Margaret Thatcher answers the communists/Obama idiots

[Phatscotty]

So because the ducks are still being fed by children, and families go outside of their home for a walk....that is the hallmark of how you can tell if we are hellhole or not? I wonder if your same standard applies in Ecuador, where Exxon raped and pillaged the earth and polluted the land and abused the people so tragically and flooded woodland area with oil waste. "Well, children are feeding ducks, and families are taking walks, so everything is okay!"

Your example shows the unacceptable face of capitalism , something that Mrs Thatcher was often accused of , seems your 3 month vacation did little to clear your head

except, we aren't discussing capitalism............we are discussing feeding the ducks being the barometer of whether a place is a hellhole or not

I can see you haven't changed much either (no offense to the subject getting changed)

[Frigidus]

The Ten Commandments. Dressing and acting like a man. Believing that killing unborn children is immoral. Not believing I have a right to take from someone else because they have more than I do (stealing). We have no business sending in women to fight our wars for us. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

In short_ everything you oppose.

And the ditch gets deeper. Well, let's dig in.

The Ten Commandments.

Do you feel that those that aren't of an Abrahamic faith are capable of being moral people? If so, then why define the Ten Commandments as the end all be all of morality?

Dressing and acting like a man.

Define dressing like a man. Fashion of the day is a constantly moving target, so I'm not sure what you mean. Do you hate guys that wear skinny jeans or something? If you're referring to people who cross dress, then I have a couple more questions. One, how often do you actually run across a cross dresser in public? Cross dressers are such a miniscule minority of people that bringing them up seems pointless when you're trying to describe society at large. Two, what do you think should be done to alleviate this issue? Do you think dress codes should be legislated nationally to outlaw this?

As for acting like a man, I couldn't begin to imagine what you're referring to. Are you referring to gay people? Gender equality?

Believing that killing unborn children is immoral.

A lot of people do believe that abortion is wrong, but you will never convince everyone it is murder. As much as you'd love to be able to paint in broad black and white strokes it is one of the more complex philosophical issues at the forefront of politics.

Not believing I have a right to take from someone else because they have more than I do (stealing).

I have a challenge for you. Describe a system in which the individual is able to both avoid all taxation and something is in place that prevents people from stealing from you in a more traditional manner. To date I haven't heard of one (that isn't rife with glaring problems). Ultimately a certain amount of taxes are necessary, and the only question is how much and in what ways the individual should be taxed. Using yet another blanket statement to say that all taxation is theft doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Really I'm just sick of the idea that less government is good in 100% of cases. It isn't. You need to argue case by case. Stop using such broad strokes.

We have no business sending in women to fight our wars for us.

It isn't as if we're dragging them out of their homes and throwing them in boot camp. Women have been volunteering to join the military in their respective countries. Surely someone as dedicated to individual liberty as yourself wouldn't be opposed to allowing them this opportunity?

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

You have every right to feel that way, just as someone who is opposed to interracial or interfaith marriages have the right to disagreement. That said, religion should not dictate what our government does. We are not a theocracy, and there is no good reason (and I'm still hesitant to call it a good reason) beyond religious disagreement to be opposed to homosexuality.

[notyou2]

Premio, is the following of Jesus one of your traditional values?

[BigBallinStalin]

Not believing I have a right to take from someone else because they have more than I do (stealing).

I have a challenge for you. Describe a system in which the individual is able to both avoid all taxation and something is in place that prevents people from stealing from you in a more traditional manner. To date I haven't heard of one (that isn't rife with glaring problems). Ultimately a certain amount of taxes are necessary, and the only question is how much and in what ways the individual should be taxed. Using yet another blanket statement to say that all taxation is theft doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Really I'm just sick of the idea that less government is good in 100% of cases. It isn't. You need to argue case by case. Stop using such broad strokes.

Question:

What do you believe in the optimal amount of government spending to private spending in the economy? 20%? 40%? 60%? 80%?

[Lootifer]

Premio, is the following of Jesus one of your traditional values?

ITS A TARP!

[Lootifer]

Not believing I have a right to take from someone else because they have more than I do (stealing).

I have a challenge for you. Describe a system in which the individual is able to both avoid all taxation and something is in place that prevents people from stealing from you in a more traditional manner. To date I haven't heard of one (that isn't rife with glaring problems). Ultimately a certain amount of taxes are necessary, and the only question is how much and in what ways the individual should be taxed. Using yet another blanket statement to say that all taxation is theft doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Really I'm just sick of the idea that less government is good in 100% of cases. It isn't. You need to argue case by case. Stop using such broad strokes.

Question:

What do you believe in the optimal amount of government spending to private spending in the economy? 20%? 40%? 60%? 80%?

Whatever it* costs. You of all people should know this question is unknowable BBS

* it being, imo, the list of things that i see as rights for every individual (equal quality education for all children, etc).

[comic boy]

So because the ducks are still being fed by children, and families go outside of their home for a walk....that is the hallmark of how you can tell if we are hellhole or not? I wonder if your same standard applies in Ecuador, where Exxon raped and pillaged the earth and polluted the land and abused the people so tragically and flooded woodland area with oil waste. "Well, children are feeding ducks, and families are taking walks, so everything is okay!"

Its quite simple , Britain has its problems but to describe it as a hellhole is ridiculous. If you want to defend that description its fine by me , every social indicator ever published would mock your position

The usual bullying.... You should know by now that I am not afraid of being mocked, your threats mean nothing to me. It actually allows me to speak what I believe, rather than just what everyone else believes.

That being said, I don't know much about Britain, I've never been there. Some things I have heard about though is the crime is through the roof, specifically in the realm of burglary, sexual assault and rape, and battery. I also hear, certainly in London that Sharia Law is being taught in the schools, so there's also that to look forward to. I wonder who will win the battle when it's Sharia Law vs. Gay Marriage. I wonder how that ends up.

What I'm getting at is while Britain is a hellhole or not, or anywhere is a hellhole or not, a hellhole needs to be prevented. To walk around saying "we are not a hellhole now" is not any evidence that you won't be in the near future.

And one thing I know for sure is that Thatchy-Poo's opponents always gave her credit for doing a good job, so she must have done something right.

You really need to follow the thread ;
1) The OP stated that Britain Is a hellhole not that it might become one, your point is moot.
2) Hearsay is as often as not simply the blind leading the blind . Shariah law may possibly be taught ( as part of Islamic studies) in certain faith schools , these schools constitute a very small minority indeed ...so whats your point ?
3) Mrs Thatcher did quite a lot right , have you even read my posts , but she was/is given very little credit by her opponents , hence the recent demonisation...do try and at least make some effort to follow the plot

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Dressing and acting like a man.

Define dressing like a man. Fashion of the day is a constantly moving target, so I'm not sure what you mean. Do you hate guys that wear skinny jeans or something? If you're referring to people who cross dress, then I have a couple more questions. One, how often do you actually run across a cross dresser in public? Cross dressers are such a miniscule minority of people that bringing them up seems pointless when you're trying to describe society at large. Two, what do you think should be done to alleviate this issue? Do you think dress codes should be legislated nationally to outlaw this?

As for acting like a man, I couldn't begin to imagine what you're referring to. Are you referring to gay people? Gender equality?

He obviously means that any man without a giant all-natural Amish beard is a heathen.

Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

It's the LAW.

[BigBallinStalin]

Not believing I have a right to take from someone else because they have more than I do (stealing).

I have a challenge for you. Describe a system in which the individual is able to both avoid all taxation and something is in place that prevents people from stealing from you in a more traditional manner. To date I haven't heard of one (that isn't rife with glaring problems). Ultimately a certain amount of taxes are necessary, and the only question is how much and in what ways the individual should be taxed. Using yet another blanket statement to say that all taxation is theft doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Really I'm just sick of the idea that less government is good in 100% of cases. It isn't. You need to argue case by case. Stop using such broad strokes.

Question:

What do you believe in the optimal amount of government spending to private spending in the economy? 20%? 40%? 60%? 80%?

Whatever it* costs. You of all people should know this question is unknowable BBS

* it being, imo, the list of things that i see as rights for every individual (equal quality education for all children, etc).

Hey, ballpark figures are fine with me. Just wanted to see where people stand on this.

"Whatever it costs?" For example, if someone says, "100%," then that would be relatively easy to argue against. The 5%-60% is where the fun is at, so it's knowable in that sense.

[Phatscotty]

One thing I know for sure, is that wherever the % is, the greedy call will always be the same...."MORE!"

no matter how much they say they need, it will never be enough to satisfy such a monsterous hunger for money and an unquenchable thirst for power and control

[Dukasaur]

Were you dressed as a man or a woman?

Like a man, of course!

[ooge]

Were you dressed as a man or a woman?

Like a man, of course!

[ooge]

Thatcher expanded what the opposition calls"socialized medicine" and increased the amount pensioners "social security" receive. Reagan passed the largest middle class tax increase to fund social security. Obama passes a health care law based on a conservative idea from the heritage foundation an idea republicans supported until Obama supported it. Who is the so called socialist again?

England had been on a socialist agenda many years before Thatcher got there. She merely tried to stem the slide into what is now a hellhole. There is not a politician in this world anyone would agree with 100% but the danger now even in the United States is full blown socialism with the government telling us what we can and cannot eat, at what temperature we must set our thermostats, and with Obomacare, government agents deciding who is worthy to receive healthcare with their own death panels. My political perspective would be more along the lines with Ron Paul but I certainly don't agree with everything he believes either.

The Democratic party is the greatest threat to individual liberty in the United States today.

I just went for a walk , children were feeding the ducks and geese in the pond on the common , families were walking their dogs in the woods , the pub gardens were full of people enjoying a pint in the sunshine.....this is your definition of a hellhole
If you are actually interested in educating yourself , as opposed to perpetrating myths that confirm your bias , then mark the words of one who actually experienced the events personally and indeed voted for Mrs Thatcher in two General Elections.
Thatcher was a strong leader but very much a politician of her time, her policies addressed certain problems but she was too much of a popularist in retrospect , long term social consequencies were ignored or ill considered.
Politics has always been circular , Thatcher was popular in England because the pendulum had swung too far to the left , Obama was elected because Bush took the USA too far to the right.
When Thatcher went the Labour governments that followed were pretty much centre of the road , just as the Obama administration is today in the USA . To conclude that either was or is very left wing simply demonstrates extreme political bias rather than sober analytical judgement.

Were you dressed as a man or a woman? What seems "normal" to you is where we are at today. I can fully understand why you despise those with traditional moral values. You would fit right in with the "centre" of the Democratic Party and President Obama.

Next I will hear a story about fema death caps explain traditional moral values?

The Ten Commandments. Dressing and acting like a man. Believing that killing unborn children is immoral. Not believing I have a right to take from someone else because they have more than I do (stealing). We have no business sending in women to fight our wars for us. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

In short_ everything you oppose.

Thank you for answering the question and confirming what you just posted is the threat to individuals liberty. example who are you to say a woman can not serve her country ,a person who wants to deny her freedom.example thinking grey haired politicians are more knowledgeable than a doctor and women in deciding her health. Your belief structure threatens Americans individual liberty's as confirmed by what you posted. really do not make it so easy I already posted that Reagan and Thatcher were more socialist than Obama,with facts.

[thegreekdog]

Next I will hear a story about fema death caps explain traditional moral values? and Democrats threatening individual liberty? I am curios to see how you connect these two.

Where do I get a fema death cap?

[ooge]

Next I will hear a story about fema death caps explain traditional moral values? and Democrats threatening individual liberty? I am curios to see how you connect these two.

Where do I get a fema death cap?

at the Fema death 'camp' store of course, you will find it next to a bottle on the shelf that turns you into a Communist when you drink it.