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O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby chang50 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:59 am

http://www.youtube./watch?v=7-MURWD

How on earth did Alan Colmes remain so calm in the face of such incredible rudeness and intimidating behaviour?
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby xeno on Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:07 am

The link is broken for me :/
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby MeDeFe on Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:09 am

For me, too. I amended a "com" and got a message that the video no longer exists. I think I found what chang was referring to, though, and if that's what passes for debate on US television these days, I hope it doesn't get to this side of the ocean.
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby Gillipig on Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:24 am

I think he's referring to this video:


I don't get how this guy still get guests to his show. He's the rudest talk show host I've ever seen.
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby chang50 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:38 am

Gillipig wrote:I think he's referring to this video:


I don't get how this guy still get guests to his show. He's the rudest talk show host I've ever seen.


Sorry about the link...I watched on Thai tv this morning with my mouth wide open,it's not the first time he's disgraced himself in front of countless millions of viewers worldwide.Someone totally unfamiliar with Fox and O'Reilly in particular might easily think it was a parody..
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:42 am

Questions:

(1) Does O'Reilly behave like an ass because he supplies what those consumers demand?

(2) Is there anything constraining Fox News and/or O'Reilly from targeting (perhaps) a more profitable market of viewers?
(e.g. the Fox News owners, or the higher-ups, or their budget, or uncertainty and imperfect knowledge)
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby greenoaks on Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:03 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Questions:

(1) Does O'Reilly behave like an ass because he supplies what those consumers demand?

(2) Is there anything constraining Fox News and/or O'Reilly from targeting (perhaps) a more profitable market of viewers?
(e.g. the Fox News owners, or the higher-ups, or their budget, or uncertainty and imperfect knowledge)

O'Reilly regularly points out he is the top rated show, often more than the other news channels combined. i doubt there is another huge market more profitable than the one he has
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby chang50 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:05 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Questions:

(1) Does O'Reilly behave like an ass because he supplies what those consumers demand?

(2) Is there anything constraining Fox News and/or O'Reilly from targeting (perhaps) a more profitable market of viewers?
(e.g. the Fox News owners, or the higher-ups, or their budget, or uncertainty and imperfect knowledge)


1) is almost certainly true,I'm coming round to the view that a lot of his anger is feigned and he is playing to an under-educated redneck domestic constituencey which keeps his ratings high.
2)Rupert Murdoch owns FNC..go figure
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:10 am

greenoaks wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Questions:

(1) Does O'Reilly behave like an ass because he supplies what those consumers demand?

(2) Is there anything constraining Fox News and/or O'Reilly from targeting (perhaps) a more profitable market of viewers?
(e.g. the Fox News owners, or the higher-ups, or their budget, or uncertainty and imperfect knowledge)

O'Reilly regularly points out he is the top rated show, often more than the other news channels combined. i doubt there is another huge market more profitable than the one he has


O'Reilly isn't known to speak the truth either. :P
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:15 am

chang50 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Questions:

(1) Does O'Reilly behave like an ass because he supplies what those consumers demand?

(2) Is there anything constraining Fox News and/or O'Reilly from targeting (perhaps) a more profitable market of viewers?
(e.g. the Fox News owners, or the higher-ups, or their budget, or uncertainty and imperfect knowledge)


1) is almost certainly true,I'm coming round to the view that a lot of his anger is feigned and he is playing to an under-educated redneck domestic constituencey which keeps his ratings high.
2)Rupert Murdoch owns FNC..go figure


(1) I'm having trouble with accepting that people are that stupid susceptible to cognitive bias, but that could be case. I remember Al-Jazeera closing down Riz Khan, who hosted intellectual debates--in a TV news format--ranging from 15-30 minutes, but then Riz Khan either got closed down or he left, so maybe this confirms that appealing to bias is more profitable for TV news.

(2) Yeah... but I'm hesitant to accept the Elite Hypothesis on this one. It could be the case that uncertainty and imperfect knowledge of shifting strategies explains Fox News reluctance to broaden into more markets. Then again, Judge Napolitano's Freedom Watch was shut down not too long ago, so there's that...
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:18 am

Therefore, the O'Reilly show is a piece of crap, and Fox News in general sucks. The same goes for the other major TV news outlets.

(A) Can education change those individual preferences which would demand higher quality (more intelligent) TV news?
(Perhaps, people want something less intellectual--even if they were more educated).

(B) Constant critical thinking is stressful..., so perhaps this is one of several fundamental constraints on human improvement...
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby xeno on Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:22 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Therefore, the O'Reilly show is a piece of crap, and Fox News in general sucks. The same goes for the other major TV news outlets.

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To be fair fox noise has less shame than other news outlets when pushing their far right agenda. They are by far the worst, followed by msnbc.
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby oVo on Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:34 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:O'Reilly isn't known to speak the truth either. :P

A trait he shares with Rush Limbaugh, while preaching to the choir anything goes.
I suppose O'Really gets away just about anything, which has included sexual harassment
because he has the cash to cover it... and brings in big bucks for his network.

He's also good at what he does; walking that fine line, teetering at the brink
of going too far without becoming a liability and just enough controversy to
keep people tuning in... regardless of facts. It helps that he is just an opinion
spewer and as such doesn't have to be honest or truthful. His agenda is simple
just like Limbaugh, cash in.
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby CreepersWiener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:42 am

Gillipig wrote:I think he's referring to this video:


I don't get how this guy still get guests to his show. He's the rudest talk show host I've ever seen.


In actuality he didn't really have "guests" per se, but fellow co-workers. Alan Colmes works for Fox and Bill O'Reilly is close friends with him. This show was more like WWF wrestling than an actual debate. Bill knows that his viewer base is angry, white, uneducated males...he is just targeting that market for his show.

Although their points of view probably do correspond to what was fed us on the show, Bill works himself up like an actor. It's all just for the camera and beer swilling hillbillies.
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:00 am

oVo wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:O'Reilly isn't known to speak the truth either. :P

A trait he shares with Rush Limbaugh, while preaching to the choir anything goes.
I suppose O'Really gets away just about anything, which has included sexual harassment
because he has the cash to cover it... and brings in big bucks for his network.

He's also good at what he does; walking that fine line, teetering at the brink
of going too far without becoming a liability and just enough controversy to
keep people tuning in... regardless of facts. It helps that he is just an opinion
spewer and as such doesn't have to be honest or truthful. His agenda is simple
just like Limbaugh, cash in.


That makes him different from other pundits? Are you and chang coming with the vitriol because these two dudes are successful at it?
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby chang50 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:01 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
oVo wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:O'Reilly isn't known to speak the truth either. :P

A trait he shares with Rush Limbaugh, while preaching to the choir anything goes.
I suppose O'Really gets away just about anything, which has included sexual harassment
because he has the cash to cover it... and brings in big bucks for his network.

He's also good at what he does; walking that fine line, teetering at the brink
of going too far without becoming a liability and just enough controversy to
keep people tuning in... regardless of facts. It helps that he is just an opinion
spewer and as such doesn't have to be honest or truthful. His agenda is simple
just like Limbaugh, cash in.


That makes him different from other pundits? Are you and chang coming with the vitriol because these two dudes are successful at it?


O'Reilly wouldn't be tolerated on British tv as a serious news pundit,one outburst like that would finish him.
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:13 pm

chang50 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
oVo wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:O'Reilly isn't known to speak the truth either. :P

A trait he shares with Rush Limbaugh, while preaching to the choir anything goes.
I suppose O'Really gets away just about anything, which has included sexual harassment
because he has the cash to cover it... and brings in big bucks for his network.

He's also good at what he does; walking that fine line, teetering at the brink
of going too far without becoming a liability and just enough controversy to
keep people tuning in... regardless of facts. It helps that he is just an opinion
spewer and as such doesn't have to be honest or truthful. His agenda is simple
just like Limbaugh, cash in.


That makes him different from other pundits? Are you and chang coming with the vitriol because these two dudes are successful at it?


O'Reilly wouldn't be tolerated on British tv as a serious news pundit,one outburst like that would finish him.


Assuming that reaction would be true, I have trouble separating the fundamental/proximate causes which explain that reaction...

Whenever I'm in Europe, TV news is of higher quality. Even CNN had news which was more international--with topics involving higher stakes than CNN-US. I remember them covering the Israel excursion into Lebanon (2008?), returning to the US where CNN-US was covering some mild story about some guy who killed his wife. For real?!

Is this a reflection of consumer preferences which dislike criticism against any US/Israeli war?
Are Europeans in general more sensitive to wars?
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby Night Strike on Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:14 pm

Did anyone ever actually answer his question though? What programs has Obama supported cutting?
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:21 pm

Night Strike wrote:Did anyone ever actually answer his question though? What programs has Obama supported cutting?

I did a quick Google Search and found this: http://www.thestreet.com/story/11798889 ... fered.html

There is probably a better list somewhere, maybe even on whithouse.gov.


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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:50 pm

chang50 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
oVo wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:O'Reilly isn't known to speak the truth either. :P

A trait he shares with Rush Limbaugh, while preaching to the choir anything goes.
I suppose O'Really gets away just about anything, which has included sexual harassment
because he has the cash to cover it... and brings in big bucks for his network.

He's also good at what he does; walking that fine line, teetering at the brink
of going too far without becoming a liability and just enough controversy to
keep people tuning in... regardless of facts. It helps that he is just an opinion
spewer and as such doesn't have to be honest or truthful. His agenda is simple
just like Limbaugh, cash in.


That makes him different from other pundits? Are you and chang coming with the vitriol because these two dudes are successful at it?


O'Reilly wouldn't be tolerated on British tv as a serious news pundit,one outburst like that would finish him.


That's not really what I'm asking. You watch O'Reilly more than I do apparently (I don't watch his show at all), so you could speak to whether he would be tolerated on British television better than me. My point is that there are rude blowhards all over television (only in the U.S. apparently) but you seem to have a problem with O'Reilly. Is that because he is the most successful TV blowhard? Is Limbaugh a focus because he's the most successful radio blowhard?
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby chang50 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:45 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
chang50 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
oVo wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:O'Reilly isn't known to speak the truth either. :P

A trait he shares with Rush Limbaugh, while preaching to the choir anything goes.
I suppose O'Really gets away just about anything, which has included sexual harassment
because he has the cash to cover it... and brings in big bucks for his network.

He's also good at what he does; walking that fine line, teetering at the brink
of going too far without becoming a liability and just enough controversy to
keep people tuning in... regardless of facts. It helps that he is just an opinion
spewer and as such doesn't have to be honest or truthful. His agenda is simple
just like Limbaugh, cash in.


That makes him different from other pundits? Are you and chang coming with the vitriol because these two dudes are successful at it?


O'Reilly wouldn't be tolerated on British tv as a serious news pundit,one outburst like that would finish him.


That's not really what I'm asking. You watch O'Reilly more than I do apparently (I don't watch his show at all), so you could speak to whether he would be tolerated on British television better than me. My point is that there are rude blowhards all over television (only in the U.S. apparently) but you seem to have a problem with O'Reilly. Is that because he is the most successful TV blowhard? Is Limbaugh a focus because he's the most successful radio blowhard?


Sean Hannity,Glenn Beck,Ann Coulter,Michelle Malkin and others regularly on FNC are crazies by any standard but rarely as just plain rude and bullying as O'Reilly has been on several occasions,a quick youtube search provides a long list of examples of how he deals with people who have the temerity to disagree with him.
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:16 pm

I actually think Ann Coulter, from what I've seen, is a pretty big bully. Not sure about the rest.
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby Ray Rider on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:14 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Did anyone ever actually answer his question though? What programs has Obama supported cutting?

I did a quick Google Search and found this: http://www.thestreet.com/story/11798889 ... fered.html

There is probably a better list somewhere, maybe even on whithouse.gov.


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I just went to that website and summed up all the savings listed there and it comes to $1.137 billion. On a 2012 deficit of $1,100 billion. That's a 0.1% savings. Enough said.
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Re: O'Reilly bullies guest

Postby Gillipig on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:24 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
chang50 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
oVo wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:O'Reilly isn't known to speak the truth either. :P

A trait he shares with Rush Limbaugh, while preaching to the choir anything goes.
I suppose O'Really gets away just about anything, which has included sexual harassment
because he has the cash to cover it... and brings in big bucks for his network.

He's also good at what he does; walking that fine line, teetering at the brink
of going too far without becoming a liability and just enough controversy to
keep people tuning in... regardless of facts. It helps that he is just an opinion
spewer and as such doesn't have to be honest or truthful. His agenda is simple
just like Limbaugh, cash in.


That makes him different from other pundits? Are you and chang coming with the vitriol because these two dudes are successful at it?


O'Reilly wouldn't be tolerated on British tv as a serious news pundit,one outburst like that would finish him.


Assuming that reaction would be true, I have trouble separating the fundamental/proximate causes which explain that reaction...

Whenever I'm in Europe, TV news is of higher quality. Even CNN had news which was more international--with topics involving higher stakes than CNN-US. I remember them covering the Israel excursion into Lebanon (2008?), returning to the US where CNN-US was covering some mild story about some guy who killed his wife. For real?!

Is this a reflection of consumer preferences which dislike criticism against any US/Israeli war?
Are Europeans in general more sensitive to wars?

Can you really blame us? We've been in more than a few wars over the years lol.
But it's gone a little too far. I can't watch swedish tv news anymore because it's only about wars. They should throw in some murder stories every once in awhile to lighten it up a bit :).


@ the topic at hand:
Michelle Malkin can say whatever she likes because no one cares about what comes out of her mouth, she's a hottie and that's why she's on tv.

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