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crispybits wrote:There are issues with the fact that horses, being non-meat animals in the countries with the big scandals, are allowed to be given certain medicinal substances that can persist into their meat after death and potentially cause harm to humans.
crispybits wrote:There are issues with the fact that horses, being non-meat animals in the countries with the big scandals, are allowed to be given certain medicinal substances that can persist into their meat after death and potentially cause harm to humans.
I don't remember the details tho, it was a passing comment in an article I'd read that I'd need to rack my brain even to maybe find with google.
smegal69 wrote:The amount of the drug in the horse meat is that low, you will have to eat the whole horse and then some more
xeno wrote:I don't notice much of a difference between cow and horse anyway. I prefer buffalo, tuna, and deer steaks anyway
smegal69 wrote:why do they use it? because Horse meat is cheaper than the meat they are saying it is....... so they want to make more moneycrispybits wrote:There are issues with the fact that horses, being non-meat animals in the countries with the big scandals, are allowed to be given certain medicinal substances that can persist into their meat after death and potentially cause harm to humans.
I don't remember the details tho, it was a passing comment in an article I'd read that I'd need to rack my brain even to maybe find with google.
The amount of the drug in the horse meat is that low, you will have to eat the whole horse and then some more
AAFitz wrote:I prefer my broccoli, kale and spinach blended up with a banana or a mandarin.
tzor wrote:smegal69 wrote:The amount of the drug in the horse meat is that low, you will have to eat the whole horse and then some more
This may be true, but I can see some people freaking out over this never the less.
stahrgazer wrote:tzor wrote:smegal69 wrote:The amount of the drug in the horse meat is that low, you will have to eat the whole horse and then some more
This may be true, but I can see some people freaking out over this never the less.
Yeah, well, scientists used to think DDT didn't matter because its quantities were low; same with mercury; and other substances; that now they realize is not only toxic to humans in "great" quantity, but does not dissipate so the quantities, and thus the effects, are cumulative.
tzor wrote:Apart from mislabeling (and if you think that is bad I read that mislabeling fish in the United States is massive even as far as high end Sushi restaurants) what is the problem with horse meat?
I can see a problem in the United States, but that is the supply problem; race horses that have outlived their usefulness are being illegally shipped in shoddy conditions across the border to Mexico. But the problem is the conditions and treatment of these animals not the nature of the meat itself. Are similar problems happening in Europe as well?
Lootifer wrote:Two main issues
- Saying something is beef when it is horse meat is false advertising
- The fact they are using horse meat and calling it beef implicitly means they are bypassing (or ignoring) all the health and safety regulations that apply to beef therefore health and safety is being jeopardized
jonesthecurl wrote:Lootifer wrote:Two main issues
- Saying something is beef when it is horse meat is false advertising
- The fact they are using horse meat and calling it beef implicitly means they are bypassing (or ignoring) all the health and safety regulations that apply to beef therefore health and safety is being jeopardized
That's right: also, this is not a case of Tesco, Taco Bell, ikea etc trying to mis-sell horsemeat to the public. This is fraud against them by the suppliers. What chance does a normal citizen stand if these giants can be so easily fooled?
BigBallinStalin wrote:In the US, you can legally cut up horses and sell their meat elsewhere.
Horse meat cannot be sold for human consumption in the United States, Cochran added. "There are currently no establishments in the United States that slaughter horses, and FSIS does not allow imports of horse meat from other countries for human consumption."
Horse meat hasn't always been illegal in the United State. Up until 2005 FSIS regularly inspected horse slaughter plants along with all other types of meat production facilities. Animal rights activists made a major push to stop the sale of horse meat and Congress added an amendment to the Agricultural Appropriations Act taking away funding for the inspection of horses being transported to slaughter.
FSIS then made horse inspection a fee-for-service inspection, just as bison still is. Congress went back and rewrote the law saying no money could be spent at "any inspection of horse slaughter," said Raymond, who at USDA at the time. By 2007 the last three American facilities that slaughtered horses for human consumption were shut down, according to a petition filed with USDA by the Humane Society in 2012.
Today American horses are still slaughtered for food, it just takes place in Mexico and Canada rather than on U.S. soil. The Government Accountability Office found that in 2010 more than 137,000 U.S. horses were sent to Mexico and Canada each year to be slaughtered. That's about as many were slaughtered in the United States before the ban went into effect in 2007, GAO said.
crispybits wrote:There are issues with the fact that horses, being non-meat animals in the countries with the big scandals, are allowed to be given certain medicinal substances that can persist into their meat after death and potentially cause harm to humans.
I don't remember the details tho, it was a passing comment in an article I'd read that I'd need to rack my brain even to maybe find with google.
BigBallinStalin wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:Lootifer wrote:Two main issues
- Saying something is beef when it is horse meat is false advertising
- The fact they are using horse meat and calling it beef implicitly means they are bypassing (or ignoring) all the health and safety regulations that apply to beef therefore health and safety is being jeopardized
That's right: also, this is not a case of Tesco, Taco Bell, ikea etc trying to mis-sell horsemeat to the public. This is fraud against them by the suppliers. What chance does a normal citizen stand if these giants can be so easily fooled?
Um, didn't we just discover this? There's our 'normal citizen' chances. The fraud was revealed.
Then, how do you think these companies' products will fare on the market--compared to their competitors' products which had no horse meat? People are generally free to react accordingly. X-amount of them will seek the products of companies which didn't have horse meat--or maybe they'll continue to buy the same old, same old for various, rational reasons.
I don't see why you're so concerned here.
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