Saudi Arabia more humanitarian than most EU countries

[mrswdk]

Hyperbole

Do you have any substantial points to make, or are you just going to editorialize?

Any sources or data? Anything other than pure opinion?

[subtleknifewield]

Hyperbole

/sarcasm

Well, you said that I must have obviously not read the link. You tell me what to make of that assumption other than that you fancy yourself a clairvoyant? :V

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Get a room

[subtleknifewield]

Get a room

I tried, she insisted on here.

[mrswdk]

Well, you said that I must have obviously not read the link. You tell me what to make of that assumption other than that you fancy yourself a clairvoyant?

Because the link provides compelling evidence that immigration is nothing to worry about and is beneficial to the host economy, and yet still you are in here waffling on about integration, up-front costs and all sorts of vague phrases that you seem completely unable to back up.

Meanwhile, the Saudis are throwing their doors open and pouring money onto the heads of grateful Syrians.

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[subtleknifewield]

Well, you said that I must have obviously not read the link. You tell me what to make of that assumption other than that you fancy yourself a clairvoyant?

Because the link provides compelling evidence that immigration is nothing to worry about and is beneficial to the host economy, and yet still you are in here waffling on about integration, up-front costs and all sorts of vague phrases that you seem completely unable to back up.

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Obviously you are not reading what I am saying, so let me parse it into simple phrases you can understand.

Yes, overall they are a benefit to the economy. In the long run. This was never disputed, as you would learn if you read what I said. But when you get a sudden increase all at once, it does put a temporary strain until they can actually become productive.

I don't know how familiar you are with the process of entering the workforce, but let me spell it out for you. It is not instantaneous--and there is only so much a single country can absorb all at one time.

[waauw]

What the hell are you talking about? Refugees are entitled to healthcare, employment and any right domestic civilians have. The only reason they don't get free education is because not even our citizens get that(not in most EU nations anyway). Most of our countries can't afford that.

wut? So most EU nations (including France, Germany, UK, Belgium, Netherlands etc.) do not provide state education to their citizens?

free education

A whole bunch of studies (e.g. this one) have consistently shown that immigrants contribute more to a national economy than they receive from it in 'benefits'. Immigrants are totally irrelevant to a discussion about whether or not a country has the capacity to take in refugees and asylum seekers.

You're generalizing american studies to the broader world. American migration isn't the same as european migration.

The US economy has steadily flourished in the previous decades precisely because they attract the smartest and the brightest, not to mention many foreign entrepreneurs. Migration is american policy, but it isn't european policy. The difference in government policies and economic environment heavily skews the study results. That's like using a study on Yellowstone transformations and claiming it holds equal value over the Toba caldera.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... -ucl-study

There is a difference between European migrant seeking work and a refugee seeking solice. But its not that great a difference.

The UK has free state eduction.

[mrswdk]

free education

Are you saying that education paid for by taxes is not really free or what? I don't even understand.

In the UK education is totally free up to the age of 18, and my understanding was that it's the same in pretty much all EU countries (except maybe some Eastern ones).

A whole bunch of studies (e.g. this one) have consistently shown that immigrants contribute more to a national economy than they receive from it in 'benefits'. Immigrants are totally irrelevant to a discussion about whether or not a country has the capacity to take in refugees and asylum seekers.

You're generalizing american studies to the broader world. American migration isn't the same as european migration.

Yeah, EU countries have much stricter limits and requirements than the US.

[subtleknifewield]

Well, we ARE a nation of immigrants, sooo...there is that.

[waauw]

Are you saying that education paid for by taxes is not really free or what? I don't even understand.

In the UK education is totally free up to the age of 18, and my understanding was that it's the same in pretty much all EU countries (except maybe some Eastern ones).

Hmmm, thinking about it, you might be right. I was basing myself on my own school history. But since I attended private school, I might have missed something.

[mrswdk]

waauw's house:

[patches70]

I think some of you may be confused on exactly what "free" is.

[subtleknifewield]

I think some of you may be confused on exactly what "free" is.

Then why don't you explain what you believe it means.

[patches70]

I think some of you may be confused on exactly what "free" is.

Then why don't you explain what you believe it means.

As in-

"In the UK education is totally free up to the age of 18, "

which makes me chuckle. The FSA is bad in the US but it's probably a lot worse in Europe. Even the FSA pays, but they are too stupid, shortsighted or ignorant to realize they are paying.

There is no such thing as "free education" except the education that people learn just by living life, but even that has costs all of its own.

But, whatever, the FSA will always be clamoring for more "free" things.

[subtleknifewield]

I think some of you may be confused on exactly what "free" is.

Then why don't you explain what you believe it means.

As in-

"In the UK education is totally free up to the age of 18, "

which makes me chuckle. The FSA is bad in the US but it's probably a lot worse in Europe. Even the FSA pays, but they are too stupid, shortsighted or ignorant to realize they are paying.

There is no such thing as "free education" except the education that people learn just by living life, but even that has costs all of its own.

But, whatever, the FSA will always be clamoring for more "free" things.

I know what you were referencing, I was just asking what you believe free education means. You didn't have to say 'as in'

And yes, I realize free education is not actually free, the taxpayers end up paying the tuition instead, but it means those who have no way to earn can still get an education without paying for it themselves, which means they can get educated a lot sooner in life without as much crippling debt as they would otherwise.

It basically spreads the cost so no one person is overloaded with it.

[subtleknifewield]

An addendum to the above post, it also means those with less means can get it to give them more opportunities in life.