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Remembrance Sunday

Postby laughingcavalier on Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:50 pm

Seeing as I disgraced myself on this topic in general discussion some years back...
Will anyone be marking the day this year?
I went last year to Croydon where my son was parading with cadets - and more formed units in the parade also - and was much affected. I had been planning to watch Oli briefly and retire to the shops. My long-held beliefs tell me that I am disgusted by the militarisation of UK society that I have seen slowly develop through the long low intensity wars in Iraq, Afghanistan... Yet last year I was so impacted I stayed and snuck into the back of the service - watching families of Primark-clad women and shiny-dressed children arriving, wondering if they were here for menfolk serving or menfolk dead, it struck me that in market towns and out-of-the-way places all up and down the country people were recognising their own families' sacrifice and the personal loss. The pomp of soldierly uniform and mayoral address that I saw, the dehumanising impact of military ritual that I had so long denigrated - well, perhaps these gave form to the feelings of the poor families I watched, maybe for some short hours it took their experience - their suffering? - from liminal space into the mainstream.
This year I look, and for all last year there were some hundreds marchers in my South London outpost, and they outnumbered by watchers, for Croydon remembrance there is no google result will tell me what time I should ask my family to assemble and watch. And now my son saying he wants to join the military, and his mother thinking how does she learn she cannot say no to his growing wish, and myself less certain with each passing day of paternal confidence that my 15-year old will tire of his wish to fly fast jets before his life choices are truly made. How can there be such a vital and impactful event so soon to be made flesh in my community and the internet tells me nothing of it?
We here gather round - it is one hundred years in 2014 since the Great War began, and in my country there is a swelling of noise as the discourse coheres around that. For us it it the epochal moment where we name suffering and devotion to country without the rancour of today's politics entering ... but I know, because I make my living from selling the futures of anniversaries, that this national feel does not reach worldwide, that in North America, the Great War is a footnote, that in Europe there are still wounds that dismember us even from such a distant date.
I am a man who has in the past worn white poppies at this time in the year to hold out for peace, and now this year, when I'm the same age my grandfather was when he landed with marines on a Pacific atoll, telling it afterwards as a story humourous about himself and inordinately respectful to those who landed with him, I know it this year is the first time I have planned where I will be standing, and where I will go on to join a service, and how I will bring my family there, and so just wondering, does this mean anything, easy or difficult, to any of you and what will you be doing?
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Re: Remembrance Sunday

Postby BoganGod on Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:07 pm

Remembrance day is monday here. The 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month. 1minute silence. I've recently rejoined the local brass band after a 22year hiatus travelling the world and working. We will be playing at the local returned service man's club, at the ceremony. No march as any surviving veterans of the great war are pretty unstable on their pins. The club is in a small - medium rural town. We expect a turn out of 300+ people. I've served overseas with the armed forces so whether the wars were right or wrong, reckon support the veterans.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday

Postby _sabotage_ on Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:16 pm

I have mad respect for people who stand up for others and what they believe in...

I just don't believe in the things they do. As for your son, God help him. If not just for the things he may end up doing, being a part of or what may happen to him, but also for his life after service.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday

Postby mrswdk on Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:17 pm

In China, November 11th is Singles Day. On Singles Day the shops hold enormous sales so that single people can calm their angst with some binge shopping. Other places hold events designed to help people find that special someone (speed dating etc.). It's noisy, bright and lots of fun!

I personally find Remembrance Day a little dull. It gives some of the sadder Tory radicals a chance to bleat about sacrifice and honour (like it's still 1915 or something) and hold impromptu 'I started wearing my poppy first' competitions, and in general has become a little bit of an excuse to be jingoistic for a week or two.

For an event that is timed to mark the anniversary WW1 drawing to a close, it doesn't seem to dwell very heavily on the lessons of the Great War any more.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:58 pm

I can't type much about Remembrance Sunday, but I can identity my younger self with your son. I was fascinated--and still am, to a smaller degree--about war, with its tactics, difficult decision-making, and equipment, but as Erasmus once said, "War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it."

Encourage him to learn more about war and the military. Try to get him to understand his very low chances of becoming a jet fighter and his greater chances of doing an extremely dull military job for four years, when instead he could've been doing something that (a) pays better, (b) is more fulfilling, and (c) what not.

If money is an issue, (and if the UK military pays for one's college education or grants extra-ordinary benefits), then it's a more difficult decision. Regardless, the best thing to do is to encourage him to discover what he's actually wants to get into--before he signs up (of course).
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Re: Remembrance Sunday

Postby mrswdk on Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:52 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:I can't type much about Remembrance Sunday, but I can identity my younger self with your son. I was fascinated--and still am, to a smaller degree--about war, with its tactics, difficult decision-making, and equipment, but as Erasmus once said, "War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it."

Encourage him to learn more about war and the military. Try to get him to understand his very low chances of becoming a jet fighter and his greater chances of doing an extremely dull military job for four years, when instead he could've been doing something that (a) pays better, (b) is more fulfilling, and (c) what not.

If money is an issue, (and if the UK military pays for one's college education or grants extra-ordinary benefits), then it's a more difficult decision. Regardless, the best thing to do is to encourage him to discover what he's actually wants to get into--before he signs up (of course).


Of course, this logic also (to varying degrees) applies to jobs such as doctor, lawyer, politician, CEO, spy, chef, professional athlete, banker etc., and other aspirations such as attending an elite university or fitting 30 grapes into one's mouth. Careful not to crush mandem's ambition.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:41 am

Sure, it's like assuming that after graduating from med school, you'll have higher chances of becoming a janitor at a hospital. Herp derp.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday

Postby mrswdk on Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:32 am

Not much difference between a med school grad's chances of becoming a doctor and a flight school grad's chances of becoming a pilot.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday

Postby khazalid on Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:14 am

lovely post LC.

personally i find the white poppy to be pretty disingenuous, but I don't suppose we need to get into that here...

this year, as with most others, i will say a little prayer and watch some of 'the world at war'.

if you haven't seen it, please consider it essential viewing!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4bd_1264726972
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Re: Remembrance Sunday

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:48 pm

I was very close to attending West Point and I do have some regrets that I did not attend (mostly because I lacked discipline until I started actually working and would like to have served my country in some capacity). That being said, I think glorification of warfare is something that should be considered and is hard to consider when one is 15 years old.

As for the rest, well put. We have Veterans Day on 11/11.

khazalid wrote:this year, as with most others, i will say a little prayer and watch some of 'the world at war'.

if you haven't seen it, please consider it essential viewing!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4bd_1264726972


Outstanding documentary. I watched a number of episodes in college as part of a World War Two class, but have not seen the whole thing.
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