Despite a new leader, North Korea's leader is still nuts.

[muy_thaiguy]

http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-condu ... 12327.html

Even China is getting mad at them.

[kentington]

The test was conducted in a safe and perfect way on a high level, with the use of a smaller and light A-bomb, unlike the previous ones, yet with great explosive power

Right, safe.

[AndyDufresne]

Atomic Bombs are very safe! I mean, check out the tests we did in the cold war:

U.S. Explodes Atomic Bombs Near Beers To See If They Are Safe To Drink


--Andy

[ManBungalow]

Yahoo news sucks.

[kentington]

Atomic Bombs are very safe! I mean, check out the tests we did in the cold war:

U.S. Explodes Atomic Bombs Near Beers To See If They Are Safe To Drink


--Andy

Got it. To be safe from Atomic blast enclose yourself in a glass bottle or metal can. After the blast ignore the fallout and find the nearest beer, as long as it is not near beer.

[BigBallinStalin]

So, holding a nuclear test makes a country/its executive/its government crazy?

I guess the US, France, UK, Germany, Russia, Israel, blah blahb alhblj are all crazy.

President Barack Obama, who was scheduled to give a State of the Union address later Tuesday, said nuclear tests "do not make North Korea more secure."

But we know that's just rhetoric. Having nuclear weapons makes a country very secure. If Saddam had nuclear weapons, the US wouldn't have invaded them... twice.

[muy_thaiguy]

So, holding a nuclear test makes a country/its executive/its government crazy?

I guess the US, France, UK, Germany, Russia, Israel, blah blahb alhblj are all crazy.

President Barack Obama, who was scheduled to give a State of the Union address later Tuesday, said nuclear tests "do not make North Korea more secure."

But we know that's just rhetoric. Having nuclear weapons makes a country very secure. If Saddam had nuclear weapons, the US wouldn't have invaded them... twice.

What makes them crazy is that they are doing this despite repeated warnings, even from their closest ally China (who seems to be at their wits end with them).

Not to mention they are putting all of their resources into making highly destructive weapons, rather than try to establish some srt of dependable food source of a literally starving population.

[AndyDufresne]

So, holding a nuclear test makes a country/its executive/its government crazy?

I guess the US, France, UK, Germany, Russia, Israel, blah blahb alhblj are all crazy.

President Barack Obama, who was scheduled to give a State of the Union address later Tuesday, said nuclear tests "do not make North Korea more secure."

But we know that's just rhetoric. Having nuclear weapons makes a country very secure. If Saddam had nuclear weapons, the US wouldn't have invaded them... twice.

What makes them crazy is that they are doing this despite repeated warnings, even from their closest ally China (who seems to be at their wits end with them).

Seems to be, but isn't. As the NYTimes reports:

But if Mr. Xi took the measures against North Korea that the United States wants, Chinese and American analysts say, Mr. Xi would risk destabilizing North Korea, spurring its collapse and pushing the creation of a unified Korean Peninsula that could well turn out to be an American ally. An American-controlled Korean Peninsula is not an option for Mr. Xi, the analysts agree.

...

Despite the increasing concern in some quarters about North Korea’s wayward behavior, that dread of losing a buffer still prevails among China’s most influential policy makers, particularly in the military, according to Jia Qingguo, a professor at the School of International Studies at Beijing University who is a proponent of a new policy toward North Korea.

“It’s better than before, but it is still difficult to overcome” the mind-set, he said. “A lot of people are taking the very old-fashioned belief that North Korea is a strategic buffer, and they still believe American invaders would march over North Korea to come to China.”

...

“The traditionalists in the People’s Liberation Army and the International Liaison Department of the Communist Party control North Korea policy,” she [Stephanie Kleine-Ahlbrandt, North East Asia director and China adviser for the International Crisis Group in Beijing] said. “The political relationship between China and North Korea right now is at a low point, but China’s longstanding priorities on the Korean Peninsula of no war, no instability and no nukes remain in that order of priority.”

They don't want to push too hard, and make Korea a unified nation and allied with the US it seems.


--Andy

[muy_thaiguy]

Didn't say China was going to abandon them, just getting extremely frustrated with them.

[BigBallinStalin]

So, holding a nuclear test makes a country/its executive/its government crazy?

I guess the US, France, UK, Germany, Russia, Israel, blah blahb alhblj are all crazy.

President Barack Obama, who was scheduled to give a State of the Union address later Tuesday, said nuclear tests "do not make North Korea more secure."

But we know that's just rhetoric. Having nuclear weapons makes a country very secure. If Saddam had nuclear weapons, the US wouldn't have invaded them... twice.

What makes them crazy is that they are doing this despite repeated warnings, even from their closest ally China (who seems to be at their wits end with them).

Not to mention they are putting all of their resources into making highly destructive weapons, rather than try to establish some srt of dependable food source of a literally starving population.

I don't approve of their economic policies either, but who cares if the UN tells you to remain defenseless--especially when you have about 30,000 American troops and the entire South Korean armed forces at your gates. Investing in nuclear weapons and testing makes sense.

China tells them to stop, but that's more of a half-assed attempt to distance themselves from NK.

[kentington]

So, holding a nuclear test makes a country/its executive/its government crazy?

I guess the US, France, UK, Germany, Russia, Israel, blah blahb alhblj are all crazy.

President Barack Obama, who was scheduled to give a State of the Union address later Tuesday, said nuclear tests "do not make North Korea more secure."

But we know that's just rhetoric. Having nuclear weapons makes a country very secure. If Saddam had nuclear weapons, the US wouldn't have invaded them... twice.

What makes them crazy is that they are doing this despite repeated warnings, even from their closest ally China (who seems to be at their wits end with them).

Not to mention they are putting all of their resources into making highly destructive weapons, rather than try to establish some srt of dependable food source of a literally starving population.

I don't approve of their economic policies either, but who cares if the UN tells you to remain defenseless--especially when you have about 30,000 American troops and the entire South Korean armed forces at your gates. Investing in nuclear weapons and testing makes sense.

China tells them to stop, but that's more of a half-assed attempt to distance themselves from NK.

If I was a country I would arm myself, especially if someone told me not to.

It would be more crazy if they started testing explosives and weapons on their own people.

[nietzsche]

So NATO can test their bombs as often as they like, but if another country does it they are nuts.

[skychaser]

Hahahah. Those chinese North Korean bitches are total wacko.

[muy_thaiguy]

So, holding a nuclear test makes a country/its executive/its government crazy?

I guess the US, France, UK, Germany, Russia, Israel, blah blahb alhblj are all crazy.

President Barack Obama, who was scheduled to give a State of the Union address later Tuesday, said nuclear tests "do not make North Korea more secure."

But we know that's just rhetoric. Having nuclear weapons makes a country very secure. If Saddam had nuclear weapons, the US wouldn't have invaded them... twice.

What makes them crazy is that they are doing this despite repeated warnings, even from their closest ally China (who seems to be at their wits end with them).

Not to mention they are putting all of their resources into making highly destructive weapons, rather than try to establish some srt of dependable food source of a literally starving population.

I don't approve of their economic policies either, but who cares if the UN tells you to remain defenseless--especially when you have about 30,000 American troops and the entire South Korean armed forces at your gates. Investing in nuclear weapons and testing makes sense.

China tells them to stop, but that's more of a half-assed attempt to distance themselves from NK.

And North Korea having one of the largest armies in the world has nothing to do with it, right? Hardly defenseless, plus the Kim Jung family have a reputation for hating Japan, the West in general, and wanting to subjugate the South like the North is.

[thegreekdog]

And North Korea having one of the largest armies in the world has nothing to do with it, right? Hardly defenseless, plus the Kim Jung family have a reputation for hating Japan, the West in general, and wanting to subjugate the South like the North is.

This question is not meant to be dickish, but why do you care if North Korea wants to subjugate South Korea? To ask it a different way, why do you care about South Korea and don't care about African countries (for example)?

[muy_thaiguy]

And North Korea having one of the largest armies in the world has nothing to do with it, right? Hardly defenseless, plus the Kim Jung family have a reputation for hating Japan, the West in general, and wanting to subjugate the South like the North is.

This question is not meant to be dickish, but why do you care if North Korea wants to subjugate South Korea? To ask it a different way, why do you care about South Korea and don't care about African countries (for example)?

It's not that I don't, but we have had troops in South Korea to protect them from the North longer than most African countries have been out of the whole European colony thing. Not to mention the war never officially ended and both sides are well aware of that. Hence, no-man's land in between the two countries.

Do I want things to settle with the unstable/oppresent African countries to improve their people's plights? Yes. And I consider the dictators over there, especially the ones that are all about killing one group or another for whatever reason, to be just as batshit crazy as Kim Jung Un and his father. Some, possibly more so and probably a very good thing they don't have China overlooking them and supplying them with the ingredients for nuclear weapons. Unfortunetly, aside from a few newsbites, you don't hear too much about these countries, except for 1st hand experience, which depending on where they come from, can be either a decent place to live, or a living hell.

[thegreekdog]

And North Korea having one of the largest armies in the world has nothing to do with it, right? Hardly defenseless, plus the Kim Jung family have a reputation for hating Japan, the West in general, and wanting to subjugate the South like the North is.

This question is not meant to be dickish, but why do you care if North Korea wants to subjugate South Korea? To ask it a different way, why do you care about South Korea and don't care about African countries (for example)?

It's not that I don't, but we have had troops in South Korea to protect them from the North longer than most African countries have been out of the whole European colony thing. Not to mention the war never officially ended and both sides are well aware of that. Hence, no-man's land in between the two countries.

Do I want things to settle with the unstable/oppresent African countries to improve their people's plights? Yes. And I consider the dictators over there, especially the ones that are all about killing one group or another for whatever reason, to be just as batshit crazy as Kim Jung Un and his father. Some, possibly more so and probably a very good thing they don't have China overlooking them and supplying them with the ingredients for nuclear weapons. Unfortunetly, aside from a few newsbites, you don't hear too much about these countries, except for 1st hand experience, which depending on where they come from, can be either a decent place to live, or a living hell.

My preference would be to remove all US troops from foreign countries and only take military action against those who actually attack us. Or, alternatively, if we are to be the "world's police" (as the president sort of suggested last night), we need to be the world's police everywhere, especially in places where the local boss is killing his own people who don't actually have their own army.

[BigBallinStalin]

So, holding a nuclear test makes a country/its executive/its government crazy?

I guess the US, France, UK, Germany, Russia, Israel, blah blahb alhblj are all crazy.

President Barack Obama, who was scheduled to give a State of the Union address later Tuesday, said nuclear tests "do not make North Korea more secure."

But we know that's just rhetoric. Having nuclear weapons makes a country very secure. If Saddam had nuclear weapons, the US wouldn't have invaded them... twice.

What makes them crazy is that they are doing this despite repeated warnings, even from their closest ally China (who seems to be at their wits end with them).

Not to mention they are putting all of their resources into making highly destructive weapons, rather than try to establish some srt of dependable food source of a literally starving population.

I don't approve of their economic policies either, but who cares if the UN tells you to remain defenseless--especially when you have about 30,000 American troops and the entire South Korean armed forces at your gates. Investing in nuclear weapons and testing makes sense.

China tells them to stop, but that's more of a half-assed attempt to distance themselves from NK.

And North Korea having one of the largest armies in the world has nothing to do with it, right? Hardly defenseless, plus the Kim Jung family have a reputation for hating Japan, the West in general, and wanting to subjugate the South like the North is.

And Saddam Hussein had IIRC the 5th largest army in the world in 1991. He still lost. Quantity isn't the only important characteristic. So, my points still stand.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Hardly defenseless, plus the Kim Jung family have a reputation for hating Japan, the West in general, and wanting to subjugate the South like the North is.

Just my opinion, but I think they would hate us less if we didn't continue to meddle in others' affairs that don't concern us.

-TG

[kentington]

That is one of my biggest pet peeves about the government.
They are helping countries that either don't do anything for us, hate us, or don't want the help. That is a lot of money and time wasted that could go towards fixing our problems here.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

"Helping." Right.

-TG

[muy_thaiguy]

That is one of my biggest pet peeves about the government.
They are helping countries that either don't do anything for us, hate us, or don't want the help. That is a lot of money and time wasted that could go towards fixing our problems here.

I think South Korea may be the execption though.

[AndyDufresne]

--Andy