Godless European traffic lights

[waauw]

my bike ride to work is about a 10 minute commute, and i usually see at least one accident a week.

the price of freedom or something idiocy eh?

I've yet to see a pedestrian get hit by a car. In the last couple of years (since I bought my scooter), I've seen scooter/bike riders involved in collisions maybe 2/3 times.

Well don't become a garbage man. One of the deadliest professions in the USA apparently.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-dangerous-jobs/?cmpid=BBD051315

[warmonger1981]

Please Jones keep the unfunny act on stage. CC deserves better.

[Phatscotty]

Lol. You keep saying I've ignored direct evidence but I've never seen you source anything. It's all empty stats that you magically produce. Give me an actual source from a reputable journal. And again, even if you were to source a twin study, the variation in gene expression means even twins aren't exactly alike. They are only ideal because they're as close as possible, and really only work best for single loci traits and such. Human sexuality is not a single loci characteristic.

lrn2genetics

And if it's a choice, why don't you go suck a dick, see if you can choose to be attracted to it. Who knows, maybe you'll prove me wrong.

-TG

Well, I pointed it out to you a couple times already. I get that sometimes a we miss things. But honestly, if you care about the truth, just look for the study yourself. Wait, I just spent 2.2 seconds finding it...see more below

We've already had this discussion, right in the same place I posted the source from an actual journal. education, experience, behavior traits, parental examples, culture, many other things are factors.... I would not say it's a choice, I doubt I ever have said it is a choice. in short....Tis thou that mayest lick upon a willy whence.

The truth is the truth, whether or not I dig it up and show it to you for a 3rd time. and just because it's not the kind of choice you portray as in 'chicken or beef for lunch?' does not mean you go to the other extreme and call that the truth.

Oh, okay. I had an extra 60 seconds layin around, plus i'm a nice guy. sorry you seem butthurt over this. I have only ever tried to help in telling people they were being exploited and manipulated. I wasn't saying that to be a dink. Hope now you can see I was right and harbored no ill-intentions and only had true love in my heart.

Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.

Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.”

Numbers of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays

[Dukasaur]

Lol. You keep saying I've ignored direct evidence but I've never seen you source anything. It's all empty stats that you magically produce. Give me an actual source from a reputable journal. And again, even if you were to source a twin study, the variation in gene expression means even twins aren't exactly alike. They are only ideal because they're as close as possible, and really only work best for single loci traits and such. Human sexuality is not a single loci characteristic.

lrn2genetics

And if it's a choice, why don't you go suck a dick, see if you can choose to be attracted to it. Who knows, maybe you'll prove me wrong.

-TG

Well, I pointed it out to you a couple times already. I get that sometimes a we miss things. But honestly, if you care about the truth, just look for the study yourself. Wait, I just spent 2.2 seconds finding it...see more below

We've already had this discussion, right in the same place I posted the source from an actual journal. education, experience, behavior traits, parental examples, culture, many other things are factors.... I would not say it's a choice, I doubt I ever have said it is a choice. in short....Tis thou that mayest lick upon a willy whence.

The truth is the truth, whether or not I dig it up and show it to you for a 3rd time. and just because it's not the kind of choice you portray as in 'chicken or beef for lunch?' does not mean you go to the other extreme and call that the truth.

Oh, okay. I had an extra 60 seconds layin around, plus i'm a nice guy. sorry you seem butthurt over this. I have only ever tried to help in telling people they were being exploited and manipulated. I wasn't saying that to be a dink. Hope now you can see I was right and harbored no ill-intentions and only had true love in my heart.

Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.

Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.”

Numbers of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays

That's not a study. That's religious extremist Holland Davis giving his opinion of the study, (and along the way showing us his ignorance of how genomes are expressed). Link to the actual study or admit that you're just parroting evangelical nutjob propaganda.

[AndyDufresne]

Everyone, line up single file for a backmassage-centipede. If you'd like to go further, and join your body to another individual, please get in touch with oneyed, our local cornhole expert.




--Andy

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Seriously, Phats, just be honest. You have no clue what you're doing. Link to an actual study from an actual journal. Put up or shut up.

Regarding what you did post, twins are not necessarily exposed to the same natal environment. There are differences even in the womb.

Here's an excerpt from a study examining difference in linguistics between monozygotic and dizygotic twins. In mz twins (identical), there are three different scenarios regarding placental and amniotic environments. Not to mention the epigenetics involved. I'm sure doomyoshi could fill you in on that.

2. Genetic and Epigenetic Differences
2.1 Twin types
DZ twins result when two ova are fertilized by two different sperm in the same menstrual cycle.
The result is two zygotes that are, on average, genetically no more similar to one another than zygotes of
non-twin, full siblings. MZ twins, on the other hand, result when a single zygote (that originates from the
fertilization of one ovum by a single sperm) divides in two. There 3 distinct types of MZ twins, and
these differences may have genetic and perinatal environmental (see section 3) implications. MZ
gestations may be dichorionic-diamniotic (two placentas, two amniotic sacs), monochorionic-diamniotic
(one placenta, two amniotic sacs), or monochorionic-monoamniotic (one placenta, one amniotic sac).
Dichorionic-diamniotic MZ twins occur when the zygote splits during the first 3 days following
fertilization. This type of MZ twinning accounts for about 20-25% of all MZ twins. When the inner cell
mass splits after blastocyst formation but before the formation of the amniotic sac (at 8 days after
fertilization), the result is monochorionic-diamniotic MZ twins which account for about 70-75% of MZ
twins. When division occurs after the formation of the amniotic sac, but before the establishment of the
embryonic axis (at approximately 15 days after fertilization), the result is monochorionic-monoamniotic
MZ twins which account for about 1-5% of all MZ twins. (For a succinct and accessible summary of
twinning, see Redline, 2003.)
2.2 Genetic differences
Although most MZ twins are karyotypically identical, if chromosomal nondisjunction occurs just
before or at the time of twinning, MZ twins will have different karyotypes. When this happens, the MZ
twins are said to be heterokaryotic (Lejeune, 1963). Reports of heterokaryotic MZ twins in which onetwin is normal and the other is affected with Trisomy 21 (Down Sydrome) or Turner Syndrome (X0
Females) date back to at least the early 1960s (Lejeune, 1963), Another way that MZ twins may have
different genotypes is if a spontaneous mutation occurs either before or after the zygote has split. In most
cases, the MZ cotwin would be a genetic mosaic with some, but not all, of the twin’s cells exhibiting the
mutation. A very early mutation will affect a greater proportion of the cells in the fetus, and will result in
generalized mosaicism with most of the tissues affected. A mutation which occurs later (e.g., at the
blastocyst stage) will affect a smaller proportion of the cells in the fetus, and the abnormal cells may be
restricted to a certain area or tissue type (e.g., the central nervous system). When MZ splitting occurs
earlier (e.g., as in dichorionic MZ twins), there is a greater chance that MZ cotwins will have different
spontaneous mutations. Very late splitting may mean that the “handedness” of the embryo has already
been determined prior to twinning. Sommer and colleagues (2002) have argued that late splitting is
associated with MZ twins who are discordant for handedness and language lateralization. Nance (1990)
has argued that if the inner cell mass splits unequally, there will be different number of founder cells for
the two cotwins and this can result in phenotypic differences.
2.3 Epigenetic differences
Epigenetic processes refer to processes that result in alterations in gene expression that are stable,
but are not transmitted to offspring. Epigenetic processes, such as methylation and gene silencing (e.g., X
chromosome inactivation or imprinting2
) are part of normal development and cell proliferation. In
addition to playing a crucial role in early development, epigenetic processes occur throughout
development as random events or in response to environmental factors (Jaenisch & Bird, 2003).
Epigenetic processes are responsible for some cases of phenotypic discordance in MZ twins. For example,
Tsujita and colleagues (1998) compared the DNA of schizophrenia-discordant MZ twins and found two
loci that were clearly different. These differences were consistent with either differences in methylation
patterns or with a very small mutation in one of the twins. Recently, Petronis et al. (2003) compared the
5’ regulatory region of the dopamine 2 receptor gene in one pair of MZ twins who were concordant for
schizophrenia and one pair of MZ twins who were discordant for schizophrenia. They found that the
methylation patterns were more similar in the concordant twin pair than in the discordant twin pair,
suggesting that the differences in methylation patterns are (at least partially) responsible for the
phenotypic differences in MZ twins.
X-inactivation is the process in females whereby every second X chromosome in a cell is
randomly inactivated to create cellular mosaics of paternal and maternal X chromosomes. Due to its
stochastic nature, differences in X chromosome inactivation patterns are one source of phenotypic
discordance in female MZ twins. There have been cases reported of MZ female twins who are carriers for
X-linked red-green color blindness (Jorgensen et al., 1992), Duchenne muscular dystrophy (Lupski,
Garcia, Zoghbi, Hoffman, & Fenwick, 1991; Richards et al., 1990) and Fragile X syndrome (Kruyer et
al., 1994; Willemsen, Olmer, De Diego Otero, & Oostra, 200), in which one twin is affected and the other
is not. In each case, the affected twin had more inactivation of paternal than maternal X chromosomes.
Some studies have reported that non-random or skewed X chromosome inactivation patterns are more
frequent in MZ twins than in DZ twins or singletons (Goodship, Carter, & Burn, 1996; Trejo et al., 1994).
Recent findings by Fisk and colleagues (1999) suggest that X-inactivation occurs after monochorionic
twinning, which means that differential X inactivation could result in even MC cotwins being discordant
for X-linked traits.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=5idaVdLyHoH9oAT63YCwBQ&url=http://ruccs.rutgers.edu/tech_rpt/Identical_twins_TR77.pdf&ved=0CDYQFjAG&usg=AFQjCNGaquymOMdoUaaZ2iI0sSFlCtNhjA

Link is a download from rutgers study. All sorts of info on different twin types. Sorry for formatting, I'm on a phone.

-TG

[tzor]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GAY TRAFFIC LIGHT.
ALL TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE NONSEXUAL.
IN FACT THEY ARE ANTI-SOCIAL.
NOT A SINGLE TRAFFIC LIGHT HAS EVER ATTEND THE ANNUAL MEETING OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT GUILD.

My personal preference is this sign for a crossing ...

[Oneyed]

Everyone, line up single file for a backmassage-centipede. If you'd like to go further, and join your body to another individual, please get in touch with oneyed, our local cornhole expert.

--Andy

you mask your stupidity for a long time by posting short sentences without any relevant opinion or just pictures. but when you must write something relevant or something without pictures your brain is at the end. it is hard to be angry with you, you must be born such as or anything bad must happen in your life.

Oneyed

[AndyDufresne]

Everyone, line up single file for a backmassage-centipede. If you'd like to go further, and join your body to another individual, please get in touch with oneyed, our local cornhole expert.

--Andy

you mask your stupidity for a long time by posting short sentences without any relevant opinion or just pictures. but when you must write something relevant or something without pictures your brain is at the end. it is hard to be angry with you, you must be born such as or anything bad must happen in your life.

Oneyed

--Andy

[Lootifer]

Everyone, line up single file for a backmassage-centipede. If you'd like to go further, and join your body to another individual, please get in touch with oneyed, our local cornhole expert.

--Andy

you mask your stupidity for a long time by posting short sentences without any relevant opinion or just pictures. but when you must write something relevant or something without pictures your brain is at the end. it is hard to be angry with you, you must be born such as or anything bad must happen in your life.

Oneyed

I cant work out if you are a genuinely poor communicator (oooooh burn!) or you just don't grasp the English language particularly well. Either way, your post doesn't make any sense.

[Lootifer]

I guess I find the whole pedestrian lights thing weird anyway. When I was in HK during Spring Festival I witnessed people waiting next to completely empty roads because the man hadn't gone green yet. I felt kinda bad for them.

This is what freedom looks like:

Oh mate, I've never waited for a green light in all my life; I do find the little kate shepherd novel though.

[AndyDufresne]

Everyone, line up single file for a backmassage-centipede. If you'd like to go further, and join your body to another individual, please get in touch with oneyed, our local cornhole expert.

--Andy

you mask your stupidity for a long time by posting short sentences without any relevant opinion or just pictures. but when you must write something relevant or something without pictures your brain is at the end. it is hard to be angry with you, you must be born such as or anything bad must happen in your life.

Oneyed

I cant work out if you are a genuinely poor communicator (oooooh burn!) or you just don't grasp the English language particularly well. Either way, your post doesn't make any sense.

To be fair, I think English is Oneyed's second or third language. I have no qualms about his communication level, since some of my loved ones have English as a second language and I am learning a language myself.

His opinions, on the other hand,




--Andy

[Oneyed]

I cant work out if you are a genuinely poor communicator (oooooh burn!) or you just don't grasp the English language particularly well. Either way, your post doesn't make any sense.

its joke, yes? Andy Dufresne posted his stupid pictures as answer on my several posts (not just in this topic) and I have communication problems. try a little think before you write something, or take care to find how are things go on.

Oneyed

[Lootifer]

I cant work out if you are a genuinely poor communicator (oooooh burn!) or you just don't grasp the English language particularly well. Either way, your post doesn't make any sense.

its joke, yes? Andy Dufresne posted his stupid pictures as answer on my several posts (not just in this topic) and I have communication problems. try a little think before you write something, or take care to find how are things go on.

Oneyed

The oooooh burn bit was sarcastic/a joke.

He post stupid pictures for a reason.

Lets see if you can figure out why. Spoiler alert: You can't.

[Lord Arioch]

So lets sum this thread up...

1. people that dont like/hate/detest/dont understand/are against homosexuality and traffic lights ...
Hates/dislikes/disrespects
People who are for it/dont care and so on...

2. People who like/dont care about homosexuality and so on ... but are or traffic lights:)
hates/dilikes/disrespects
People who dont like it?

Am i on track?

I dont see the problem... i mean why should i care who anyone is dating? Why is that a concern for me?
And to be frank to both sides there are some wicked ugly chicks out there that i seriously dont know how they get dates ... and the same goes for males!
And the other way around of course, there are some stunning females/males out there ...

Anyhow... whats the problem let people do whatever they want within the legal spectrum.... isnt that better? for all? ANd as long as everyone involved is in on it and no (unwanted) force is used ... i say go for it!

[mrswdk]

So lets sum this thread up...

1. people that dont like/hate/detest/dont understand/are against homosexuality and traffic lights ...
Hates/dislikes/disrespects
People who are for it/dont care and so on...

2. People who like/dont care about homosexuality and so on ... but are or traffic lights:)
hates/dilikes/disrespects
People who dont like it?

Am i on track?

I don't care about homosexuality and am against traffic lights.

#trailblazer

[Lord Arioch]

LoL so says bikenation!

[notyou2]

oneeyed in case you missed it, here it is again


















oneeyed means COCK

[TA1LGUNN3R]

So lets sum this thread up...

1. people that dont like/hate/detest/dont understand/are against homosexuality and traffic lights ...
Hates/dislikes/disrespects
People who are for it/dont care and so on...

2. People who like/dont care about homosexuality and so on ... but are or traffic lights:)
hates/dilikes/disrespects
People who dont like it?

Am i on track?

I dont see the problem... i mean why should i care who anyone is dating? Why is that a concern for me?
And to be frank to both sides there are some wicked ugly chicks out there that i seriously dont know how they get dates ... and the same goes for males!
And the other way around of course, there are some stunning females/males out there ...

Anyhow... whats the problem let people do whatever they want within the legal spectrum.... isnt that better? for all? ANd as long as everyone involved is in on it and no (unwanted) force is used ... i say go for it!

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!!one11!!

-TG