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Bubble People

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:46 pm
by Jammorn
Image



5 Continents
27 countries


Nothing to special just wanted to give making a map a shot and didnt want to use a real map :P lemme know some thoughts.

If theres interest ill keep working on it if not ill file it under things i did to keep myself from succumbing to bordem.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:48 pm
by HighBorn
wow um yeah....... id go with the later rather than the former... :wink: ..lol.. naw man anything can become a good map if your willing and able to do it

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:56 pm
by Jammorn
lol the insparation for the non country map was when i looked at crossword and thought to myself wtf is that? figured i could at least get one or 2 of those

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:34 pm
by AK_iceman
im not going to lie to you, this looks retarded. but since it is better than i could do, carry on.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:36 pm
by Jammorn
retarded: yes

playable: maybe

fun: better than crossword looks :)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:40 pm
by Jota
Wow, that looks pretty cool. It definitely needs work (like country names, for a start), but it looks like it could become a really fun map. I'd play it.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:03 am
by Marvaddin
I agree, retarded, but can be much more funny than crosswords (although I never played it :lol: ) But, of course, no need to thaaaaaaat size.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:58 am
by Jammorn
so weve got the new name decided upon, it would seem to be:

"Retarded Bubble People"

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:22 am
by Pedronicus
I've come here to post constructive critism. This looks terrible. don't make it

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:21 am
by Jammorn
so concensus so far, its retarded, but not unplayable, need a list of suggestions that woul dmake it playable, im gonna continue working on it dispite the few naysayers!

*glares at pedronicus*

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:34 pm
by AndrewO
I will certainly be the funniest map on the site!

Wonder if you could have an animated gif with the bubbles bobbling about while you play...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:47 pm
by Evil Pope
so weve got the new name decided upon, it would seem to be:

"Retarded Bubble People"

Great name!

It definitely needs work (like country names, for a start)

You could give the bubble people real names.. Like john, bill, frank, bubbly.. or Bubble John, bubble bill, etc..

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:47 pm
by Pedronicus
Jammorn wrote:so concensus so far, its retarded, but not unplayable, need a list of suggestions that woul dmake it playable, im gonna continue working on it dispite the few naysayers!

*glares at pedronicus*


Glare away, I'm just saying that its going to take a whole load of programming after 3 people massage your ego and tell you it looks fun / good / playable

and you sit there making all the co ordinates match up, only for 10 people ever to play it.

This sites got a whole load of maps, and to be taken seriously - your map needs to improve on the existing ones.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:10 pm
by Machiavelli
Its funny and has some potential but I wouldnt waste my time programing it.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:19 pm
by spiesr
This map is retarted!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:19 pm
by onbekende
spiesr wrote:This map is retarted!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:20 pm
by spiesr
onbekende wrote:
spiesr wrote:This map is retarted!

What is your piont?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:25 pm
by onbekende
your post din't need a comment, it was what i thought to

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:45 pm
by Jammorn
more i dont really mind putting the effort into it if only 10 ppl will play becasue ill play it, if only 10 people playing is an issue with it ever getting approved then ill quit now, but if it has any potential to go live ill work on it for my own ammusment.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:50 pm
by qeee1
It's amusing as a concept, so I'd probably play it once, but it's not grabbing enough to secure frequent plays by me. However if the layout and strategy element is good that would secure frequent plays anyway.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:10 pm
by Jota
Ignoring the junior high school chorus...

My first thought is that it really ought to have more countries. Even 30-36 is a pretty small map (although not unreasonable, if your concept is one that requires it), but I think 27 might be just too few. Specifically, I'd recommend adding a whole sixth continent (probably in addition to expanding one or more of the existing ones).

Second, the strings or whatever the connecting lines are could look a lot more interesting. Maybe ribbons would be nice. If nothing else, you shouldn't have some of them sticking across the edges of the bubbles and some not: that just looks sloppy.

Third, country names. I don't really see any reason that the concept would require such non-descript names. They might be fully justified in Snakes and Ladders, but I don't see any value in doing it here. Are the smaller bubbles supposed to be "people" as well? If so, I would take Evil Pope's suggestion and give them all people-style names. Maybe each color group should be a family, so that the continents would be their surnames ("Bebbly", "Bobblin", "Babbles", or whatever), and the countries would have first names as well ("Judy Bebbly", "Jim Bebbly", "Patty Bobblin", and so forth).

Fourth, I think the continent bonuses need some revision as well, but I'll wait to see where things go with the other aspects of the map before looking too deeply into that.

Fifth, it might be worth looking into some kind of gimmick that would set the map apart from other maps. I personally feel the distinctive visual style is enough to get my interest, but that's apparently not the case for everyone. Don't try to force a gimmick into it if it doesn't fit, but if something occurs to you that you'd like to try out, give it a shot. It might make the gameplay interesting enough to attract some players who otherwise wouldn't bother trying it.

[Edit] Sixth, what image software are you using? I strongly recommend making sure that the program you pick is one that you know will handle the job well before you get too far into it. You really don't want to be halfway through the project using MS Paint, only to realize that some minor little change you need to make will require you to redraw most of your map.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:25 pm
by Jammorn
Thankyou for actually usefull post finally!

this was just a rough sketch of what i wanted to try, so revamping it entirely from scratch is not a problem to fix # of countries, conector strings and overlaps.

I was thinking that i would arrange each country as a person with the territories as appendages. still looking searching for a good naming system that wont be to bulky.

Ill put some thought into a gimick, and try to have a revision up later on.

one last question before i start it though is if there is little interest how much work is it for Lack to take it from me doing all the xml work to hosting it? and if there is little interest what are the odds hell bother?

more useful critisism appreciated thankyou

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:43 pm
by Jota
After you provide lack with the finished image files (both large and small) and the full XML, I'm not sure what he needs to do to put them online. I know it takes at least a some effort, since it's taken him a while to find the time to install the North America and USApoc maps. But on the other hand, he's implied that he's willing to put up any decent enough map that gets through the forum seive, so I wouldn't worry too much. And he can always just veto it at the end if he doesn't think it passes muster.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:47 pm
by AndyDufresne
Well lets see...


---I'd have to agree with Jota on most everything he has mentioned.

---This is an unsual departure from most usual maps, but that isn't necessarily bad. I like the kiddy-fun-playful feel of it. Though as Qeee1 said I'm not sure it would gather many more plays after a first few. But many people thought that about the Crossword map also, so surely we can be proven wrong.

---Jota mentioned a gimmick...perhaps you could do something similar to having a circus tent and other carnival type things down below on the ground, and these balloons(bubbles) could be escaping from that. Perhaps you could incorporate the legend into some aspect of the carnival below, perhaps on the top of the circus tent, or on a ride...etc.

---I think each of the bubbles/balloons could experiment with uniqueness. They are a large pallette that could be played with. As are the lines/strings connecting them.


This map is different and quite a stray from the norm, but I think with enough effort this could become a Niche map, and perhaps even a widely played one.


--Andy

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:21 pm
by Pedronicus
excuse me.

I have read through this since I last posted, and am amused by the constuctive critism posted by the map guru's.

whoever came up with this map idea is just fishing with a poor paint version of utter boring nothingness map

take the map - go away, and have a new idea other than 'bubbles' and will some of you map gurus have the ballz to reject crap ideas and suggest as i have suggested... All new maps need to better the existing maps