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[saxitoxin]

I just watched the first one, the difference is that the guy had just been released from jail and started attacking a police station throwing glass bottles and assaulting the cops in it

nothing on earth would justify this shit here in europe. not even if the girl had just shot an officer

How are things in the Trocadéro this morning, betiko? Has your valet, Mustafa, arrived with fresh croissants aux amandes for breakfast yet?

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betiko: "Police suck!...






...except when they're French!"

[betiko]

I just watched the first one, the difference is that the guy had just been released from jail and started attacking a police station throwing glass bottles and assaulting the cops in it

nothing on earth would justify this shit here in europe. not even if the girl had just shot an officer

How are things in the Trocadéro this morning, betiko? Has your valet, Mustafa, arrived with fresh croissants aux amandes for breakfast yet?

you don't get my point: firstly, the police officers are hitting the guy on the legs and ribs, they are not severly beating his face. Secondly, these guys were taken immediately off service and I doubt they will be cops again. The context is quite different as they were assaulted by glass bottles thrown at their face by the thug, it wasn't just a wied woman ignoring them and crossing the road where she shouldn't
People like scotty have been trying to justify the american cop's action, just saying that over here only a hardcore fachist would justify the cop's action.

secondly, regarding your other videos:
-the cop beating the woman with a stick: I don't understand what is happening, there is a guy on the ground and a cop hitting her with a stick to keep her away. nothing could justify this, even if he is trying to protect the person on the ground's life, beating the woman like that is third world.
-the cops in the plane: I have no idea what is going on and there is no real beating, seems like the police is trying to extract someone from the plane that won't let it happen for whatever reason while a hippy is filming it. this is a crap, they aren't doing anything excessive.
-the cops and the united fans: the cops are there to prevent the fans from entering and the fans are pushing around the cops. as a response they charge and there is no violence excess from the cops.

you just randomly googled french police violence stuff. of course there are a lot of fachists in our police; but the police has no way as much power over citizens as they have in the US.

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[saxitoxin]

you don't get my point: firstly, the police officers are hitting the guy on the legs and ribs, they are not severly beating his face.

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Secondly, these guys were taken immediately off service and I doubt they will be cops again.

Your doubt seems unfounded.

French police have been accused of committing gross human rights violations – often against ethnic minorities – for which they are seldom brought to justice, says a new Amnesty International report. Allegations of unlawful killings, beatings, racial abuse and excessive use of force by France’s police officers are rarely investigated effectively. In 2006, from the 639 allegations of violence, only eight ended with dismissal. A high number of complaints against law enforcement officials are closed by the prosecutor without reaching trial.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-upda ... e-20090402

The context is quite different as they were assaulted by glass bottles thrown at their face by the thug

nothing on earth would justify this shit here in europe. not even if the girl had just shot an officer- betiko

FrenchScotty, is that you?

of course there are a lot of fachists in our police; but the police has no way as much power over citizens as they have in the US.

I agree that the information the French police permits you to access would be likely to lead you to the conclusion that the French police are better.

While US courts have started to make it clear that recording police on duty is perfectly legal, it appears that France is going in the opposite direction. In a recent ruling, a French court has ordered ISPs to block access to a website, which hosts videos and photos taken by citizens demonstrating police misconduct.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111 ... duct.shtml

[betiko]

-as this was on national television; I can tell you these cops are in big trouble for the rest of their career.
-the contextualisation wasn't my point; my point was the level of violence between the two scenes that has nothing to do, and "nothing on earth would justify this shit here in europe. not even if the girl had just shot an officer" was refering to the severe and long as hell beating in the face the american officer is inflicting to a woman on the ground that has not physically threatened him. He could have killed her there.
-no I'm not from the 16th, and I've had to deal with french police and american police for minor things. The american cops are way more agressive and take anything as a disrespect/possible threat no matter how nicely you try to talk and go much further in violence. You've got nice cops and asshole cops on both sides of the pond of course, and I'm not here to discuss the % in each country; just saying that asshole cops on your side of the pond are 10 times more transgressive, because they can, and because they are far too much protected by the law.

[saxitoxin]

-as this was on national television; I can tell you these cops are in big trouble for the rest of their career.
-the contextualisation wasn't my point; my point was the level of violence between the two scenes that has nothing to do, and "nothing on earth would justify this shit here in europe. not even if the girl had just shot an officer" was refering to the severe and long as hell beating in the face the american officer is inflicting to a woman on the ground that has not physically threatened him. He could have killed her there.
-no I'm not from the 16th, and I've had to deal with french police and american police for minor things. The american cops are way more agressive and take anything as a disrespect/possible threat no matter how nicely you try to talk and go much further in violence. You've got nice cops and asshole cops on both sides of the pond of course, and I'm not here to discuss the % in each country;

I think my previous post stands on its own without requiring I address your first two points.

In your third point you suddenly announce you've personally been physically beaten by a U.S. police officer. Sure.

I've provided a variety of mainstream reports detailing aggressive abuse with a culture of impunity among the police and gendarmerie of France, and noted the multiple Amnesty and UNHRC investigations to which France has been subject and the global reputation of the French police, and you've responded with your gut instinct that it's all wrong. Obviously this conversation isn't going well for you, but please don't start treating us with these ridiculous stories of how you've battled your way to Coney Island with the Warriors.

(I'm not defending the U.S. police in this instance, or generally; just refuting the very provincial claim that French police are one iota better. Police in the UK, yes, they are better [except for the occupied counties of Ireland]. Police in Iceland - better. Police in France or Italy? LOL. They have among the world's worst reputations. If you had been pushing these lines from any other country you'd have some authority to speak, but - from France - it just makes you look extremely provincial.)

just saying that asshole cops on your side of the pond are 10 times more transgressive, because they can, and because they are far too much protected by the law

Please provide details about the specific legal protections that are excessive in U.S.

This specific claim is noteworthy among the chaff you're firing out for the simple reason that, in popular discussion on the issue of police brutality, the criminal status of slander in civil law countries (like France and Italy) has been almost universally cited as a one of the principal enabling mechanisms that allow dirty cops to be protected; in other words, the opposite of what you just said is the consensus position. This underscores that (a) you don't know what you're talking about, (b) you're not knowledgeable about this subject, and (c) you are uninformed and unaware about the major points of debate on this issue.

That's fine, you don't have to be an expert on anything to comment on it. Just don't speak from a position of authority on things about which you're unaware.

[notyou2]

Betiko, you seem to make a lot of references to hippies, First "thugs and hippies" then "a hippie filming it".

What do you think hippies are? Are they violent? Thieves? Murderers? Rapists?

[betiko]

Saxi, no.
Given that america is a country where anyone can potentially carry guns around, police officers have much more power over citizens and any small intervention is much more stressful for them. Therefore, they react with much more violence than cops in europe. This is just pure logic.
You are talking about brit cops that don t carry guns themselves.
In france you can get away with insulting a cop if he isn t in a too bad mood and you can push his buttons much more than you can in the US, I m talking about personal experience, friend s experience, and globally any of these tv documentaries where you see cops dealing with all kind of situations. You are just googleing for the sake of winning an internet over me, because I m the founder of the secret diamond lounge and you think the platinum lounge will achieve world domination. WRONG!!

Notyou2: i have nothing against real hippies, it s just so that people like scotty who might see me as a dangerous ultra liberal communist understands that the standards are not the same everywhere, and if there are people I can call "hippies" he will just be mindblown.

[saxitoxin]

Saxi, no.
Given that america is a country where anyone can potentially carry guns around, police officers have much more power over citizens and any small intervention is much more stressful for them. Therefore, they react with much more violence than cops in europe. This is just pure logic.
You are talking about brit cops that don t carry guns themselves.
In france you can get away with insulting a cop if he isn t in a too bad mood and you can push his buttons much more than you can in the US, I m talking about personal experience, friend s experience, and globally any of these tv documentaries where you see cops dealing with all kind of situations. You are just googleing for the sake of winning an internet over me, because I m the founder of the secret diamond lounge and you think the platinum lounge will achieve world domination. WRONG!!

Notyou2: i have nothing against real hippies, it s just so that people like scotty who might see me as a dangerous ultra liberal communist understands that the standards are not the same everywhere, and if there are people I can call "hippies" he will just be mindblown.

Betiko - I'm sorry I didn't read what you wrote as you clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I skimmed it for a link or something on the off-chance that you are starting to explore this topic and advance a learned opinion, but seeing none, I just skipped it as everything you've presented so far is just the rambling of your imagination.

I've been kind enough to point you to actual documentation detailing the consensus view of the world as to the barbarous state of the French police so you can, hopefully, enlighten yourself as to how the world views France. You can choose to regard or disregard it. I don't care. You know, whatever.

[notyou2]

Saxi, no.
Given that america is a country where anyone can potentially carry guns around, police officers have much more power over citizens and any small intervention is much more stressful for them. Therefore, they react with much more violence than cops in europe. This is just pure logic.
You are talking about brit cops that don t carry guns themselves.
In france you can get away with insulting a cop if he isn t in a too bad mood and you can push his buttons much more than you can in the US, I m talking about personal experience, friend s experience, and globally any of these tv documentaries where you see cops dealing with all kind of situations. You are just googleing for the sake of winning an internet over me, because I m the founder of the secret diamond lounge and you think the platinum lounge will achieve world domination. WRONG!!

Notyou2: i have nothing against real hippies, it s just so that people like scotty who might see me as a dangerous ultra liberal communist understands that the standards are not the same everywhere, and if there are people I can call "hippies" he will just be mindblown.

Ahh....hippie is your code word for Roma apparently.