Kurt Cobain

[BigBallinStalin]

An accidental overdose cannot be counted as a suicide.

well, if you consider that people know that:
1) drugs are not good for health
2) quantities vary the effects and the dangerosity
3) quality has influence on the dangerosity

even if you're not at you full thinking capacity, if you go OD you are probably at a point where you don't give a flying f*ck about your body, and you are perfectly aware that you are killing yourself slowly. This is like playing russian roulette and losing. You're gonna tell me that it's not suicide in case you lose playing russian roulette? so why is it different from trying out insane amount of drugs over a short period of time?

Or... you died because the quality control of drugs is hampered by state prohibitions. Under such conditions, overdosing does not indicate that one intended to commit suicide. If you died from an accidental OD from alcohol during the 1920s US (e.g. rat poison was in your alcohol), we shouldn't automatically conclude that you wanted to kill yourself, right?

[BigBallinStalin]

lol, k.

What about people who eat lots of McDonald's and then have a heart attack?

Betikocally, yes.

[betiko]

lol, k.

What about people who eat lots of McDonald's and then have a heart attack?

Betikocally, yes.

Well you are responsible of your own actions if no one forced you to do it.
If you know that the alcohol you were drinking under the prohibition was potentially extremely dangerous and potentially lethal, you took the gamble with your life, so you accepted to eventually die from your own actions. This is like fucking over and over an HIV positive girl with no condom, you were really asking for it.

This should be bigballically approved, but because of it s betikallity you will not admit I m right.

[BigBallinStalin]

lol, k.

What about people who eat lots of McDonald's and then have a heart attack?

Betikocally, yes.

Well you are responsible of your own actions if no one forced you to do it.
If you know that the alcohol you were drinking under the prohibition was potentially extremely dangerous and potentially lethal, you took the gamble with your life, so you accepted to eventually die from your own actions. This is like fucking over and over an HIV positive girl with no condom, you were really asking for it.

This should be bigballically approved, but because of it s betikallity you will not admit I m right.

Actually, you don't know the exact chances, nor even have a ballpark figure in some cases. One can easily conclude that a drug is safe after using it many times. It can only take one bad batch to kill you. The odds aren't similar to Russian Roullete (1/6 versus 1/?????).

And if we take your position consistently, then drivers have accepted to eventually die from driving. That doesn't follow.

Finally, you're overlooking the main point: You listed a bunch of reasons as to why you disagree with mrsdwk's statement: "An accidental overdose cannot be counted as a suicide." It still remains true that overdosing does not indicate that one intended to commit suicide.

[betiko]

lol, k.

What about people who eat lots of McDonald's and then have a heart attack?

Betikocally, yes.

Well you are responsible of your own actions if no one forced you to do it.
If you know that the alcohol you were drinking under the prohibition was potentially extremely dangerous and potentially lethal, you took the gamble with your life, so you accepted to eventually die from your own actions. This is like fucking over and over an HIV positive girl with no condom, you were really asking for it.

This should be bigballically approved, but because of it s betikallity you will not admit I m right.

Actually, you don't know the exact chances, nor even have a ballpark figure in some cases. One can easily conclude that a drug is safe after using it many times. It can only take one bad batch to kill you. The odds aren't similar to Russian Roullete (1/6 versus 1/?????).

And if we take your position consistently, then drivers have accepted to eventually die from driving. That doesn't follow.

Finally, you're overlooking the main point: You listed a bunch of reasons as to why you disagree with mrsdwk's statement: "An accidental overdose cannot be counted as a suicide." It still remains true that overdosing does not indicate that one intended to commit suicide.

ok, given that some overdoses are intended suicides; how can we prove which ones are and which ones aren't?
also you are talking about 1/6 being suicidal odds. what is the mark between gambling and suiciding? is that mark equal for all humans?

[BigBallinStalin]

As outside observers, we can't know. If we had more information--e.g. a suicide letter, previous comments about committing suicide, previous suicide attempts, then we would have greater evidence of an intended suicide. Still, if the person dies from an OD, that might not have been the way that person wanted to commit suicide.

I wouldn't consider 1/6 being suicidal. We use "suicidal" in that sense as a metaphor, but it really just means "very dangerous." Even if you disagree with my interpretation of the word, it still depends on the reasons why someone does that. Rock climbers who go without safety gear aren't trying to kill themselves; they do it because it's extremely fun. The higher risk of death is challenging and enjoyable, but it doesn't follow that they want to die. That would end the fun.

[betiko]

As outside observers, we can't know. If we had more information--e.g. a suicide letter, previous comments about committing suicide, previous suicide attempts, then we would have greater evidence of an intended suicide. Still, if the person dies from an OD, that might not have been the way that person wanted to commit suicide.

I wouldn't consider 1/6 being suicidal. We use "suicidal" in that sense as a metaphor, but it really just means "very dangerous." Even if you disagree with my interpretation of the word, it still depends on the reasons why someone does that. Rock climbers who go without safety gear aren't trying to kill themselves; they do it because it's extremely fun. The higher risk of death is challenging and enjoyable, but it doesn't follow that they want to die. That would end the fun.

Yes, there is that search for the adrenaline rush in all those cases caused by great danger. The closer you get from great danger, the greater the fun. The thing is that the more you do it, the more you are hooked up to adrenaline. For many people, it is unconceivable to have a quiet life without great deal of adrenaline rushes at the expense of life duration. As your clan name says, memento mori; you can get to chose how though.
But how to define suicide compared to live fast/die young? I guess there is a connotation of deep sorrow and incapacity to reach happiness for the first one. In that 27 club; I guess there is a bit of both... accidents and live fast/die young that went south...