I missed that. Want sure what he was agreeing with. I definitely agree with you. If you claim 3rd party better claim the whole thing.

What is this interaction?

Cooldeals, I would like the phrase highlighted in blue to be thoroughly explained. What did you mean? Should there be any typos/mistakes in the original phrase, please rewrite it.

I am voting Caff essentially for the reasons in my first post.
1) I see PCM'S calling him scum (and me town) scum trying to distance themselves from other scum.
2) I thought his D1 play was suspect a well.
3) I get a town vibe from Betiko and think maybe this is more than just a hunch of Betiko's

I mention in the first post that Caff had not responded to Betiko's comment on Caff claiming 3rd party.

Then TFO says I read Caff's post wrong and he is claiming 3rd party.

I meant to respond that I "WASN'T" sure what Caff was saying he agreed to (being 3rd party in particular) and if he is agreeing to being 3rd party then all the more reason to claim. Sorry for the typo I check mafia on my phone sometimes to not fall behind and as you can imagine auto correct can change things I don't notice on my tiny screen. Anyway I wasn't voting Caff just because TFO thinks he's saying he's 3rd party so no need to change my vote.

[iAmCaffeine]

It's been about a full day since the scene. I know we have a few yet to hear from but they may post in the next 24 hours but I'm convinced no one has a smoking one or they would have come out by now. I still would love to hear from everyone.

I think PCM's post saying he thinks Caff is scummy plus Caff's earlier non-commital play on D1 makes me think he is the one to pressure today. He has ignored Betiko's question about whether he is soft-claiming 3rd party too.

vote iAmCaffeine

Plus I personally am reading Betiko as town ( I know several of you say he always seems townie) but the way he has approached Day 2 makes me think we should be following him on this lead on Caff.

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

Oops I missed that. Want sure what he was agreeing with. I definitely agree with you. If you claim 3rd party better claim the whole thing.

What is this interaction?

Cooldeals, I would like the phrase highlighted in blue to be thoroughly explained. What did you mean? Should there be any typos/mistakes in the original phrase, please rewrite it.

I am voting Caff essentially for the reasons in my first post.
1) I see PCM'S calling him scum (and me town) scum trying to distance themselves from other scum.
2) I thought his D1 play was suspect a well.
3) I get a town vibe from Betiko and think maybe this is more than just a hunch of Betiko's

I mention in the first post that Caff had not responded to Betiko's comment on Caff claiming 3rd party.

Then TFO says I read Caff's post wrong and he is claiming 3rd party.

I meant to respond that I "WASN'T" sure what Caff was saying he agreed to (being 3rd party in particular) and if he is agreeing to being 3rd party then all the more reason to claim. Sorry for the typo I check mafia on my phone sometimes to not fall behind and as you can imagine auto correct can change things I don't notice on my tiny screen. Anyway I wasn't voting Caff just because TFO thinks he's saying he's 3rd party so no need to change my vote.

There was a lot of misinterpretation with my post, quite possibly because betty is looking for something so desperately, like I said earlier. I am not claiming third party.

I also provided reasons against why mafia would try and distance against mafia in day. But, to add to what I said earlier about town most likely outnumbering mafia and therefore making it a very high risk play, there are so many players in the first day that mafia don't need to do that; they can distance themselves without pushing against each other.

[Rugbirn]

IB, are you ever going to answer my question and give me your opinion why Anark fingered Neb specificaaly in his last post? Or are you going to act like scum and ignore me?

[Rodion]

It's been about a full day since the scene. I know we have a few yet to hear from but they may post in the next 24 hours but I'm convinced no one has a smoking one or they would have come out by now. I still would love to hear from everyone.

I think PCM's post saying he thinks Caff is scummy plus Caff's earlier non-commital play on D1 makes me think he is the one to pressure today. He has ignored Betiko's question about whether he is soft-claiming 3rd party too.

vote iAmCaffeine

Plus I personally am reading Betiko as town ( I know several of you say he always seems townie) but the way he has approached Day 2 makes me think we should be following him on this lead on Caff.

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

Oops I missed that. Want sure what he was agreeing with. I definitely agree with you. If you claim 3rd party better claim the whole thing.

What is this interaction?

Cooldeals, I would like the phrase highlighted in blue to be thoroughly explained. What did you mean? Should there be any typos/mistakes in the original phrase, please rewrite it.

I am voting Caff essentially for the reasons in my first post.
1) I see PCM'S calling him scum (and me town) scum trying to distance themselves from other scum.
2) I thought his D1 play was suspect a well.
3) I get a town vibe from Betiko and think maybe this is more than just a hunch of Betiko's

I mention in the first post that Caff had not responded to Betiko's comment on Caff claiming 3rd party.

Then TFO says I read Caff's post wrong and he is claiming 3rd party.

I meant to respond that I "WASN'T" sure what Caff was saying he agreed to (being 3rd party in particular) and if he is agreeing to being 3rd party then all the more reason to claim. Sorry for the typo I check mafia on my phone sometimes to not fall behind and as you can imagine auto correct can change things I don't notice on my tiny screen. Anyway I wasn't voting Caff just because TFO thinks he's saying he's 3rd party so no need to change my vote.

Yeah, I thought you meant "wasn't". But something about the sequence of posts seems off.

If I had not realized Caffeine had answered Betiko's inquiry, I'd have responded like this:

"Oops I missed that. I am not sure what he was agreeing with."

It's written in the present tense becase I'd have just read TFO's post and, consequently, would have just seen Caffeine's response to Betiko. I missed it and I'm not sure what he was agreeing with.

The use of the past tense seems weird to me. When you claim that you "wasn't sure", it implies that you had already read Caffeine's response prior to TFO's observation, which directly contradicts the previous phrase ("Oops I missed that").

So, did you originally miss it or not? If you did, why say "was not" instead of "am not"?

[Rodion]

IB, are you ever going to answer my question and give me your opinion why Anark fingered Neb specificaaly in his last post? Or are you going to act like scum and ignore me?

Dude, no, no, no!

I think TFO has already answered that satisfactorily. In fact, I've also correct Rishaed regarding that same chain of posts back in D1.

From what I remember, what basically happened:

1 - Neb was pissed that he was the one who originally perceived Nark was scummy but people ignored his case. Then Stor made his pressure, Nark claimed early and a wagon was formed.
2 - Neb basically complained that he was not getting his due credit for leading Nark's wagon. Then he said that, in case Nark ended up flipping town, he would be happy he didn't get that credit (because otherwise he'd likely get flak for leading the mislynch).
3 - Nark didn't "finger Neb specifically in his last post". He merely replied to what Neb had said about getting credit for his wagon. Nark basically said "since I'll flip town, you will want people to forget you voted me instead of wanting the credit for that".

That's all there is to it. VTs don't have any hidden knowledge.

[jonty125]

I have two thoughts - strongman kill or delayed PGO

What? How?

It was through this

Returning home for the night

now this seems to me that maybe pcm bonked off Neb, and then [possibly] triggered a delayed PGO mechanism, the strong man came from this

the man busted down the door too quickly

this gave the kill the 'unstoppable' feel to me.

tbh i wouldn't mind speeding some stuff up.

What direction do you want to go today jonty125?

only 1/3 of us have placed votes/ pushed a case on someone. lets up that get some more discussion.

Firstly, let me answer a question by asking one? Why me, not [insert other player]

And now, my choice of direction. Betiko. I don't have a problem anything betiko said D1. Now D2

the first jokevote on himself to be present and absent at the same time, all his town reads to get allies, and a scum read on him by another scum. this is just gut feeling, but it's my strongest in this game so far.

Weak reasoning, backed up with the uncounterable gut feeling which when I questioned him he replied with this

It's nothing by itself, it's just with the other clues. basically, it can be interpreted as someone participating in the jokevotes (active) but at the same time not bringing any fuss towards him to avoid the typical jokevote OMGUS. No one comented my new read on him being third party after his reply, that I would tend to judge as honest, and preparing us to anounce a third party role. I don't think third parties are a bad thing, but it's probably harmless to ask for a claim to understand some mechanics.

Here he admits the case is weak, but yet he is still on this track of iAmCaffeine (did I get it right? ) is 3rd party.

Also, I think we need to look at those who jumped on the superkeener wagon, that was a bandwagon, on a case with minimal substance.

[cooldeals]

Oh wow the grammar police are out.

Let's refresh that I was posting this from a phone shall we.

Oops I missed that = I did not catch on that Caff was saying he was third party

(I) wasn't sure what he was agreeing to = I didn't actually go back and check Caff's post but I remembered him saying "He is correct" as you'll see in the below post. I assumed (a bad thing to do in mafia) that TFO must be referencing this post and actually know who misspelled iAmCaffeine's handle (jonty only miscapitalized it, he didn't misspell it) etc.

I don't think third parties are a bad thing, but it's probably harmless to ask for a claim to understand some mechanics.

Third parties aren't inherently evil, but without a role that helps town, they'll be lynched, due to their wavering loyalties. And I don't think IamCaffeine was softclaiming 3rd party, that's generally not a good thing to do if you want to live.

Although he can't spell my handle, he is correct.

There are still a few players we haven't heard from yet. I'd like them to voice up before going further.

I take it now that Caff was saying jonty was correct when he said "don't think IamCaffeine was softclaiming 3rd party". Like I said before I was just checking on my phone and I didn't go back and reread the post because my vote on Caff was not dependent on him soft-claiming 3rd party. My entire post was more of a WOW response to some having claimed 3rd party for no reason. I mean that's like asking to be put at L-2. I probably should have reread the post but at the same time I was posting despite not having time while other people were enjoying Carnival and citing internet problems.

@Rodion so I take it you think iAmCaffeine is town?

fp twice I'll have to look into what jonty is saying about betiko. I have a town read on betiko as of now so seems I need to read over some things.

[Iron Butterfly]

IB, are you ever going to answer my question and give me your opinion why Anark fingered Neb specificaaly in his last post? Or are you going to act like scum and ignore me?

I ignore you because your question is irrelevant. How many times must it be explained that Anarch was a VT? I understand you are new and may not understand how everything works but at its most basic Town has no idea who is who, a VT has no powers so any interaction had with neb has nothing to do with Anarch knowing who Neb was role wise.

They are both dead and both flipped Town.

[StorrZerg]

IB, are you ever going to answer my question and give me your opinion why Anark fingered Neb specificaaly in his last post? Or are you going to act like scum and ignore me?

Dude, no, no, no!

I think TFO has already answered that satisfactorily. In fact, I've also correct Rishaed regarding that same chain of posts back in D1.

From what I remember, what basically happened:

1 - Neb was pissed that he was the one who originally perceived Nark was scummy but people ignored his case. Then Stor made his pressure, Nark claimed early and a wagon was formed.
2 - Neb basically complained that he was not getting his due credit for leading Nark's wagon. Then he said that, in case Nark ended up flipping town, he would be happy he didn't get that credit (because otherwise he'd likely get flak for leading the mislynch).
3 - Nark didn't "finger Neb specifically in his last post". He merely replied to what Neb had said about getting credit for his wagon. Nark basically said "since I'll flip town, you will want people to forget you voted me instead of wanting the credit for that".



That's all there is to it. VTs don't have any hidden knowledge.

That your final answer for the order? Neb clearly made his case on anark after myself.
I made the pressure, anark claimed and that is why NEB went ham on anark.

posting.php?mode=quote&f=213&p=4432641

Latter he makes a case. Several people ended up making cases which should be noted for anark.

[StorrZerg]

Jonty125 picked you, cause i have not talked to you much. not sure what is on your mind.

Jonty you say
"Also, I think we need to look at those who jumped on the superkeener wagon, that was a bandwagon, on a case with minimal substance."

Yet a town, went onto that vote (Neb). (i know i'm town) And a mafia went on to someone that voted Super (PCM on Virus). Makes me think it was more of a a "TOWN" wagon than a "mafia opportunity" PCM had the option to push a different person. He states his vote on virus was pressure for inactivity and latter says its better to keep it on virus than to move it. If 1 mafia party, doesn't make sense to build up a new case on someone and HELP push it when anark is looking like the top lynch. (hence why the most built up case was anark) If 2 mafia factions, then neither really wants to move as well cause they know Anark is not one of them. Again no motivation to push super. Could super be town? maybe. I am more inclined to think Super is scum based on the votes and actions.

Jonty125 since you are "looking at betiko" Does him saying "this super vote looks funny" What do you make of that comment now? Several people dismissed the option. "because of how it looked" not if "super looked town or scum"

[Rodion]

Oh wow the grammar police are out.

You got defensive pretty quickly, didn't you?

Let's refresh that I was posting this from a phone shall we.

Oops I missed that = I did not catch on that Caff was saying he was third party

(I) wasn't sure what he was agreeing to = I didn't actually go back and check Caff's post but I remembered him saying "He is correct" as you'll see in the below post.

You see, correctly interpreting who Caffeine agreed with (be it Betiko or Jonty) is not the point here. The point is whether you realized that Caffeine had replied to Betiko or not. Check your quote:

He has ignored Betiko's question about whether he is soft-claiming 3rd party too.

If you had realized he had agreed with someone (again, be it Betiko or Jonty), there would have been no legitimate grounds for this quote to exist, as Caffeine didn't ignore Betiko. He either agreed with him and confirmed his 3rd-party allegiance or agreed with Jonty and didn't want anything he said to be perceived as a softclaim.

The point of my questioning was:
"am not" - I JUST realized Caffeine did adress Betiko's question (after TFO pointed that out)
"was not" - I didn't realize it now, in the present. I actually had realized that already, in the past.

The issue if that if you had realized that in the past, saying you had "missed it" is a lie. And we all know what happens to liars.

Do you think that my thought process is not legitimate? Because that's what your grammar police ad hominem implied.

How about everyone else (especially people whose mother language is english), what do you guys think?

If you remember that much, I assumed (a bad thing to do in mafia) that TFO must be referencing this post and actually know who misspelled iAmCaffeine's handle (jonty only miscapitalized it, he didn't misspell it) etc.

I take it now that Caff was saying jonty was correct when he said "don't think IamCaffeine was softclaiming 3rd party". Like I said before I was just checking on my phone and I didn't go back and reread the post because my vote on Caff was not dependent on him soft-claiming 3rd party. My entire post was more of a WOW response to some having claimed 3rd party for no reason. I mean that's like asking to be put at L-2. I probably should have reread the post but at the same time I was posting despite not having time while other people were enjoying Carnival and citing internet problems.

Defensive again?

For your information, if I end up deciding you acted in a scummy manner, the "at least I was posting instead of not posting" is not going to be a valid defense.

@Rodion so I take it you think iAmCaffeine is town?

I don't feel good about a handful of people (about half the remaining players). That includes Caffeine and, most recently, you. I know that several of my feels are wrong, as there can't be that many anti-town players in the game (plus, statistically, there must be at least 1 scum on the half of the list I currently have no issues with).

As for your vote on Caffeine, I find it pretty fishy for the following reasons:

1) I see PCM'S calling him scum (and me town) scum trying to distance themselves from other scum.
2) I thought his D1 play was suspect a well.
3) I get a town vibe from Betiko and think maybe this is more than just a hunch of Betiko's

1 - WIFOM
2 - Since you are using that D1 card as a reason, did you happen to mention you suspected his play back in D1 (maybe in one of the many moments Stor asked people to give their reads)?
3 - Betiko was the very guy who correctly said that the fact someone is town doesn't mean his reads are precise. Even if Betiko turns up to be town, getting a town vibe from him is hardly a reason to jump on a wagon.
3 again - That's basically you hoping Betiko has a cop guilty on Caffeine. It's both unlikely that Betiko is the cop from your pesrpective (1/14 assuming you're not it) and that Betiko would have investigated Caffeine pre-PCM's flip. Check that:

honestly, super and caf didn't say anything that seemed strange to me at the time.

[Rodion]

IB, are you ever going to answer my question and give me your opinion why Anark fingered Neb specificaaly in his last post? Or are you going to act like scum and ignore me?

Dude, no, no, no!

I think TFO has already answered that satisfactorily. In fact, I've also correct Rishaed regarding that same chain of posts back in D1.

From what I remember, what basically happened:

1 - Neb was pissed that he was the one who originally perceived Nark was scummy but people ignored his case. Then Stor made his pressure, Nark claimed early and a wagon was formed.
2 - Neb basically complained that he was not getting his due credit for leading Nark's wagon. Then he said that, in case Nark ended up flipping town, he would be happy he didn't get that credit (because otherwise he'd likely get flak for leading the mislynch).
3 - Nark didn't "finger Neb specifically in his last post". He merely replied to what Neb had said about getting credit for his wagon. Nark basically said "since I'll flip town, you will want people to forget you voted me instead of wanting the credit for that".



That's all there is to it. VTs don't have any hidden knowledge.

That your final answer for the order? Neb clearly made his case on anark after myself.
I made the pressure, anark claimed and that is why NEB went ham on anark.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/postin ... &p=4432641

Latter he makes a case. Several people ended up making cases which should be noted for anark.

Sorry, sir. I didn't pay much attention to the order as that was not relevant to explaining the situation to Rugbirn.

You can have the credit for the mislynch if you are so adamant about making sure people know YOU started the wagon.

And F%#@ all of you who call my case shit and are now voting Anarkistsdream. I don't know if any of you who are voting did call it crap, but it frustrates me that I put the best case of the day together and got laughed at for it. Yet, he will now get lynched, and I don't even get credit for the case...well, if he IS town, I guess I don't want credit.

The relevant thing is that he made a post about credit and Nark said he wouldn't want the credit.

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Maybe you should reread the anark case. l

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Oh wow the grammar police are out.

You got defensive pretty quickly, didn't you?

In America we call that a joke

Let's refresh that I was posting this from a phone shall we.

Oops I missed that = I did not catch on that Caff was saying he was third party

(I) wasn't sure what he was agreeing to = I didn't actually go back and check Caff's post but I remembered him saying "He is correct" as you'll see in the below post.

You see, correctly interpreting who Caffeine agreed with (be it Betiko or Jonty) is not the point here. The point is whether you realized that Caffeine had replied to Betiko or not. Check your quote:

I honestly didn't think he had replied to betiko. Reread iAmCaffeine's answer. Had he directly said "I am not 3rd party" we would not be having this discussion. Yet he said "although he can't spell my handle, he is correct". It is vague and I didn't understand it. When TFO said Caff was admitting 3rd party I assumed that line I didn't understand was his admission.

He has ignored Betiko's question about whether he is soft-claiming 3rd party too.

If you had realized he had agreed with someone (again, be it Betiko or Jonty), there would have been no legitimate grounds for this quote to exist, as Caffeine didn't ignore Betiko. He either agreed with him and confirmed his 3rd-party allegiance or agreed with Jonty and didn't want anything he said to be perceived as a softclaim.

The point of my questioning was:
"am not" - I JUST realized Caffeine did adress Betiko's question (after TFO pointed that out)
"was not" - I didn't realize it now, in the present. I actually had realized that already, in the past.

The issue if that if you had realized that in the past, saying you had "missed it" is a lie. And we all know what happens to liars.

Do you think that my thought process is not legitimate? Because that's what your grammar police ad hominem implied.

How about everyone else (especially people whose mother language is english), what do you guys think?

So English isn't your first language and you are nitpicking my grammar to make accusations out of it? I really think you are seeing something that isn't there, but believe what you believe it's really irrelevant to me. As I said in my above green response. I didn't think he had addressed the question of 3rd party. I did not understand Caff's vague response and when TFO said Caff was admitting to being 3rd party I assumed that was what he meant in that vague phrase.

If you remember that much, I assumed (a bad thing to do in mafia) that TFO must be referencing this post and actually know who misspelled iAmCaffeine's handle (jonty only miscapitalized it, he didn't misspell it) etc.

I take it now that Caff was saying jonty was correct when he said "don't think IamCaffeine was softclaiming 3rd party". Like I said before I was just checking on my phone and I didn't go back and reread the post because my vote on Caff was not dependent on him soft-claiming 3rd party. My entire post was more of a WOW response to some having claimed 3rd party for no reason. I mean that's like asking to be put at L-2. I probably should have reread the post but at the same time I was posting despite not having time while other people were enjoying Carnival and citing internet problems.

Defensive again?

For your information, if I end up deciding you acted in a scummy manner, the "at least I was posting instead of not posting" is not going to be a valid defense.

Oh goodness. You are pulling an MoB on me. I'm calling out your scumminess. Here you are, you've stated no opinions at all and hardly posted D1 and the beginning of D2. Then out of the blue you make a case out of a typo and the word "wasn't" when I have an actual case (WIFOM included yes it's D2 no results) on Caff and he has the most momentum for pressure. What you are doing is coming to his aid. You say that you think he is possibly scum. In America we have the phrase "Actions speak louder than words". Your actions of coming out of your nonposting status to jump on a grammar mistake to get the heat off iAmCaffeine speaks much louder to me that you are trying to protect him than your words that you think he might be suspicious.

@Rodion so I take it you think iAmCaffeine is town?

I don't feel good about a handful of people (about half the remaining players). That includes Caffeine and, most recently, you. I know that several of my feels are wrong, as there can't be that many anti-town players in the game (plus, statistically, there must be at least 1 scum on the half of the list I currently have no issues with).

This is a very safe and broad response. What constitutes a handful of people? I would assume that means more than 2 yet you only list Caffeine and myself. To me this seems you are trying to be non-committal and hide your opinions. That seems scummy to me to be honest.

As for your vote on Caffeine, I find it pretty fishy for the following reasons:

1) I see PCM'S calling him scum (and me town) scum trying to distance themselves from other scum.
2) I thought his D1 play was suspect a well.
3) I get a town vibe from Betiko and think maybe this is more than just a hunch of Betiko's

1 - WIFOM
2 - Since you are using that D1 card as a reason, did you happen to mention you suspected his play back in D1 (maybe in one of the many moments Stor asked people to give their reads)?
3 - Betiko was the very guy who correctly said that the fact someone is town doesn't mean his reads are precise. Even if Betiko turns up to be town, getting a town vibe from him is hardly a reason to jump on a wagon.
3 again - That's basically you hoping Betiko has a cop guilty on Caffeine. It's both unlikely that Betiko is the cop from your pesrpective (1/14 assuming you're not it) and that Betiko would have investigated Caffeine pre-PCM's flip. Check that:

Come up with a better argument that doesn't include WIFOM today and I'll address it. I think it's possible betiko has some kind of result he wants to check against iAmCaffeine's claim. If you can't catch that subtle hint out of my posts I don't know why you think you can draw so much out of the word "wasn't".

honestly, super and caf didn't say anything that seemed strange to me at the time.

I responded in this color above. Your defense of iAmCaffeine is noted.

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ok to your question Iron Butterfly regarding Rodion

I'll buy his crap regarding phone stuff. As of right now he is being pretty active so i'll take that as a good sign. I really don't like how he stayed in the middle, didn't push anything, "called anark town" Would really have liked to seen some direction. If everyone played day one with not pushing a lynch then there would never be a lynch. I'm a firm believer that lynching day 1 is good for town, and to have someone in the game who is "consistent with no voting day 1" is sort of weird. Just seems like a cop out, possibly makes it hard for scum to find reason to kill you since you didn't do anything day 1, and makes it hard for people to build a case against you or agree with you as well. How ever day 2 Rodion has become more active. (Still going over his posts).

You asked specifically about his intro post with stable internet. I don't read to much into that, just a bunch of "general info" which any alignment could say. Possibly could say the virus +/- thing is a rehash on what i've said.

As for continuing to read his posts, im liking the line of questioning he is using, seems like he is trying to get to the bottom of things. Figure out the puzzle.
So for now Rodion looks ok. Maybe a little scummy since i cant' tell what direction he is pushing. Sure he is pushing cooldeals a little, can't tell if its "get the facts right" or "cool deals is scummy cause he keeps messing up the facts"

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What i do find funny about this cooldeals vs Rodion interaction is the "grammar" stuff. I know i have terrible grammar and spelling, yet Rodion has not jumped on me for that.

Also @cooldeals no need for the "in America" its a game of mafia.