Canada has no respect for baseball.

[Evil Semp]

Winning 9-3, eliminating the other team and start the 9th with a bunt single?



Seriously?

Why is that disrespectful to baseball? A 6 runs is not insurmountable lead. If the losing team is still going to try to score runs why shouldn't the team that is leading try to score more runs. This box score shows it isn't impossible to catch up and make a game out of it.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 5170.shtml

And you sr. don't know baseball.[/qoute]

On the contrary sir. It is you who doesn't know baseball if you think a 6 run lead can't be over come.

???

So you know more than ex-professional players? Because those think (as well as anyone who knows about baseball) that it was classless.

You do get it was a BUNT single? I'm not saying they could not score more runs, I'm talking about the way.

This is my last post on this matter, it's obvious that those who are responding to it don't know what I'm talking about.

Yes I do know what a bunt single is. I would expect a professional ball player to give his best shot at getting on base at anytime during the game. So if a bunt isn't OK what about a walk? I think if he got on base and caught your team with their pants down shame on them. They were expecting him to swing away at the ball and not bunt. Sleeping on the job I say.

[nietzsche]

Winning 9-3, eliminating the other team and start the 9th with a bunt single?



Seriously?

Why is that disrespectful to baseball? A 6 runs is not insurmountable lead. If the losing team is still going to try to score runs why shouldn't the team that is leading try to score more runs. This box score shows it isn't impossible to catch up and make a game out of it.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 5170.shtml

And you sr. don't know baseball.[/qoute]

On the contrary sir. It is you who doesn't know baseball if you think a 6 run lead can't be over come.

???

So you know more than ex-professional players? Because those think (as well as anyone who knows about baseball) that it was classless.

You do get it was a BUNT single? I'm not saying they could not score more runs, I'm talking about the way.

This is my last post on this matter, it's obvious that those who are responding to it don't know what I'm talking about.

Yes I do know what a bunt single is. I would expect a professional ball player to give his best shot at getting on base at anytime during the game. So if a bunt isn't OK what about a walk? I think if he got on base and caught your team with their pants down shame on them. They were expecting him to swing away at the ball and not bunt. Sleeping on the job I say.

Now you are just speaking out of spite. You can expect all you want. You clearly don't know what I'm talking about and are hurt because I put you in evidence.

"I would expect a professional ball player to give his best". You've been reading so many Kiron's and xianwang's posts that you are adopting the same rethoric, answering only because you cannot accept defeat.

If you knew what you are talking about you argument had more substance to it. For instance, keith does know what I'm talking about and he has a counterpoint, the pitcher failing 3 times at hitting the batter, which is not necesarily because he couldn't hit him, but because he was not sure he had to, but the catcher insisted until he did.

That bunt single is disrespectul of baseball, bunt singles are excellent to get in base when you are fast, when they are playing too deep or when a pitcher is doing great, you have to take him out of comfort zone, but there are unwritten rules in baseball, and these are respected because it's the spirit of the sport.

Focus on Kiron and xianwang please.

[nietzsche]

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And for some reason I'm still waiting to hear BBS' market/opportunity-cost long analysis to give up and concede.

[Evil Semp]

Now you are just speaking out of spite. You can expect all you want. You clearly don't know what I'm talking about and are hurt because I put you in evidence.

"I would expect a professional ball player to give his best". You've been reading so many Kiron's and xianwang's posts that you are adopting the same rethoric, answering only because you cannot accept defeat.

If you knew what you are talking about you argument had more substance to it. For instance, keith does know what I'm talking about and he has a counterpoint, the pitcher failing 3 times at hitting the batter, which is not necesarily because he couldn't hit him, but because he was not sure he had to, but the catcher insisted until he did.

That bunt single is disrespectul of baseball, bunt singles are excellent to get in base when you are fast, when they are playing too deep or when a pitcher is doing great, you have to take him out of comfort zone, but there are unwritten rules in baseball, and these are respected because it's the spirit of the sport.

Focus on Kiron and xianwang please.

Expecting someone who is getting paid to preform his job means I don't understand? In the context of going for a bunt single with a 6 run lead it only means you and I disagree. I understand what the spirit of the sport is but I do not agree that in this instance the violated that spirit.

[Lootifer]

Can someone explain the situation to a sport loving, but baseball ignorant, person please?

(ps Cricket RULES! We just played for 5 days (actually 4 cause one day was rained out) and resulted in a draw! BOOM)

[isaiah40]

Some of you are missing the point here. In the WBC, if there is a tie, then the team with the most runs scored wins. Hence the bunt single attempt. Canada had to get more runs if they were to move on up.

[Army of GOD]

Can someone explain the situation to a sport loving, but baseball ignorant, person please?

(ps Cricket RULES! We just played for 5 days (actually 4 cause one day was rained out) and resulted in a draw! BOOM)

So baseball has "unwritten rules" where if you break them, pitchers throw at batters on the other team (usually the best guy).

Like, for example, if someone was to slide into a fielder dangerously and they hurt the fielder, there's a good chance the next time either that batter is up he'll get beaned. I didn't watch the game but I guess the dealio during this game was that Canada tried to get a bunt single (a bunt is where you put the bat perpindicular-wise and try to tap the ball and then try to outrun the throw to first) when the score was already 9-3 and in the 9th (final) inning. In my American, somewhat unbiased opinion I believe Mexico was in the right because bunt singles up 6 is a bit over the top. A 6 run comeback in the final inning isn't unheard of but it's pretty damn rare.

The whole point of the pitcher throwing at the guy is to send a message saying "seriously, f*ck you". And because getting hit with a 90 mile an hour fastball hurts, tempers will probably flare.

[chang50]

Can someone explain the situation to a sport loving, but baseball ignorant, person please?

(ps Cricket RULES! We just played for 5 days (actually 4 cause one day was rained out) and resulted in a draw! BOOM)

But you really should have won with your first innings lead..you could sure use a Hadlee now..

[Lootifer]

Yeah, but bear in mind we are quite terrible at cricket, especially in the test arena.

The pitch was dead; so it was likely always going to be a draw, England scoring 156 in their first innings added a bit of spice, but our bowlers were nbever going to be good enough to do it twice in a row (or more accurately England were unlikely to fail so hard twice in a row).

Also cheers AoG. I think I get it now. We have a similar thing in Cricket (not so much anymore) where batters were expected to walk in good faith if they knew they were out but the umpire didnt give them out; however with it becoming increasingly professional and competitive those days are pretty much over (and we have technology to makle sure most umpiring decisions are correct). However if you are a douche and bowl beamers (like being beaned) all day you can expect a lot worse when it is your turn to bat. Also cricket is awesome for sledging (where the fielders mock the shit out of the batter to put him off his game - fat jokes, mum jokes, its all open season) - you get sledged a lot more if you are a dick (ie not a traditional gentlemen cricketer).

[nietzsche]

Can someone explain the situation to a sport loving, but baseball ignorant, person please?

(ps Cricket RULES! We just played for 5 days (actually 4 cause one day was rained out) and resulted in a draw! BOOM)

What AoG said.

The most common reasons to hit a batter are

-if they are stealing your signals
-if they hurt someone in your team in a slide
-if they hit your best batter because he's batting the ball very well

Some pitchers like Clemens used to hit a batter when they are too close to the plate. This is not necessarily ok, and afterwards the other team would hit someone and then you'd had the fights. The last season Cole Hamels beaned Bryce Harper only because he was playing aggressive, but Harper was playing aggressively good, not hurting anyone. That was not well seen. I don't remember if they did but Washington had the right to hit someone from Philladelphia, Last season too, someone from the Brewers I think collided at the plate with Yadier Molina, but arrived with the shoulder first, which was not cool because the catcher is just there waiting, risking his body, Yadier was badly hurt and in the next turn, the batter received his beaning. He knew tho, that it was well deserved and advanced to first without saying anything.

In this particular game, Canada was eliminating Mexico, the way the game was going it was not really a possibility for Mexico to tie, as Canada had ended up with their spirit in the 7th and 8th, scoring more runs, and the hearth of the line-up for Mexico had passed. So Mexico was down, the moral down, and Canada starts the 9th with a bunt single. This is not the same as if they had hit single and then used a sacrifice bunt to advance the runner and the sacrifice bunt was so good that it had turned into an infield hit.

That was not cool, and Canada players knew it. Whatever the tiebreaker is, the game of baseball is beyond the particular rules of the tournament. The Canadian batter should've just taken the hit, perhaps exchange a few words with the pitcher and that's that.


Yadier Molina's collision:


Hamels hits Bryce Harper

(Check out the comments)

[nietzsche]

Some of you are missing the point here. In the WBC, if there is a tie, then the team with the most runs scored wins. Hence the bunt single attempt. Canada had to get more runs if they were to move on up.

Ok.

Let's address this. The odds for Canada to qualify using the run differential were slim. USA had to lose to Italy (very unlikely, in the end the score was 6-2 I believe) and then beat Canada. The real way Canada had to advance was beating the US. That's what they needed to think of.

Assuming they wanted to make 5 runs to Mexico, they needed to swing the bat. Because they should know starting with a bunt it's classless. They need to respect the other team and players above all.

Ok, they got the bunt single, now they are getting beaned, assuming that point of view, that they would do anything for runs, wouldn't that be sweet? Two men on no outs?

I repeat, if Canada wanted to advance, they needed to focus in beating USA.

[nietzsche]

Now you are just speaking out of spite. You can expect all you want. You clearly don't know what I'm talking about and are hurt because I put you in evidence.

"I would expect a professional ball player to give his best". You've been reading so many Kiron's and xianwang's posts that you are adopting the same rethoric, answering only because you cannot accept defeat.

If you knew what you are talking about you argument had more substance to it. For instance, keith does know what I'm talking about and he has a counterpoint, the pitcher failing 3 times at hitting the batter, which is not necesarily because he couldn't hit him, but because he was not sure he had to, but the catcher insisted until he did.

That bunt single is disrespectul of baseball, bunt singles are excellent to get in base when you are fast, when they are playing too deep or when a pitcher is doing great, you have to take him out of comfort zone, but there are unwritten rules in baseball, and these are respected because it's the spirit of the sport.

Focus on Kiron and xianwang please.

Expecting someone who is getting paid to preform his job means I don't understand? In the context of going for a bunt single with a 6 run lead it only means you and I disagree. I understand what the spirit of the sport is but I do not agree that in this instance the violated that spirit.

Give up dude. You have no clue. Take your general knowledge and apply it somewhere else. Baseball is a tradition with it's rules and unwritten rules going on for decades.

[nietzsche]

Sweet. I hadn't seen these gifs:

Cruz tells the pitcher to bean the next batter after picking up the bunt:


The pitcher beans the batter after 2 close pitches and being warned by the umpire


Fight:




now vids:

[Army of GOD]

Also cheers AoG. I think I get it now. We have a similar thing in Cricket (not so much anymore) where batters were expected to walk in good faith if they knew they were out but the umpire didnt give them out; however with it becoming increasingly professional and competitive those days are pretty much over (and we have technology to makle sure most umpiring decisions are correct). However if you are a douche and bowl beamers (like being beaned) all day you can expect a lot worse when it is your turn to bat. Also cricket is awesome for sledging (where the fielders mock the shit out of the batter to put him off his game - fat jokes, mum jokes, its all open season) - you get sledged a lot more if you are a dick (ie not a traditional gentlemen cricketer).

haha this reminds me of BASEketball.

[AndyDufresne]

The real question in this discussion, guys, is who was on first?




--Andy

[Sackett58]

As Whitey Herzog used to say, "Why should we stop stealing when they are still hitting homeruns".

[thegreekdog]

I fucking love baseball.

I cheered loudly (albeit in my home) when Hamels hit Harper.

[Timminz]

As a Canadian, it's true. I have very little respect for baseball.

If that was me, I would have tried to punch the beaner guy who beans(?), too.

It makes me laugh (and respect the sport even less) to suggest that hitting the ball too softly is unforgivable, while intentionally attempting to injure someone with it is perfectly acceptable.

[Army of GOD]

As a Canadian, it's true. I have very little respect for baseball.

If that was me, I would have tried to punch the beaner guy who beans(?), too.

It makes me laugh (and respect the sport even less) to suggest that hitting the ball too softly is unforgivable, while intentionally attempting to injure someone with it is perfectly acceptable.

There's no attempt to injure when throwing at a batter. You're either just trying to scare them or hit them in the back/hip really hard.

[nietzsche]

I fucking love baseball.

I cheered loudly (albeit in my home) when Hamels hit Harper.

Why?

[Army of GOD]

I fucking love baseball.

I cheered loudly (albeit in my home) when Hamels hit Harper.

Why?

That's a clown question, bro.

[nietzsche]

I fucking love baseball.

I cheered loudly (albeit in my home) when Hamels hit Harper.

Why?

That's a clown question, bro.

Why?

[thegreekdog]

I fucking love baseball.

I cheered loudly (albeit in my home) when Hamels hit Harper.

Why?

Harper is a punk.

[Lootifer]

I love the classic response when the canadian dude gets hit, all white man thug swagger "Oh its like that is it, ok you little spanish punk, im a coming for you"

[nietzsche]

Kiron and Xiangwang are CLEARED.