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Re: So, the Ukraine is trying to pull an Egypt now.

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:29 pm

GoranZ wrote:Trade between Ukraine and Russia and Ukraine and EU for 2012:
- Ukrainian exports to EU - $18.57 bil. , Ukrainian Imports from EU - $28.14 bil.
- Ukrainian exports to Russia - $16.54 bil. , Ukrainian Imports from Russia - $17.49 bil.
*Source Economy of Ukraine on Wikipedia

Quoting numbers out of context doesn't prove anything. What you need is not a snapshot of imports and exports in a given year. What you need is to show the pattern. You will need to show a graph showing the extreme fluctuations resulting from Russian manipulation of the market.

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If you had a similar graph filtering out the non-Russian numbers, you would see even more extreme fluctuation. This is the result of a deliberate policy of destabilizing the Ukrainian economy from without.
Exports in Ukraine is reported by the National Bank of Ukraine. Exports in Ukraine averaged 6829.18 USD Million from 1998 until 2013, reaching an all time high of 27253 USD Million in September of 2008 and a record low of 2481 USD Million in January of 2009. Ukraine exports mainly steel, coal, fuel and petroleum products, chemicals, machinery and transport equipment and grains like barley, corm and wheat. More than 60% of the exports goes to other former Soviet Republics countries with Russia, Kazkhstan and Belarus being the most important. Others include Turkey and China. This page provides - Ukraine Exports - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news. 2014-02-23
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/exports

GoranZ wrote:According to those official numbers Ukraine is exporting as much as it is importing from Russia, but EU is milking Ukraine a lot. Poor Ukraine exports 65% of what it is importing from EU.
Again, what matters is not the total amount, or the amount at any given time. What matters are the unusual peaks and troughs induced by the KGB's destabilization policies.

If I show you a picture of a gun, it doesn't look so terrible.
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It's only when you think about what was done with it that it becomes a frightening thing.

Now since you haven't presented any evidence of what you are claiming and since Numbers do not lie but PEOPLE DO I can freely conclude that YOU ARE LYING
BTW are you NeoNazi? I know Russians hate them a lot, so I presume NeoNazis hate Russians a lot also.

I heard Bolsheviks use ALL CAPS a lot. Are you a Bolshevik?

My anti-Nazi pedigree is clean. Both my grandfathers fought in the Resistance. My one grandfather worked in a hospital where more than 200 Resistance fighters and downed Allied pilots received covert medical treatment before being smuggled out to safety. My other grandfather did 6 months at Sachsenhausen. He was lucky; that was early in the war when tickets to Sachsenhausen were not yet one-way, and he was released in the amnesty of 1940. His brother was not so lucky; he was caught as a courier and spent almost 3 years at Terezin. He weighed 35 kilos when the war ended. You can throw Nazi mud at me all day and I will still be squeeky clean at the end of it.

For Bolshevik apologists like yourself I have no patience. Or really, I should say Muscovite, for the Tsarists were the same shit as the Bolsheviks. Moscow's idea of negotiations is this:
"Do it my way or die!"

"That's not very polite."

"Oh, did I forget my manners? Let me rephrase. Do it my way, please, or die!"
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― Voltaire
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Re: So, the Ukraine is trying to pull an Egypt now.

Postby GoranZ on Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:42 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Trade between Ukraine and Russia and Ukraine and EU for 2012:
- Ukrainian exports to EU - $18.57 bil. , Ukrainian Imports from EU - $28.14 bil.
- Ukrainian exports to Russia - $16.54 bil. , Ukrainian Imports from Russia - $17.49 bil.
*Source Economy of Ukraine on Wikipedia

Quoting numbers out of context doesn't prove anything. What you need is not a snapshot of imports and exports in a given year. What you need is to show the pattern. You will need to show a graph showing the extreme fluctuations resulting from Russian manipulation of the market.

Image
If you had a similar graph filtering out the non-Russian numbers, you would see even more extreme fluctuation. This is the result of a deliberate policy of destabilizing the Ukrainian economy from without.
Exports in Ukraine is reported by the National Bank of Ukraine. Exports in Ukraine averaged 6829.18 USD Million from 1998 until 2013, reaching an all time high of 27253 USD Million in September of 2008 and a record low of 2481 USD Million in January of 2009. Ukraine exports mainly steel, coal, fuel and petroleum products, chemicals, machinery and transport equipment and grains like barley, corm and wheat. More than 60% of the exports goes to other former Soviet Republics countries with Russia, Kazkhstan and Belarus being the most important. Others include Turkey and China. This page provides - Ukraine Exports - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news. 2014-02-23
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/exports

GoranZ wrote:According to those official numbers Ukraine is exporting as much as it is importing from Russia, but EU is milking Ukraine a lot. Poor Ukraine exports 65% of what it is importing from EU.
Again, what matters is not the total amount, or the amount at any given time. What matters are the unusual peaks and troughs induced by the KGB's destabilization policies.

I couldn't stop laughing when I saw your graph... Russia is second largest economical partner to Ukraine, so those picks can come from everywhere.

Same site, Ukrainian imports(compared there is analogy between the exports and imports)
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http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/imports

Now lets see Russian exports, there are a lot of picks also, KGB might be involved in sabotages.
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http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/exports

Just for fun lets see German exports... bloody KGB fingers are even in Germany, they made peaks everywhere :lol:
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http://www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/exports

Conclusion: Monthly trade means nothing, but yearly trade is another matter. But regardless of everything the fact that EU is milking Ukraine every year is undisputed. Every year they take $10 bil. from Ukraine, every single year. On the other hand Ukrainian-Russian trade is almost balanced.

Dukasaur wrote:If I show you a picture of a gun, it doesn't look so terrible.
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It's only when you think about what was done with it that it becomes a frightening thing.

I bet you shit in your pants when you hear or read word KGB... so you have similar gun like that one.

Dukasaur wrote:
Now since you haven't presented any evidence of what you are claiming and since Numbers do not lie but PEOPLE DO I can freely conclude that YOU ARE LYING
BTW are you NeoNazi? I know Russians hate them a lot, so I presume NeoNazis hate Russians a lot also.

I heard Bolsheviks use ALL CAPS a lot. Are you a Bolshevik?

Nope, EU skeptic... I don't think that EU leaded by Germany and France, especially France, can be considered more then continuation of their dreams to dominate in Europe(but that is different topic).

Dukasaur wrote:For Bolshevik apologists like yourself I have no patience. Or really, I should say Muscovite, for the Tsarists were the same shit as the Bolsheviks. Moscow's idea of negotiations is this:
"Do it my way or die!"

"That's not very polite."

"Oh, did I forget my manners? Let me rephrase. Do it my way, please, or die!"

Ironically but if there were no Bolsheviks you would have spoken Nazi German now... at best Vichy French. Tho I must admit that British and Americans helped a lot also :)
Even a little kid knows whats the name of my country... http://youtu.be/XFxjy7f9RpY

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Re: So, the Ukraine is trying to pull an Egypt now.

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:05 pm

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That begs the question: PhatScotty, since you support the Tea Party; why do you listen to hip hop?


Mostly because I appreciate fine art; but it could be indoctrination from Jimmy Fallon too


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Re: So, the Ukraine is trying to pull an Egypt now.

Postby mrswdk on Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:55 am

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