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French and Indian War

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:20 pm
by hendrr
French and Indian War

27 Territories
8 Bonus Regions
2 Special Rules
Objective Win Alternative

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Special Rules
- Cities and forts can attack the region they are in.
- Ports can attack either the region OR any other port.
- Tribes can attack either the region OR the tribe of the same color.
- Regions can attack adjacent regions OR any cities, forts, ports or tribes within them.

Starting Neutrals
- ALL Objectives will start neutral.
- 3 tribes will start neutral.
- 3 ports will start neutral.
- Florida will start neutral.

This means of the 73 regions available for play, 60 will be assigned.
Here is the player/region distribution with neutrals in []'s
(2/30, 3/20, 4/15, 5/12, 6/10, 7/8[4], 8/7[4])

In this map version, there are places for the armies.

I welcome any and all input to my map.

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:40 pm
by isaiah40
Now why didn't I think of this one :lol: A very good concept here, just make sure it is historically accurate (as much as possible). First thing that jumped out are the territory names. You're going to have to change them. Arcadia- if I remember my Canadian history right - is actually Acadia. Ontario and Quebec weren't called that then. Either were Missouri and the other non-colony states.

Here's a link to some info on one of the wars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War

Other than these things right now, I'm looking forward to your next update!

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:17 am
by hendrr
isaiah40 wrote:Now why didn't I think of this one :lol: A very good concept here, just make sure it is historically accurate (as much as possible). First thing that jumped out are the territory names. You're going to have to change them. Arcadia- if I remember my Canadian history right - is actually Acadia. Ontario and Quebec weren't called that then. Either were Missouri and the other non-colony states.

Here's a link to some info on one of the wars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War

Other than these things right now, I'm looking forward to your next update!


isaiah40,

First let me thank you for your valuable insights. =D> =D> =D>

Arcadia was my mistake (my in-laws stayed in a town called Arcadia, FL). I read it as Arcadia instead of Acadia.

I found this map of Britain's view of the New World (circa 1750). As you can see (not very clearly) all of the colonial states (including the Canadian ones) are there.

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I know that what is present day Maine belonged to Massachusetts at the time, but unless you can give me a clear cut case for why I should have SMA (South Massachusetts) and N MASS (North Massachusetts) vs. MASS (Massachusetts) and MAINE, then I will keep it the way it is. Everything else is under review.

- The objectives are based upon research I did in both Wikipedia and other online resources.
- The tribe locations are solely from Wikipedia (as is the basis of the map :) ).
- I doing research for the region area name changes and adding army location spots.

I will post again soon.

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:16 am
by Hatchman
You sure you wanna go with those colours? It just doesn't seem to fit the specific time period...

Otherwise it's a really nice idea.

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:21 am
by hendrr
hatchman wrote:You sure you wanna go with those colours? It just doesn't seem to fit the specific time period...

Otherwise it's a really nice idea.


Thanks for the encouragement. The French flag at the time was white with little fleur-de-leurs on it (CLEARLY not an option :lol: ). I found another map color scheme that might fit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_France.jpg

Let me know what you think.

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:06 am
by isaiah40
hendrr wrote:
hatchman wrote:You sure you wanna go with those colours? It just doesn't seem to fit the specific time period...

Otherwise it's a really nice idea.


Thanks for the encouragement. The French flag at the time was white with little fleur-de-leurs on it (CLEARLY not an option :lol: ). I found another map color scheme that might fit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_France.jpg

Let me know what you think.

Well I see 5 bonuses on that map so far. Acadia, Canada, Louisiana Upper Country, North Louisiana, Lower Louisiana all French. Then you would have bonuses for the Native Americans, the British Colonies, we are talking upwards of what 15 bonuses. I like it, I like it! It would work out.

I think what hatchman means that the color scheme of the map don't necessarily go with the colors in 1750 era.

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:52 am
by Hatchman
isaiah40 wrote:I think what hatchman means that the color scheme of the map don't necessarily go with the colors in 1750 era.


Yes, that is what I meant. Thanks :)

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:24 am
by jefjef
Cool idea..

I'm having a hard time picking out the objectives though. Be sure to make em easier to spot.

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:35 am
by RedBaron0
This map might be of great help to you then, no color, but much clearer than the period map you have already posted.

Click image to enlarge.
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Choose the colors you think are best, you really can't use white, but I don't think it's a bad thing to choose a blue color for the French. Most history books choose blue since it offsets red so well, which is usually the color assigned to the British... Green like in the map you got from Wikipedia would be a good choice too

You've got a good start here, lots of work to put in though, looking forward to your updates. :)

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:06 am
by hendrr
Thank you hatchman, jefjef and RedBaron0 for your valuable input. =D> =D> =D>

jefjef, I have been thinking the scope was too large and narrowing it to just the northeast where the battles historically took place. That way I can make it so the objectives are clearer and not blocked by the armies that are placed over them.

RedBaron0, thank you tremendously for the additional information on British settlement, fort and Indian tribe information. I will use (steal :mrgreen:) that information for my next version.

hatchman, your request requires a little more research. That is why I haven't got back to you right away.

Cheers

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:40 pm
by Hatchman

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:30 pm
by hendrr
hatchman wrote:I'm thinking colours like this:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/america_north_french_british_1763.jpg

You know, "antique" colours.


Now I see what you are talking about. :)

Thanks for your input, I will see if I can work these "antique" colours into my map.

Cheers.

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:35 am
by Industrial Helix
Excellent idea! I think its a great start but I have a few crits for you.

The colored indian territories... they're a bit hard to find and I think a player without BOB will have an exceedingly difficult time trying to figure it out.

The squares and circles are tough to read as well.

I also think you could do with about 15 more territories.

Looking forward to seeing this map develop and definitely towards playing it!

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:05 pm
by hendrr
Industrial Helix wrote:Excellent idea! I think its a great start but I have a few crits for you.

The colored indian territories... they're a bit hard to find and I think a player without BOB will have an exceedingly difficult time trying to figure it out.

The squares and circles are tough to read as well.

I also think you could do with about 15 more territories.

Looking forward to seeing this map develop and definitely towards playing it!


Industrial Helix,

My BOB-orientedness interfered with my map-making. Differentiating the indian territories to make them easier to pick out is a good catch. =D> Thank you!

Several people have pointed to the objectives being hard to identify, so that is one that I will definitely work on.

Like I said before, I think the scope (field) of battle is to large. I am going to cut the map down to the Northeast where most of the battles historic took place. This will allow me space for names, army placement, objectives and tribes.

I am glad that you look forward to the development and finally playing it.

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:37 pm
by thenobodies80
[Moved]

It would appear that development of this map has stalled. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Foundry Moderators will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. ;-)

Re: French and Indian War

PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:16 pm
by hendrr
Yes, I have been busy playing all the maps to see how their interface works vs. my interface would work.

-hendrr