Bradley Manning's Sentence

[PLAYER57832]

>>The materials that Private Manning gave to WikiLeaks included a video taken during an American helicopter attack in Baghdad in 2007 in which civilians were killed, including two journalists. He also gave WikiLeaks some 250,000 diplomatic cables, dossiers of detainees being imprisoned without trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and hundreds of thousands of incident reports from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. <<

so he was sentence to 35 years prison, because he reveal ,how US army killing civilians???? Unbelievable,, instead that all people who cover all this war crimes, be arrested and put on trial, they arrested Maning,, only because he show to all people ,how US handle with Civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And US say that China are undemocratic country.

Your criticism of the US is partly just, but your comparison to China is not.

The US may fall short of the dream of freedom, but China never even made the claim to true freedom.

The REAL problem in the US is not that Manning was sentenced, it was that most people here really could care less. I forget who said it, but its proving true something like the US will never be taken by force, but may be given over through apathy. For our system to work, PEOPLE have to be involved... and do more than just claim that anything "the gov'ment -[erp]" does is wrong. People have to recognize that THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT.

That is what makes a democracy.

[oVo]

In it's current state, the United States is a Corporate Democracy
as wealthy entities and industry hold sway over all political and
policy decisions of government.

The two party system is absurd as it has become nothing more
than two cheeks of the same ass.

[Qwert]

In it's current state, the United States is a Corporate Democracy
as wealthy entities and industry hold sway over all political and
policy decisions of government.

The two party system is absurd as it has become nothing more
than two cheeks of the same ass.

yes, china are undemocratic country because its 1 party rule, but US are democracy because have only 2 party rule, but they are same, no change at all.

[AndyDufresne]

I like to think that every morning qwert wakes up and shakes his fit west, towards the United States.


--Andy

[Qwert]

I like to think that every morning qwert wakes up and shakes his fit west, towards the United States.


--Andy

nope i wake every morning, and think " what Andy comment on mine post now?"

[BigBallinStalin]

>>The materials that Private Manning gave to WikiLeaks included a video taken during an American helicopter attack in Baghdad in 2007 in which civilians were killed, including two journalists. He also gave WikiLeaks some 250,000 diplomatic cables, dossiers of detainees being imprisoned without trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and hundreds of thousands of incident reports from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. <<

so he was sentence to 35 years prison, because he reveal ,how US army killing civilians???? Unbelievable,, instead that all people who cover all this war crimes, be arrested and put on trial, they arrested Maning,, only because he show to all people ,how US handle with Civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And US say that China are undemocratic country.

Your criticism of the US is partly just, but your comparison to China is not.

The US may fall short of the dream of freedom, but China never even made the claim to true freedom.

The REAL problem in the US is not that Manning was sentenced, it was that most people here really could care less. I forget who said it, but its proving true something like the US will never be taken by force, but may be given over through apathy. For our system to work, PEOPLE have to be involved... and do more than just claim that anything "the gov'ment -[erp]" does is wrong. People have to recognize that THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT.

That is what makes a democracy.

If so many people are not that involved in political participation, then we can conclude that (1) they value all other goods/activities more, and/or (2) the value of political participation is not high enough to offset the opportunity costs for more valuable activities--e.g. (1).

So, if we lower the value of (1), then at some point, political participation would increase, but demolishing all other goods isn't a good idea, so the answer lies in (2).

How do people value (2)? How do you make it more valuable to them?

One way:
If one raises the stakes and brings it closer to their own hometowns (i.e. greater decentralization), then I'd expect an increase in the value of political participation since matters at home matter more than obscure matters such as "the Economy." In other words, if one can exert more direct control over their environment via the political process, then greater decentralization could entice greater participation.

[BigBallinStalin]

I like to think that every morning qwert wakes up and shakes his fit west, towards the United States.


--Andy

Great imagery, Andy!

[oVo]

Something else to consider, 1971... The Pentagon Papers
and Daniel Ellsberg.

The truth about the Vietnam War and the impeachment proceedings
that lead to President Richard Nixon's resignation.