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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby mrswdk on Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:39 am

patches70 wrote:
mrswdk wrote:Not to mention the way that the Ukrainian president has been strong-arming business owners out of their companies so that his family can jump in and take over, which is abuse of power on a scale that the Med countries have yet to sink to.



Oh yeah, that's been happening. Hahah, the current president lives in a mansion but has never held a salary of over (equivilent) of $2,000 a month.

Hahahahaha!


Much like how China's last prime minister drew an official salary of about $15,000 a year and yet somehow managed to amass a family wealth of about $1.3b!
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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby mrswdk on Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:46 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Interesting.

What do you think of saxitoxin's summary?


It has its merits. I don't understand why the US/EU have been supporting protesters who broke into government buildings and illegally occupied them.

That said, neither Putin nor Yanukovych have been playing at all fair, so it's hardly surprising that ordinary people in Ukraine feel like pawns in someone else's game.
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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:13 am

patches70 wrote:What's really funny is that the US State department put out a statement saying the Russia recording a private conversation was a "New low in Russian tradecraft". Hahahahahah! How many private conversations does the NSA record every single day?
And since when is spying on foreign diplomats somehow a new low?

What's not so funny is the US' continued efforts to undermine and overthrow democratically elected governments.

It is humorous that the EU wants the Ukrainian president to resign because he is confronted with street protests. Ha! If the EU member nations held to that same model for themselves then neither Rajoy nor Samaras would be in power today. They didn't resign in the face of massive protests, but call on the Ukraine president to?

The deal with the EU wasn't just a trade deal, Ukraine would have had to make a lot of concessions not related to trade at all. It was just a bad deal outright and Russia offered a better one. Plus $15 billion...

The EU and the US were outraged and sputtered in indignation. Hilarity ensues.


I was thinking the same thing listening to the radio today. Vai Sikahema (one of our local sports reporters) is in Sochi and was talking about the last press conference where the Russian minister of whatever said that reporters should shop moving their showerheads so that the water hits the walls. Someone asked, "How do you know we do that?" The Russian czar of whatever responded, "No more questions at this time." In any event, the radio show hosts expressed outrage. I said to my radio, "Dudes... your government is doing pretty much the same thing... morons."
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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:31 pm

This doesn't have anything to do with the topic of this thread, I just though it was well-written.

When hotel magnate George Tsunis, Obama’s nominee for [ambassador to] Oslo, met with the Senate last month, he made clear that he didn’t know that Norway was a constitutional monarchy and wrongly stated that one of the ruling coalition political parties was a hate-spewing “fringe element.” Another of the president’s picks, Colleen Bell, who is headed to Budapest, could not answer questions about the United States’ strategic interests in Hungary. But could the president really expect that she’d be an expert on the region? Her previous gig was as a producer for the TV soap opera The Bold and the Beautiful.

For the purposes of comparison, Norway’s ambassador to the Washington is a 31-year Foreign Ministry veteran. Hungary’s ambassador is an economist who worked at the International Monetary Fund for 27 years.

The resumé imbalance, of course, owes to a simple fact: The United States is the only industrialized country to award diplomatic posts as political spoils, often to wealthy campaign contributors in an outmoded system that rivals the patronage practices of banana republics, dictatorships and two-bit monarchies. A similar system once allowed political allies to become military officers, but Congress outlawed the practice after the Civil War, during which the public recoiled at the needless slaughter brought on by incompetent cronies who had been appointed generals (men like Daniel Sickles, whose insubordination at Gettysburg caused more than 4,000 Union casualties). Representing the United States in a foreign capital, however, is a privilege still available to any moneyed dolt with party connections.

Among the ambassadors serving in 10 of the choicest cities in Europe and the Caribbean, the average amount raised per posting in the last election was $1.79 million, according to the Guardian newspaper. And the cost for a plush post in a city like Rome, Paris, Stockholm or Canberra seems to be going up. The Guardian reported that appointees to these embassies raised a total of $5 million in 2012, up from $3.3 million in 2008, $1.3 million in 2004 and $800,000 in 2000.

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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby betiko on Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:04 pm

Huh, watched the news in france and I was shocked how they treated this. The big news was that this lady of yours told the EU to go f*ck itself. Then they showed fat angela telling some german gibberish that sounded like "that cunt just told us to go f*ck ourselves!"
Nothing about american ingerance in the ukranian democracy.

GO KLITCH!!
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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby patches70 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:34 pm

mrswdk wrote:
patches70 wrote:
mrswdk wrote:Not to mention the way that the Ukrainian president has been strong-arming business owners out of their companies so that his family can jump in and take over, which is abuse of power on a scale that the Med countries have yet to sink to.



Oh yeah, that's been happening. Hahah, the current president lives in a mansion but has never held a salary of over (equivilent) of $2,000 a month.

Hahahahaha!


Much like how China's last prime minister drew an official salary of about $15,000 a year and yet somehow managed to amass a family wealth of about $1.3b!



Oh, it's the same way everywhere when it comes to government officials with but very few exceptions. Even in the US (get elected to Congress and you can be virtually assured of leaving as a millionaire).

Hell, in the US we toss a Martha Stewart in prison for insider trading, we should be investigating every member of Congress for the exact same thing!
That's what happens when you got the foxes guarding the henhouse, a hell of a lot of dead chickens.....
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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby Fruitcake on Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:03 am

mrswdk wrote:Not to mention the way that the Ukrainian president has been strong-arming business owners out of their companies so that his family can jump in and take over, which is abuse of power on a scale that the Med countries have yet to sink to.


Yer avin a larf aintcha....
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Postby 2dimes on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:18 am

Mmmmmm chicken.
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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:16 pm

BREAKING NEWS!

I needed saxitoxin's input but he isn't around, so I will just post this myself.

It turns out Ukraine isn't the only country rejecting the EU.

The Gaugazians have voted 98% for Russia and against the EU!!!!

The only problem is that Conquer Club doesn't recognize Gagauzia as a country, only Moldova.

As we speak right now, American diplomats are talking about who to put into power in Gagauzia.

However, the Russians passed a law that states Moldovans can't drink wine (or something like that). That basically means full-blown warfare.

We need a rapid deployment of consular officials in the newly recognized state of Gasguzz.

Then, we can hit them with heavy CC sanctions, to punish them for their democratic decision.
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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:24 pm

BeatYoshi, the street reporter says that the Gagauzians (he calls them Gasguzzlers) are rejecting the EU for "being the USSR".
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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:29 pm

President Obama dodged a question about whether France has replaced Britain as the closest ally of the United States by comparing the two nations to his daughters, Malia and Sasha.

"I have two daughters and they are both gorgeous and wonderful and I would never choose between them — and that's how I feel about my outstanding European partners," Obama said. "All of them are wonderful in their own ways."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-com ... m=referral


So who is America's best girl? Britain, France, Belgium, Denmark, or some other little country?
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Re: how your presidents and prime ministers are chosen

Postby betiko on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:38 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
President Obama dodged a question about whether France has replaced Britain as the closest ally of the United States by comparing the two nations to his daughters, Malia and Sasha.

"I have two daughters and they are both gorgeous and wonderful and I would never choose between them — and that's how I feel about my outstanding European partners," Obama said. "All of them are wonderful in their own ways."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-com ... m=referral


So who is America's best girl? Britain, France, Belgium, Denmark, or some other little country?


France is clearly his sasha an d britain his malia. Germany is more like his beyoncé.
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