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Animal Stupidity

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:17 am

I'm going to maintain here a list of articles and papers that discuss the stupidity and inferiority of non-human animals.

First paper:
Can fish really feel pain?

Abstract: (emphasis mine)
We review studies claiming that fish feel pain and find deficiencies in the methods used for pain identification, particularly for distinguishing unconscious detection of injurious stimuli (nociception) from conscious pain. Results were also frequently misinterpreted and not replicable, so claims that fish feel pain remain unsubstantiated. Comparable problems exist in studies of invertebrates. In contrast, an extensive literature involving surgeries with fishes shows normal feeding and activity immediately or soon after surgery. C fiber nociceptors, the most prevalent type in mammals and responsible for excruciating pain in humans, are rare in teleosts and absent in elasmobranchs studied to date. A-delta nociceptors, not yet found in elasmobranchs, but relatively common in teleosts, likely serve rapid, less noxious injury signaling, triggering escape and avoidance responses. Clearly, fishes have survived well without the full range of nociception typical of humans or other mammals, a circumstance according well with the absence of the specialized cortical regions necessary for pain in humans. We evaluate recent claims for consciousness in fishes, but find these claims lack adequate supporting evidence, neurological feasibility, or the likelihood that consciousness would be adaptive. Even if fishes were conscious, it is unwarranted to assume that they possess a human-like capacity for pain. Overall, the behavioral and neurobiological evidence reviewed shows fish responses to nociceptive stimuli are limited and fishes are unlikely to experience pain.


In sum, it seems like those people boiling and then eating fish alive* are onto something. They are extracting maximum enjoyment from a thing which likely cannot experience conscious pain.

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Re: Animal Stupidity

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:16 am

In reverence to Mets' preference utlitarianism, it appears that fish are... 'off the hook'.


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Re: Animal Stupidity

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:25 am

Matt Ridley: When ideas have sex

t TEDGlobal 2010, author Matt Ridley shows how, throughout history, the engine of human progress has been the meeting and mating of ideas to make new ideas. It's not important how clever individuals are, he says; what really matters is how smart the collective brain is.


He comments on how the apes/chimps/primates fail in exchanging ideas.
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