Girl Burned Alive: The Quest for Morality in America

[Metsfanmax]

All Metsian animals are people. It is not right to kill a Metsian for food. Bears kill fish for food. Bears are murderers. This Metsian on Metsian violence must be stopped! All carnivores must be stopped! The genocide must end, but the means for ending the genocide will likely result in a famine for carnivores, so the Metsians become genocidal themselves. This can be averted by stuffing plant matter down the throats of all Metsian murderers, who should be caged for their crimes (you people will foot the bill; animals don't really pay taxes). These rehabilitated victims would prefer to live by being force-fed plant matter because as a Metsian Translator, I know these things. Trust me. The Metsian Morality is almost "universalizable."

Bears are not murderers -- they do not have the capacity to know right from wrong. That is a prerequisite for being guilty of murder. This is true for humans too, so I do not know why you should make such an outlandish claim.

Hence the story about Adam and Eve, taking a bite of the apple....oh wait, I'm guessing you never studied the deeper implications of the story based on nobody was actually there to record it, right?

Do you get all your moral lessons from fairy tales? Aesop's got some good ones, if you are interested.

[Phatscotty]

All Metsian animals are people. It is not right to kill a Metsian for food. Bears kill fish for food. Bears are murderers. This Metsian on Metsian violence must be stopped! All carnivores must be stopped! The genocide must end, but the means for ending the genocide will likely result in a famine for carnivores, so the Metsians become genocidal themselves. This can be averted by stuffing plant matter down the throats of all Metsian murderers, who should be caged for their crimes (you people will foot the bill; animals don't really pay taxes). These rehabilitated victims would prefer to live by being force-fed plant matter because as a Metsian Translator, I know these things. Trust me. The Metsian Morality is almost "universalizable."

Bears are not murderers -- they do not have the capacity to know right from wrong. That is a prerequisite for being guilty of murder. This is true for humans too, so I do not know why you should make such an outlandish claim.

Hence the story about Adam and Eve, taking a bite of the apple....oh wait, I'm guessing you never studied the deeper implications of the story based on nobody was actually there to record it, right? I think this may be a big reason for your literal insanity on this issue. And I also see how this leads into feeling guilt for every little thing, and that into the dark and empty charybdis that makes for an empty soul and any purpose in life seem elusive and mystical, but you won't actually do anything about the only thing you have total control over, so you focus your efforts on forcing everyone else into misery, and Misery loves company as you may know, or not know yet. Just remember one thing about Phatso, besides killing babies for fun.... He's the one that told you and then showed you that your life is what you make it, and even if you don't understand now that you get out what you put in, you will at some point. The sooner the better, since you respond to me more than anyone else (as in every little thing I say and do) straight up dude you can be depressing! I often wonder why I give you anytime at all, of which almost all is quality time

Do you get all your moral lessons from fairy tales? Aesop's got some good ones, if you are interested.

The moral of a story is the moral of a story. I do not subscribe or drop them based on how good or bad a story was, if a certain idea happens to be wriiten in fiction or the exact same point and idea has also played out a billions times over in fact, what's the difference? Besides, of course, getting a heads up from the fairy tale, as when the tough love of a lesson ignored happens in fact, there is no heads up, and you didn't take the time to see the possibilities, did not study the paths of those who came before you, and that's why it's gonna f*ck with you more than most others, and that's why I said your time to talk with God WILL come.

[Metsfanmax]

Slavery was legal for almost all time, before those stupid abolitionists got in the way. I think they were too hasty and ignored the lessons of their forefathers and the Bible, which clearly permits slavery.

[Phatscotty]

Slavery was legal for almost all time, before those stupid abolitionists got in the way. I think they were too hasty and ignored the lessons of their forefathers and the Bible, which clearly permits slavery.

Sinkin damn low there Mets, that's the ultimate run out the room with your ears plugged. I bet if you ever watched a TV show (not likely, since it's just make believe fake stories....) Rust Cohle would be your fav! Anyways, enjoy your state of mind in which you seem to have found the correct answer to everything, in your mid-20's, and that for sure you will never ever change your mind. As if everything that will ever happen or could happen to you in a lifetime has already happened...

[Metsfanmax]

Do you consider that a response to my argument?

[BigBallinStalin]

All Metsian animals are people. It is not right to kill a Metsian for food. Bears kill fish for food. Bears are murderers. This Metsian on Metsian violence must be stopped! All carnivores must be stopped! The genocide must end, but the means for ending the genocide will likely result in a famine for carnivores, so the Metsians become genocidal themselves. This can be averted by stuffing plant matter down the throats of all Metsian murderers, who should be caged for their crimes (you people will foot the bill; animals don't really pay taxes). These rehabilitated victims would prefer to live by being force-fed plant matter because as a Metsian Translator, I know these things. Trust me. The Metsian Morality is almost "universalizable."

Bears are not murderers -- they do not have the capacity to know right from wrong. That is a prerequisite for being guilty of murder. This is true for humans too, so I do not know why you should make such an outlandish claim.

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And how do we treat such humans, Mets? In the real world, we call such people "murderers"--even if they didn't know right from wrong. Many insane people lack a capacity to know right from wrong, but when they murder people, we still call it "murder" because it's not like "legitimate" killing slips into vulgar relativism. It's still illegitimate to go around chopping up people with an ax. Of course, if people plead the 5th, they may get a reduced sentence.

Either way, Metsianism prescribes reduced sentences and possibly therapy sessions for Metsian murderers: all carnivores--including pets. Heaven forbid if the Metsian animals stomps on the humble Metsian insect.

*Don't play the semantics game on "capacity."

[Metsfanmax]

And how do we treat such humans, Mets? In the real world, we call such people "murderers"--even if they didn't know right from wrong.

Argumentum ad populum. Yes, many people use this terminology when referring to this situation. Our moral vernacular is not quite advanced enough to do otherwise, because usually we are focusing on what happened to the victim. That does not mean that we always ought to believe the perpetrator is guilty of murder, or that if you specifically ask people what think they about this situation, that the person in question is guilty of murder.

Many insane people lack a capacity to know right from wrong, but when they murder people, we still call it "murder" because it's not like "legitimate" killing slips into vulgar relativism.

We do have terms for things like "legitimate" killing as you mean it. Manslaughter is one. Killing is another. We can say that one person killed another without using terminology such as "murder," and everyone will know that one person killed another. That term describes the causal action, but it does not describe the moral judgment of the action (like "murder" does). If you continue to call it murder even after a jury trial exonerates the person in question from murder (for example, by reason of insanity, or because it was determined that the killing was not intentional), then you are simply incorrect as a matter of empirics. Or, your moral beliefs about murder are different from that reflected in most liberal societies, in which case you should elaborate on that. Either way, as it stands this argument is weak.

Either way, Metsianism prescribes reduced sentences and possibly therapy sessions for Metsian murderers

"Metsian" murders are actual murders. In modern democracies we try to be civil people and understand that context matters. We don't give the death penalty to young children for example. Are you suggesting that we should, and that there is zero moral distinction between a nine year old killing someone and a legal adult killing someone?

[Phatscotty]

Do you consider that a response to my argument?

No, just passing along a character on TV, if you watch phony make believe stories that is, I think you'd relate to and perhaps even find to be your idol!

But I will respond to your argument. What was your argument again, oh, ok here I have it....

Slavery was legal for almost all time, before those stupid abolitionists got in the way. I think they were too hasty and ignored the lessons of their forefathers and the Bible, which clearly permits slavery.

I admit I am wrong here, and Phatscotty it right

game over!

[TheProwler]

I am sad that I missed this thread.




Can we start it over from the top so I can comment at appropriate times?