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Re: Americans too dumb for democracy - SF Chronicle

Postby john9blue on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:38 pm

Lootifer wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Lootifer wrote:Hey why did pragmatism lose? *missing something*


Let’s say a politician comes up with an ingenious plan that would ensure universal health care while decreasing health care costs.


It may seem implicit within the above quote. I think that's where sax is going with that.


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I'ma have a look-see at this and the article. Good post!

The Krugar-Dunning effect has been around for a while; unfortunately whenever you use it, people burn you at the proverbial Ad Hominem stake.


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Re: Americans too dumb for democracy - SF Chronicle

Postby Lootifer on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:45 pm

Are you arguing it doesnt exist or that it does and people (including myself) just dont understand its meaning/origin/details/etc properly?
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Re: Americans too dumb for democracy - SF Chronicle

Postby oVo on Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:44 am

What pocket calculators did for math skills years ago
the internet has done for memory retention.

Of course TELEVISION addiction turns brains to mush
and magnifies attention deficit immeasurably.
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Re: Americans too dumb for democracy - SF Chronicle

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:02 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:People have gotten a LOT more stupid with the advent of the internet.

Libraries educated. The internet just lets people confirm their pre-held bias'

Haha. If the internet has made anyone stupider its because they were stupid to begin with.

The internet has made me far more proficient at my job than it otherwise would be.

No. Always before there was a fundamental basis of truth, an acceptance by all but a few outliers that certain standards of verification were important and valid.

Now, all that is gone by the wayside with Google. When people have to dig through 20 pages to find something that actually disagrees with their views, it gives the illusion that they have been reasonably informed, have verified, despite the fact that all they have verified is that there are plenty of stupid websites pretending to provide truth with little validity behind it.


As always, this is just cultural progress lagging behind the technological progress. People will learn how to judge whether an internet source is valid like they learned not to take emails from Nigerian princes seriously.


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Re: Americans too dumb for democracy - SF Chronicle

Postby thegreekdog on Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:41 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:People have gotten a LOT more stupid with the advent of the internet.

Libraries educated. The internet just lets people confirm their pre-held bias'

Haha. If the internet has made anyone stupider its because they were stupid to begin with.

The internet has made me far more proficient at my job than it otherwise would be.

No. Always before there was a fundamental basis of truth, an acceptance by all but a few outliers that certain standards of verification were important and valid.

Now, all that is gone by the wayside with Google. When people have to dig through 20 pages to find something that actually disagrees with their views, it gives the illusion that they have been reasonably informed, have verified, despite the fact that all they have verified is that there are plenty of stupid websites pretending to provide truth with little validity behind it.


As always, this is just cultural progress lagging behind the technological progress. People will learn how to judge whether an internet source is valid like they learned not to take emails from Nigerian princes seriously.


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Re: Americans too dumb for democracy - SF Chronicle

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:43 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:People have gotten a LOT more stupid with the advent of the internet.

Libraries educated. The internet just lets people confirm their pre-held bias'

Haha. If the internet has made anyone stupider its because they were stupid to begin with.

The internet has made me far more proficient at my job than it otherwise would be.

No. Always before there was a fundamental basis of truth, an acceptance by all but a few outliers that certain standards of verification were important and valid.

Now, all that is gone by the wayside with Google. When people have to dig through 20 pages to find something that actually disagrees with their views, it gives the illusion that they have been reasonably informed, have verified, despite the fact that all they have verified is that there are plenty of stupid websites pretending to provide truth with little validity behind it.


As always, this is just cultural progress lagging behind the technological progress. People will learn how to judge whether an internet source is valid like they learned not to take emails from Nigerian princes seriously.


Wait... what's this now?


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Re: Americans too dumb for democracy - SF Chronicle

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:10 pm

Who would've known that Charles Taylor would sink so low.
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Postby 2dimes on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:22 pm

If we can't trust Chuck Taylor, who can we trust?
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Re: Americans too dumb for democracy - SF Chronicle

Postby john9blue on Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:00 am

Lootifer wrote:Are you arguing it doesnt exist or that it does and people (including myself) just dont understand its meaning/origin/details/etc properly?


it exists to some extent in everyone.

most people who diagnose it are displaying it themselves with the diagnosis. ironic and irritating at the same time.
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